2008-08-13, 13:54 | Link #1043 | |
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Nah, I don't think I will use this for Nightfall.
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For heroines, not for grunts!
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2008-08-13, 18:22 | Link #1044 |
Sleep beneath the flowers
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All I say is BetrayerS looks like it'll have lots of good action...
But I'm not expecting much plot-wise. At least from the teasers I can't possibly imagine why the break up would happen... Or at the very least why Fate wouldn't come with Nanoha and Hayate considering how close the trio is. Sounds more like the manga has a flimsy reason to split up canon characters for the pure purpose of HOTBLOODED AWESOME combat
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2008-08-13, 19:01 | Link #1045 | |
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At least I do. Man, that reminds me, wasn't there a picture of Hayate acting like the "Fuhrer" or something on the image thread, someone has got dig it out.
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2008-08-13, 20:49 | Link #1049 | ||
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This will be one helluva a dark extension. Those of us who damned Alpha might be eating our words over this (I'm not immune too...), but clearly this is no longer a Mahou Shoujo type story, but a Real Mahou Shoujo type. The only difference may well be that we have all the angst, but only a bit of militarism, for Hayate to lead a coup'd'atat and succeed, many many miltakus cried out in unison then were quickly silenced forever.
So... Should we throw ourselves fully and wholehearted at this? I don't know. Barring jokes, I'm personally skeptical about this. But yes, cosmic horrors are not needed for drama. If anything, they are only for Battle of Helmsdeep; it's the political intrigue and angst that make a work readable I understand that. But at the same time, remember what genre we're in. Too much intrigue, and we'll lose the flavor. Just like having too much horrors will spoil the broth too. I advocate balance, and I'm not sure if BetrayerS will be balanced. It would be a great Shounen manga, but I'm not sure if that's what we want Nanoha to be. Quote:
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Hey, notice that we now have Yagami Hayate as the God of the New World and possesses a powerful Book capable of erasing her foes. Sky Note much? XD
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2008-08-14, 03:31 | Link #1050 | |||
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2008-08-14, 04:27 | Link #1051 | ||||||
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Fate: Snap out of it, Nanoha-chan!! Hayate-chan!! Was this the justice, the happiness you fought for!? Hayate: NO! NO IT WAS NOT!! Hayate: We fought fruitlessly, they killed millions...while we saved no one. Hayate: But with small sacrifices, we now have the power to save millions. Hayate: We tried to be decent soldier in indecent times! We failed! Not just ourselves, but those we swore to protect!! This is the kind of drama that this kind of scenario can deliver. As pointed by Nighty, the parallel with Gil Graham, another officer and leading figure who has chosen a necessary evil as solution to one problem is interesting. Quote:
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2008-08-14, 04:44 | Link #1052 | ||||||
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Depending on the outcome I'm either gonna like it or hate it... ...but I always favor the rebels in most scenarios. Fate getting defeated will be as sad as Black Knights' ownage in S1. Quote:
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I remember when the last time I proposed something like a coup'de'atat, I got gloriously gunned down. And so, from that perspective, this scenario is completely Khrack. The sheer silence from those miltaku is annoying me. Where's the flames? Where's the blazing gunfire they are so fond of? This silence is hypocracy. It's annoying politics, just because of the author alone we throw flowers at him like the audience to a Spanish bullfighter, or burn him at the stake. Quote:
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2008-08-14, 05:14 | Link #1053 | ||
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Maybe in BetrayerSverse, the spectres can be more homage to their origins. :3 Quote:
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2008-08-14, 05:38 | Link #1054 | |
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Has you seen Goose and tk in IRC yesterday? Even in the forums? Has you not noticed that ATC was too busy doing things like actually writing his own crack instead of theorycrafting and getting shot for his crack? And last time I checked, I was certain that khrack was mostly 40k refs and theorized VN-like endings that has made a couple of people facepalm. I go back to my point that is, please do not throw hasty accusations against the other party when you are not even certain they knew about this doujin. |
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2008-08-14, 06:05 | Link #1055 |
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Yes its easy to throw accusations, but I'm just as ready to take the fight back to them. But what I raised was supposed to be a what-if.
My main point of doing this is to be the voice of reason. We're all giving it accolades according to the author not according to the work. I'm saying we should wait for Comiket before we decide for sure, "Yes this is what Nanoha StrikerS should be." For I do not want a repeat of the disaster in the OC thread. What I see in my mind: We all love it, and when Comiket comes and goes we love it according to herd mentality and miss that maybe its out-of-canon in tone. Things go along fine, we can and will grow stories according to it, then the miltaku finally wake up and bang, shit happens in the thread again. I do not want that, and hence I'm acting preemptively while it can be still contained. At the same time, I'm not advocating the miltaku view; I merely expressing caution because these discussions are getting a little unbalanced. I do want to be proven wrong, and I expect to be, but to keep our eyes on the big picture, I had to say this. Also, I find it sad that many authors are not given a chance, while the few with better creds are greeted with more anticipation and larger tolerance for bullshit simply because they know how to package it better. It's so damn obvious in the OC thread, and I swear it wasn't like that before. That is what I really find hypocritic, and I wanted to take this chance to bring it out into the open, and hopefully fix it. I know I'm going to ruffle many feathers, but I've always stuck my neck out for silly stuff, doing it for something serious is no biggie. Hence why I side the rebels, because I am a natural revolutionary.
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2008-08-14, 06:30 | Link #1056 |
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You talk about 'acting preemptively while it can be still contained.' and yet all this is is flamebait. This doujin has nothing to do with the OC-thread, and while it may serve to inspire us to take more risks, gamble a bit and throw things in a blender, there is no reason to turn that into a 'who is right' debate, especially in a thread that is clearly not the OC-thread.
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2008-08-14, 06:51 | Link #1057 |
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I am writing! A prologue + first chapter. Right now I am at what? 5.6 words and it is not over yet. I am torn between the slacker who want to get things done already and the perfectionnist who want to make sure that the protagonists has been shown all cards in their hand, so the further developments of the story doesn't feel pulled off a top hat. I am not even satisfied with the dialogues, but I'll see that with the beta readers when I'll be done... Maybe this week-end?
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2008-08-14, 07:11 | Link #1058 |
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Ahahaha... It's been a while since we were gloriously "off-topic, Nanoha-style" ne?
I've made my point, so my job here is done. Though I wish I weren't so busy; my fic portfolio sorely needs a long-stalled overhaul, and the OC Vault Zwei renovations have gotten no further than a ground-breaking ceremony. :/
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2008-08-14, 09:04 | Link #1059 | |
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Since the doujinshi's focus IS to get AWESOME BATTLES OF EPIC... You can ignore the fact the plot is REALLY weak and makes little to no sense from how I view it Shouldn't go encouraging people to think you can write ANYTHING without some kind of plot though. But just that sometimes the plot can be sacrificed, partciularly if it's a one-shot or something?
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2008-08-14, 10:01 | Link #1060 |
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A thought on why Nanoha had chosen to side Hayate and the "lesser of two evils"...
Vivio. If the new rule can give her beloved daughter a safer, better world to live in, would Takamachi Nanoha, the Ace of Aces and also the loving mother of a young child, throw this chance away for an old regime that could have been proven to be no longer enough to protect the world that she so deeply loves? Such a person can no longer be afforded to be burdened down by the ideals of the crumbling past, especially when a greater weight is now placed on her shoulders, her future and her daughter's future. Note that we are now using our "Orator" way of talking .
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