2012-09-14, 17:09 | Link #10501 | |
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2012-09-14, 17:26 | Link #10502 | |
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2012-09-14, 18:12 | Link #10503 |
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Spoiler for spoiler:
As Zenkichi himself states here, Anshin-san's interest is to make things more entertaining, so she won't go all out. However, I won't be surprised at all if my thoughts turn true and that demonic entity is a manifestation of all the darkness of the Kurokami clan itself. |
2012-09-14, 18:38 | Link #10505 |
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In my opinion, even then, It's just a double-edged sword.
Maybe she can eliminate that guy in a blink. And if she can, why should we be invested in him as a threat if Anshin' can suddenly decide to intervene on a whim? After all, that's what her feelings for Zenkichi, whatever they are, caused in the Black Wedding. |
2012-09-14, 18:39 | Link #10506 |
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@Kaisos Erranon Really? It seems like he's making a sideward glance towards Ajimu. And I can't really recall any instances where Zenkichi isn't the narrator(unless of course, he's not around). I'm sure there are examples though.
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2012-09-14, 18:40 | Link #10507 | |
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Overpowered god characters make great villains but terrible heroes. The end of the Flask Plan Arc, when everyone but Kikaijima was unconscious, is the last time I remember that kind of narration. Either way, it knows things Zenkichi wouldn't, so it can't be him. |
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2012-09-14, 18:47 | Link #10508 |
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I actually think it would've been fine, if only Nishio hadn't removed any and all ambiguity that Ajimu was omnipotent. I mean, didn't she say that she couldn't replicate Zenkichi's Maestro styled nature? Hence no one would get a 200% performance boost from being around her?
She was obviously bullshiting us then, as we know now. |
2012-09-14, 19:31 | Link #10509 | |
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In any case, Ajimu was stated to be omnipotent/omniscient, but what about her specifically gives her those abilities? Presumably if it's her status as a Not Equal, then because there are other Not Equals (i.e. Hanten) it should be clear that from a long time ago there's been the possibility of other characters being strong enough to challenge her. Assume that devil guy is the counterpart to Hanten (blatantly hinted at and foreshadowed). Is it really so ridiculous then to consider he could give Ajimu some trouble? It's not even like Ajimu's saying that she herself would be in any trouble, just that 15 seconds is her limit to protect the other characters present. |
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2012-09-14, 20:04 | Link #10510 | |
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What a "Not Equal" is remains completely undefined; the term has been used to describe both beings that are "parts" of Ajimu, (the candidates), beings that have Skills granted to them by Ajimu (Aka), and "beings that transcend humanity" (so far only Ajimu and Hanten). Regardless of whether or not there are other Not Equals as powerful as Ajimu, one has to question why she simply can't, for example, use her Teleportation Skill to warp Iihiko into deep space and her Gravity Control Skill to crush him into a black hole. He might recover from that relatively quickly depending on how powerful he is, but his level of power should have nothing to do with how long Ajimu can stall him for; the Skill she has that we already know about should be more than enough to occupy him for longer than 15 seconds. Only thing I can think of is if he's immune to all her Skills somehow, but that raises an interesting question: If Ajimu's entire character drama prior to the ending of her arc was about "trying to find something impossible", and assuming she is omniscient as the narration claims she is, why hasn't she tried to defeat Iihiko before now, assuming she cannot, in fact, beat him? |
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2012-09-14, 20:08 | Link #10511 |
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Actually, you're thinking of it backwards:
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Ajimu said Medaka could do it, and that she herself couldn't. So, yea. Bullshit. ~~ I would say that saying it's simply because she is a Not-Equal is rather premature. Maybe it's just her number of abilities. After all, she has more than billions, Hanten has just one. A very special one, but just one that we know of. And if that was so, saying she is all-powerful is equally just as bullshit, since if she is not above everyone else, then by definition she is not all-powerful. So, if we take the narrator's words at face value, the inclusion of this demon guy is, well, just plain illogical and if she can blink that guy out easily, just a double-edged sword. |
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2012-09-15, 00:38 | Link #10514 |
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Out of curiosity, do we know if the the narrator is a third person omniscient objective perspective type?
Or would it be closer to maybe somebody like Zen narrating? (Like, not Zen himself narrating. In other words, a human/character in the story itself)
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2012-09-15, 01:58 | Link #10515 | ||
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There are times in the story when a third person omniscient perspective pops up. Like for example the time when Kumagawa was gonna die. Although the tone of voice doesn't really rule out the possibility of some actual character narrating, for now I would actually lean towards the "Ajimu is all-powerful and all-knowing" narrator being in the third person.
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The way that Ajimu speaks in this quote, it clearly implies that there are certain tasks or certain periods of time where Ajimu believes/experiences that something is impossible for her. It's only sometime afterwards that somehow, seemingly effortlessly, Ajimu discovers that the previously impossible task is now simple and easy for her (no doubt probably because she unexpectedly generated a specific skill for it). The point is that Ajimu's "all-powerful" status doesn't really imply that she's completely undefeatable right now. Rather that, due to her Not Equals nature, it is inevitable that she will eventually overcome any fictional impossibility. As for Ajimu's omniscience, the manga pretty much already specifically said that Ajimu doesn't use it. It would be like flipping through a manga straight to the answer of a mystery. Which, since Ajimu knows Medaka Box is a manga, of course she would be able to do. But she chooses not to because she wants to actually feel involved in her life and the story. Quote:
Ajimu is All-powerful in that there is nothing which is impossible for her (more specifically, nothing which will stay impossible for her). However, that does not rule out the possibility of Ajimu being momentarily challenged by forces beyond what she had ever even remotely encountered before. Are we actually even supposed to be scared by Iihiko? I dunno. There isn't even any guarantee right now that he is actually hostile or a threat to Medaka's party. For one thing, after all, supposedly Hanten has at least successfully containing /restraining Iihiko after all for what must've been many years. What I think Iihiko's unstoppable portrayal is really supposed to represent is just to give us an awareness of Medaka Box's universe and cosmology--that yes, there are incredible beings out there who might be equal to the Not Equals; that they might even be their counterparts or opposites, and are the main concern of the Shiranui. |
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2012-09-18, 15:20 | Link #10519 |
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WELP.
That means one of two things: either Ajimu is not as powerful as we were led to believe, or it's time to drop this manga. Edit: Just read the spoilers. Nisio just retconned the entire point of Ajimu's character, and we're going full DBZ with the horribly extreme escalation of powerlevels. Yep, it's time to drop this manga. It was a nice read for a while, too bad Nisio decided to be retarded. He broke my trust in him, and I don't feel like reading anything of his ever again. |
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