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37? Did you mean 7? The 3 Aces, Subaru, Tea, Vivio, and Jail Statics, since always, has been used to estimate popularity, among many other things. Quote:
Otherwise it would be like releasing a new cellphone to compete with another company, and start counting the market contribution from the date you released your last model, ignoring that the competency already has 2.000.000 of faithful clients. Quote:
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So it's not like "the people who doesn't buy X magazine don't count on their polls!", because the whole population is estimated with an error usually less than 5% considering that the distribution of relevant properties of the taken sample is representative. In our case "drawing" doesn't has a slant towards Fate, Nanoha, or any other properties. For more information you can read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_(statistics) Cuídense y sigan sonriendo |
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2008-10-14, 14:46 | Link #1042 |
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Screw your statistics! GIMME MY VOTE!
*Comartemis Falcon Punches Haru for missing the point* I don't care about "representative samples", you're excluding a huge portion of the fanbase by only counting people who draw. Exactly how many people do you think we have on AS who actually draw their own fanart? Somewhere between 2 and 5, probably, out of several dozen members frequenting the forums on a regular basis. Imagine a presidential election where the only people who vote are people who belong to or actively participate in the Democratic or Republican parties; you're missing out on all the votes from the Independents!
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I'll not teach statics here, so if you don't want to trust in my estimations you're free to do it, but I can guarantee that I have the enough knowledge to do it correctly and I'm conscious that I didn't make any mistake on prupose. Also, Captain Falcon is my main at Brawl, so your Falcon Punch got Kneed back! Cuídense y sigan sonriendo |
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2008-10-14, 15:23 | Link #1045 | |
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And 'most people only watch the anime' does not lessen the canonicity of the Sound Stages. As I said, information from the A's Sound Stages was used in StrikerS, so information from the StrikerS Sound Stages will surely be used in a fourth season. Quote:
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Begging your pardon if I take Nanoha, Vivio's mother and Fate's closest friend/lover, blatantly agreeing to the description of 'Fate is more like an older sister now' quite literally. I do expect her to be close enough to her own daughter and closest friend/lover to recognize and accurately label such a relationship. Quote:
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I sincerely hope you're not serious about this Haru. If you are, I am losing hope of ever being able to properly discuss editing and scriptwriting with you, as so far you have shown zero skill in the subject. Quote:
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If you want to know how well a product sells now you check the sales charts of this month, and compare the products. Depending on the product this may or may not be an accurate choice, so lets take CD's and discard downloads for a moment. If a band that has been a rage four years ago (Nanoha and Fate) releases a record the same time as a new band (Erio and Caro) then you check the sales of those two bands, but you do not count the old records of the older band. After all, this new record is what counts now as it is new and more comparative to the record of the new band. Quote:
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Say these statistics were to be reality. In the case of NanoFate, artists are only one group. Another group would be fans of the series. Another group fans of the genre, but not the show in particular. Another group people who have never watched the show. And so on and so on. Your statistics only show how many artists are interested in what character, and even that is subject to debate as I earlier pointed out. Hence, it is not an accurate statistic of popularity as a whole. Last edited by Keroko; 2008-10-14 at 15:56. |
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2008-10-14, 16:22 | Link #1047 |
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BP, one aspect of statistics is that the population from which you draw a sample needs to be representative of the whole population for the statistics derived from that sample to have any validity whatsoever.
One thing that I've learned is that, for anime fandom, that "representative population" doesn't exist. There's a hell of a lot of fans out there, and it's very difficult to interpret more than "a lot of fans like x" from "I see a lot of x". That's especially dangerous with fan art, because you're getting a lot of Japanese opinions - there's an awful lot of Japanese fan artists and not that many American ones. But in practically every other form of expression, you're unable to interpret what the Japanese are talking about, 'cause even if you can read Japanese, you certainly don't do it casually, and that's going to limit your exposure to the Japanese equivalents of Asuki. ;p So as it pertains to fan art, taking a sample of fan art topics and generalizing that as to general popularity of those topics is going to fail miserably, because the Japanese population is massively over-represented in the fan art pool. That is, of course, unless you're specifically interested in Japanese opinion, but then you also have to deal with Japanese views towards lesbianism in general, which is mainly that it's something that a girl might dabble in before getting serious and finding a guy later in life. In other words, if you're trying to argue that Nanoha and Fate should form an exclusive matrimonial union, you really don't wanna go look at the Japanese opinion... |
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Considering Nanoha is talking about Fate 'distancing herself as a mother' and not 'going away for work' I do wonder just how you got to that conclusion? Quote:
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"Yeah, you're right, that was my mistake. Popularity level is directly proportional to how much importance the people give to the characters, but there are other factors too, for example an episodic antagonist character with a controversial role may get the attention of the people and they would want what happens with him even if they like other characters way more. So not being popular != people don't care about them, my mistake." Your words, directly copied from the last page. No it isn't, those numbers will vary per character per drawing with zero control. This makes using artists completely unreliable as they have an unknown number of motivators that aren't being counted. Quote:
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It's good that you mention that, but no, I didn't stated it as a fact, that's one of the many possible interpretations. Quote:
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2008-10-14, 18:25 | Link #1052 |
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... It's nothing personal but this has really been bugging me. You keep on saying that it's one of many possible interpretations but you've never once stated (and I mean in this discussion not in the past) what those interpretations are, Keroko has stated his position but we don't know what these many interpretations you keep talking about are. Please tell it and back up that interpretation.
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2008-10-14, 18:34 | Link #1054 |
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Oh, well, if it's Caro and Elio being unpopular, that's different...
...well, not from the statistics angle. (For one thing, why would you assume a Gaussian distribution? What's the null hypothesis, anyway?) To put it bluntly, I'd want to listen to the original material as far as the sound stages are concerned, or at least to have it translated by someone I trusted, before I'd go too far into reading things into small comments made therein. Not trying to insult the original translator, but this stuff is hard, and small differences in interpretation can occur even among good translators. (There are, after all, more than a few of those between the fansubs of the original series and A's and the official version! ;p) |
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... I don't want numbers I'd like you to state what interpretations you keep mentioning. |
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2008-10-14, 18:44 | Link #1056 | |
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http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=1049 2 more: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=1046 And here's another: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=1039 Cuídate y sigue sonriendo |
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BPHaru: Please act as though I were a 5 year old child and spell it out for me, in your own words or at least quote Keroko's because I cannot see the different interpretations and you still have not stated where you stand. |
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I mean, I'm still slightly unnerved by how he and VT actually liked Dedication. Although there was much lulz to behold Ah, NanoFate. Serious Business. :eyeroll: NanoFate has its merits but it's ridiculous to see NanoFate in S1 and A's when the theme of both is friendship. Now the yuri potential is undeniable, but that's all there is, potential. It's the difference between, say, Misae and her brother in Kaze no Stigma and Kyoshiro and Nanoka in Koi Kaze; in the former we have potential :incest:, in the second we have full blown blood related incest. Both cases it's got romantic undertones and all~ Now, in my khracked up take on Tempest's Gospel, I've got NanoNolandFate planned Of course that's if Tempest doesn't kill me first
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