2014-01-07, 17:48 | Link #10461 |
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Not to mention that unless that unless the control scheme is flexible. ALL the pilots in Seed are right handed, because all suits use their right hands to hold their rifles and use it as their primary melee arm, while the shield is always the left hand.
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2014-01-07, 19:27 | Link #10462 | |
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We have no idea how the control scheme works, but I think you underestimate how poor your motor functions on your off hand are. Consider this: Most people can't WRITE with their off hand.
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2014-01-07, 19:59 | Link #10463 | |
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2014-01-07, 22:45 | Link #10464 | |
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A tie is like kissing your sister...
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Still, Athrun has never lost in Seed mode.
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2014-01-07, 23:46 | Link #10467 |
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Well, for one, Kira's Gundam still had power and Kira had done damage with only a single saber that Athrun's Gundam required three sabers to do in kind. Athrun drained all of his suit's power and failed to destroy the Strike, and was forced to self-destruct the Aegis to end the battle.
So the Aegis was in tiny pieces for the most part, whereas Kira's mobile suit was almost entirely intact, sans one arm. On top of that, Kira survived. Athrun's entire personal objective was to kill Kira, and he failed to accomplish that goal. At most, he succeeded in incapacitating Kira, and he had to destroy his weaponry to do that and still failed to truly destroy his opponent. That's not much of a tie. That's pretty much a loss no matter what way you look at it with all of the details. Athrun could only see it as a victory because he was unaware that Kira survived, and unaware that the Strike mostly survived at that.
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2014-01-08, 00:23 | Link #10468 |
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They were both trying to kill each other. They both failed.
Both mobile suits were incapable of continuing the fight. It's a stalemate. Athrun didn't use anything that wasn't available to Kira and vice versa. Kira was saving up energy because he wanted to. No one forced him to. In the end of the day the two went at it with every intent of killing each other, they both came out unsuccessful, with totaled mobile suits and medical bills. It really is about as even a fight as you could possibly get. |
2014-01-08, 00:42 | Link #10469 |
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Both suits incapable, yes, but only one of them was actually destroyed. Unless both were destroyed, I equate the loss of a mobile suit--the physical destruction of a mobile suit--as a definitive win for the one that survived.
The Strike survived. The Aegis did not.
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2014-01-08, 01:41 | Link #10470 |
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But on the other hand, Athrun escaped with minor injury. Kira was severely messed up and would have certainly died without the intervention of Lowe and Malchio.
Athrun was picked up by Orb, but even if he hadn't he still only had a broken arm from the ideal and could have radioed to Zaft for assitance. |
2014-01-08, 01:56 | Link #10471 | |
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Hell, in a Gouf lost a leg before electric whipping a mobile suit enough times to knock out the pilot in his cockpit would have LOST the fight by your definition! What do you make of Shinn vs. Kira? Shinn lost like 3 Impulses in that fight, Kira only lost one Freedom. Did Kira "win" that? |
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2014-01-08, 02:04 | Link #10472 | ||
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For the record, no, I do not think Shinn lost that fight. He won. Wrecked parts aside, he still had a functional mobile suit left over from the fight. Kira didn't--the Freedom was destroyed. They had to dumb Kira down (and I'm not talking about his distraction) to do so, but it was Shinn's victory nonetheless.
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2014-01-08, 05:29 | Link #10473 | |||
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And Athrun only used two beam sabers, which both managed to hit Strike. Either way, using leg sabers are impractical, since it's slower and less coordinated than arms, less articulated, less maneuverable, you'd be more prone to overextend yourself when kicking, and dual-"legging" them is just silly since you can't overlap them unlike with dual-wielding with your hands. The Infinite Justice's MG manual even states that only a very small number of pilots can effectively use leg sabers and Athrun is one of them. |
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2014-01-08, 06:42 | Link #10474 | |
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-> look at his fight against Athrun in Aegis err I mean Saviour -> Kira used dual-wield (He didn't start using it because Shin force him) 2- at end of day: it's boxer example-> Athrun lost his stamina after first 6 rounds = easy win for kira since he still have some power in strike pack and can fight without it unlike Athrun -> so he just self-destruction ____ And didn't Athrun used his Seed mode same as Shin in Destiny? (rage at Shin stupidity from his pov) Last edited by Gundamx; 2014-01-08 at 10:24. |
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2014-01-08, 07:12 | Link #10475 | |
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Uhmm, Kira's go-to weapon in close-combat has always been a single beam saber, that didn't really change much when he started piloting Strike Freedom. Your second point is a bit nonsensical. Athrun never lost his stamina. What are you talking about? |
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2014-01-08, 10:03 | Link #10476 |
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To summarize the various duels (all the pilots survived, obviously):
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2014-01-08, 10:04 | Link #10477 | |||
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Otherwise, yes. Accurate list. |
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2014-01-08, 10:29 | Link #10478 | |
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Kira used dual saber And I really don't like how ->Huh? I used all my MS power while enemy still have it? Self-destruction button = so I win! |
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