(L+CR) Black Bullet

[Tenzen12]

You still don't get it. It is not that kind of society in first place, hating CC is common but it's NOT norm. Maybe in your fanfiction world.

[Dengar]

Right, and next you'll be saying that there are people other than our main characters who don't treat the cursed children like trash.

And then you'll be saying that noncommissioned cursed children don't live in poverty.

And THEN you'll be saying that cursed children aren't dumped in some kind of ghetto.

Oh, and maybe cursed children are actually able to go to school normally.


Really, if you're going to make outrageous claims like that, you'd better back it up with something. Just saying "you're delusional" doesn't make you right. Nor does behavior like that give off a good impression.

[dark44]

cursed children die before reach adulthood that mean 15 years and there is no cure for them and they live only this 14 years in suffer like trash so why cant they detect if they are infected infants or not and if they are infected they make abortion early if not the countery should take responsibilty of them colleect them in orphange or something

[bakato]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Right, and next you'll be saying that there are people other than our main characters who don't treat the cursed children like trash.

And then you'll be saying that noncommissioned cursed children don't live in poverty.

And THEN you'll be saying that cursed children aren't dumped in some kind of ghetto.

Oh, and maybe cursed children are actually able to go to school normally.


Really, if you're going to make outrageous claims like that, you'd better back it up with something. Just saying "you're delusional" doesn't make you right. Nor does behavior like that give off a good impression.

Well, there are and we've seen them. Remember that old man who was hiding Enju when she ran away.

Also, we're not sympathizing with cursed children because they're cute girls. Although that does help. We're sympathizing with them because they're children who never had a fair chance at life without even knowing why.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Right, and next you'll be saying that there are people other than our main characters who don't treat the cursed children like trash.

Yep they are. I recommend you rewatch this show. And main characters

And then you'll be saying that noncommissioned cursed children don't live in poverty.

Oh there is plenty who are, your point

Throwed out children come together on outskirt, but there no rule


And THEN you'll be saying that cursed children aren't dumped in some kind of ghetto.

I said it's common, but it's obviously not norm. Gastrea wars happened ten years ago, every single adult lived in world without gastreas before. You can't change humans view of morality without massive propaganda. Cursed children are shruged because they are feared not cause it is "normal".

Oh, and maybe cursed children are actually able to go to school normally.

They are, if you didn't noticed Enju was attending school for while and will continue in different school. There is no law that would forbid them for doing so.

Really, if you're going to make outrageous claims like that, you'd better back it up with something. Just saying "you're delusional" doesn't make you right. Nor does behavior like that give off a good impression.

And if YOU want write fanfiction do better job.

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Right, and next you'll be saying that there are people other than our main characters who don't treat the cursed children like trash.

Yep they are. I recommend you rewatch this show. And main characters might be oddballs but noone ever questioned their stand in CC question. On top of that as we speaking laws protecting CC rights are preparing, which means it is big actual issue not something ingrained.

And then you'll be saying that noncommissioned cursed children don't live in poverty.

Oh there is plenty who are, your point

Throwed out children come together on outskirt, but there no rule


And THEN you'll be saying that cursed children aren't dumped in some kind of ghetto.

I said it's common, but it's obviously not norm. Gastrea wars happened ten years ago, every single adult lived in world without gastreas before. You can't change humans view of morality without massive propaganda. Cursed children are shruged because they are feared not cause it is "normal".

Oh, and maybe cursed children are actually able to go to school normally.

They are, if you didn't noticed Enju was attending school for while and will continue in different school. There is no law that would forbid them for doing so. As you could notice real problem is that public health and probably also education are paid, kids without money thus can't attend regardles of reasons their origin.

Really, if you're going to make outrageous claims like that, you'd better back it up with something. Just saying "you're delusional" doesn't make you right. Nor does behavior like that give off a good impression.

And if YOU want write fanfiction do better job.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Dengar

It's supposed to put it into perspective. Zeroing in the fact that the victims are young girls kind of carries the unfortunate implication that it is a far worse crime than doing the same thing to adult males in otherwise identical circumstances. Not to mention if they were ugly insect-human hybrids.

Gender (or looks) aside, I feel, quite strongly, that an evil perpetrated against a child is indeed much worse than the same evil against an adult. I'm unrepentant and unashamed, and I don't think I'm alone.

This, as well as the fact that the problem is more with society itself.

So they're terrible people from a terrible society. I don't see why that should buy them any forgiveness when they're so far gone. And I'll note, as horribly as Cursed Children are treated, it still takes a special kind of jerk to shoot them on sight.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Gender (or looks) aside, I feel, quite strongly, that an evil perpetrated against a child is indeed much worse than the same evil against an adult. I'm unrepentant and unashamed, and I don't think I'm alone.

No, I do not think you are alone either. But I never claimed you are. I do however, not understand how you think. One life is worth more than another? In both cases, a person is abused. Why would you rank people in terms of "how ok it is to abuse them"? People shouldn't be abused no matter who they are, is what I think.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

So they're terrible people from a terrible society. I don't see why that should buy them any forgiveness when they're so far gone. And I'll not, as horribly as Cursed Children are treated, it still takes a special kind of jerk to shoot them on sight.

Do you think that the world can be neatly divided into "They are the worst scum that exists" and "They should be forgiven"? I never said anything about forgiveness. I honestly don't understand. Why do people constantly keep instantly assuming I'm at the other extreme when I never said anything of the sort?

[BetoJR]

You guys need looser shorts. Just saying.

[Dengar]

I... can't really argue that. But it's very frustrating when you say one thing and another person hears something entirely different...somehow.

[Xero8420]

Just keep calm and watch the show. You're expecting too much. People complaining are usually those with high expectations. Besides, we don't bother to complain why cursed children are cute lolis because, you know... it's Japan. They have a soft spot on cute little girls these days.

You sounded like you're saying that the author did a poor job, while you think that you know better and can do better than that. Sorry to offend you, but you seem to sound more condescending than the author.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Dengar

No, I do not think you are alone either. But I never claimed you are. I do however, not understand how you think. One life is worth more than another? In both cases, a person is abused. Why would you rank people in terms of "how ok it is to abuse them"? People shouldn't be abused no matter who they are, is what I think.


Do you think that the world can be neatly divided into "They are the worst scum that exists" and "They should be forgiven"? I never said anything about forgiveness. I honestly don't understand. Why do people constantly keep instantly assuming I'm at the other extreme when I never said anything of the sort?

And amusingly enough, in the very previous paragraph, you were the talking like there aren't degrees of evil.

Of course you shouldn't do it to anybody. But doing it to children - who had fewer choices in their circumstances - is worse. And someone who kills them for laughs is infinitely harder to rehabilitate than someone who steals for a living.

[Dengar]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

And amusingly enough, in the very previous paragraph, you were the talking like there aren't degrees of evil.

I was? O_o Either I worded something wrongly then or you interpreted something wrongly, or somewhere inbetween.

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Of course you shouldn't do it to anybody. But doing it to children - who had fewer choices in their circumstances - is worse. And someone who kills them for laughs is infinitely harder to rehabilitate than someone who steals for a living.

Well lets just say I'm glad you bring up the rehabilitation thing.

And in this particular case, the gleefulness of those people does bring their sanity in question. Which is what I find rather problematic. The scene isn't portrayed very realistically. The culprits are portrayed as completely irredeemable jackasses. And also the girl was for some reason not fighting back, which doesn't really make sense either. Unless she was severely malnourished or something, in which case it makes a little bit more sense. Either way, the whole thing just gave off the vibe of a random hate crime rather than an example of dystopia, which it was supposed to be.

Originally Posted by Xero8420

You sounded like you're saying that the author did a poor job, while you think that you know better and can do better than that. Sorry to offend you, but you seem to sound more condescending than the author.

I never asked you or anyone else to agree with me. The fuck's your problem? Or am I suddenly no longer allowed to share my feelings on something on a public forum? You're also implying that my criticism applies to the show as a whole. Which wouldn't even make any sense. Why would I even be watching it if I hated the whole thing?

[BetoJR]

Originally Posted by Dengar

And in this particular case, the gleefulness of those people does bring their sanity in question. Which is what I find rather problematic. The scene isn't portrayed very realistically. The culprits are portrayed as completely irredeemable jackasses. And also the girl was for some reason not fighting back, which doesn't really make sense either. Unless she was severely malnourished or something, in which case it makes a little bit more sense. Either way, the whole thing just gave off the vibe of a random hate crime rather than an example of dystopia, which it was supposed to be.

Eh, even in a dystopia, that was clearly a hate crime. The cursed children are hated and feared. I mean, wasn't it obvious?

[Dark Paladin X]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

They are, if you didn't noticed Enju was attending school for while and will continue in different school. There is no law that would forbid them for doing so. As you could notice real problem is that public health and probably also education are paid, kids without money thus can't attend regardles of reasons their origin.

Keep in note that schools also have the right to deny education to cursed children due to the sheer hatred towards the cursed children. Apparently, this is one of the many reasons why Rentaro told Enju to keep her status as a cursed child as a secret.

Also note that Enju is one of the few cursed children to have better lives than many of the cursed children in the world, mainly because she's working as Initiator. She's even luckier that she's paired with a Promotor that serves a big-brother type figure to her and have that kind of instinct (as well as Rentaro agreeing with Seitenshi's goals for equal rights of the cursed children). Most Promotors usually see their Initiators as tools or trash (as evident with Shougen and Ayn Rand). If Enju was to be paired with someone else, she would have been physically abused, tortured, raped, etc.

Thus being said, it is possible to have a "Little Rock Nine" scenario where Enju and Tina attends school publicly as cursed children under Seitenshi's orders with an armed escort. After all, one of the reasons Enju was hesitant in transferring schools is because she made may friends in her former school and want to protect them.

Originally Posted by BetoJR

Eh, even in a dystopia, that was clearly a hate crime. The cursed children are hated and feared. I mean, wasn't it obvious?

Spoiler for racism on the cursed children:

Keep in note that the cursed children have the potential to turn in a Gastrea anytime, this is especially true when they work as Initiators. However, most of the blind hatred and racism on cursed children is mainly due to the fact that many of the people who survived the Gastrea war 10 years ago had relatives killed by the Gastrea or turned into one, and the hatred spread into the next generation.

I think a lot of people may compare the discrimination of cursed children with the Jim Crow laws where the cursed children are forced into a segregated society. However, the discrimination of cursed children is a larger allusion to the strong racism in Japan. In particular, the author looks into how racism is wrong and how hatred towards a particular race (the cursed children) can make humanity as monsters. Japan is known to be a very racist society, particularly against other Asians like the Chinese and Koreans where Japan conquered Korea and China during the Imperial Japanese era (and yes, Imperial Japan did commit numerous atrocities against the native population, not just trying to destroy their culture). Zainichi Koreans (Koreans born in Japan) are normally denied job opportunities and are often hated in society despite Japan lacking any segregation laws like United States did in the past. At best, foreigners usually face positive stereotypes in Japan while at worst, ethnic minorities are simply unable to fit into society and get completely isolated and hate at.

So yeah, you can easily compare the discrimination of cursed children to the Jim Crow laws prior to the 1950s-1960s AND racism in modern Japan. I could say, politically speaking, Black Bullet is very left-wing leaning (as opposed to Mahouka, which is an objectivist work and more right-wing leaning).

[Guido]

Episode 05.

After the whole ordeal with Kagetane, it was a nice touch to see a bit of change in mood and pace. Watching those everyday life moments between Enju and Rentaro made me to forget the hostile environment and threat that the Gastrea continously pose.

Every little moment became priceless.
1. Rentaro meeting up with half-asleep Tina in her pajamas and slippers.
2. Kisara vs Miori catfight at Rentaro's apartment was just too plain hilarious.

However, those itsy-bitsy, cute moments still cannot help to hide undercover the ugliness of that world's universe. We're introduced to power-hungry factions in the likes of Saitake that are taking advantage of the Gastrea crisis in order to emerge as the next political power in the world's srage.
Basically, Saitake plans to unify all five Japanese area into a single nation in order to have Japan emerge first as a rising superpower above the other countries.

Then, we have the other countries supporting the other Japanese areas in exchange for Varanium, which Japan produces it in abundance. And, they're sending in assassins to dispose anyone, in the likes of Seitenshi.

Ok. that last statement likely got it all wrong.
Seitenshi practically advocates for unification through peace process and undergoing civil liberty projects for the Cursed Children cause. On the other hand, Saitake's a warmonger imposing his belief that acts of violence can be justified for the sake of uniting and building Japan as a powerful nation, and he clearly holds disdain and contempt for anyone standing in the way of his ambitions.

[Xero8420]

Sounds like the author stressed on Cold War-era politics, which involved on human rights issues of racial/minorities discrimination, segregation, apartheid etc.

[Dark Paladin X]

Originally Posted by Xero8420

Sounds like the author stressed on Cold War-era politics, which involved on human rights issues of racial/minorities discrimination, segregation, apartheid etc.

Looking in civil/human rights for racial/ethnic minorities isn't tied to the Cold War politics. In fact, the civil rights movement and NAACP existed long before the Cold War era. It just that the civil rights movement didn't kick in until the late 1950s and 1960s (which it was during the Cold War era). Even so, looking into civil and human rights for racial groups and equality has little to do with the Cold Wars politics and it's often associate with left-wing politics instead (although the civil rights movement isn't related to communism one way or another despite the fact that communist states had always supported racial/gender equality).

Note that Black Bullet has no relation to Cold War politics. The politics is entirely left-wing. The author looks why racism against an oppressed group (the cursed children) is evil. The good gays (Seitenshi and Rentaro) are utilitarian, which this ethical philosophy is often associated with left-wing politics (although they are by no means communists despite the fact that communism is technically utilitarian in nature). The antagonists are either nihilists (the Hiruko pair) or objectivist ("Ayn Rand").

If I can describe the views of the author, I can easily sum it up this way:

Politics: Left-wing
Philosophy: Existentialism, Utilitarianism (with Rentaro, of course)

[Tenzen12]

Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

Keep in note that schools also have the right to deny education to cursed children due to the sheer hatred towards the cursed children. Apparently, this is one of the many reasons why Rentaro told Enju to keep her status as a cursed child as a secret.

Also note that Enju is one of the few cursed children to have better lives than many of the cursed children in the world, mainly because she's working as Initiator. She's even luckier that she's paired with a Promotor that serves a big-brother type figure to her and have that kind of instinct (as well as Rentaro agreeing with Seitenshi's goals for equal rights of the cursed children). Most Promotors usually see their Initiators as tools or trash (as evident with Shougen and Ayn Rand). If Enju was to be paired with someone else, she would have been physically abused, tortured, raped, etc.

Thus being said, it is possible to have a "Little Rock Nine" scenario where Enju and Tina attends school publicly as cursed children under Seitenshi's orders with an armed escort. After all, one of the reasons Enju was hesitant in transferring schools is because she made may friends in her former school and want to protect them.

Fact is they can deny education to childrens. We don't know whether it is pointed explicitly agains cursed childrens itself or just used against them. That Rentaro actuly COULD legaly hide her status speaks against.

And for promoters, if you look back on episode three, there was at least two other unnamed promoters who has clearly good relationship with their initiators, so I don't think claim "most promoters" has enough basis right now. But it's definitely truth there is plenty of people like Sougen and mistreating of initiators is silently overlooked.

Not realy sure what you meant by your third paragraph.

[Cloudedmind]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Fact is they can deny education to childrens. We don't know whether it is pointed explicitly agains cursed childrens itself or just used against them. That Rentaro actuly COULD legaly hide her status speaks against.

And for promoters, if you look back on episode three, there was at least two other unnamed promoters who has clearly good relationship with their initiators, so I don't think claim "most promoters" has enough basis right now. But it's definitely truth there is plenty of people like Sougen and mistreating of initiators is silently overlooked.

Not realy sure what you meant by your third paragraph.

For Little Rock Nine, Dark Paladin X was referring to this incident in the US during the Civil Rights movements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine