2013-06-27, 23:16 | Link #1061 |
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we got some bro-love between Hel'el and his demon self Satan. nice nice no Lucifer? we should get a final fusion between Hibiki and Yamato
Overall 6/10 I mean yea my inner fanboy was satisfied, the art was great but the story sucked
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2013-06-28, 04:23 | Link #1064 | |
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Satan is an agent of YHWH, whereas Lucifer is, well, Lucifer. As for my final thoughts. I won't praise it as being the best thing ever, but I was adequately amused by it. |
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2013-06-28, 10:32 | Link #1065 |
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Hmmm...kinda felt underwhelmed by this. This was less a circular motion for Hibiki and co - more like a reset, rendering virtually everything that led up to that time as pointless. Sure, that's probably what the characters wanted but all the character development we had seen for these survivors (...yeah, what character development - there was barely any to begin with), bar Hibiki and Yamato, didn't even happen.
The premise of a final episode where we are returned back to similar content of the first episode wasn't possible without a full reset in this instance - and naturally, it works better when such a reset isn't needed (see Psycho-Pass for that crash course). The fact is that, barring the memories of the two 'main' characters, the last thirteen episodes never happened 5/10. Had unfulfilled potential (possibly down to being only 13 episdoes), but could have been worse. |
2013-06-28, 11:07 | Link #1067 | |
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Also I believe these characters will still have a connection despite not realizing exactly what it is. Although the series only showed it with Daichi/Io/Hibiki forming a friendship again, there is nothing to say that Hibiki and co might also not meet the others in the future as well. Also I think Hibiki did get through to Yamato. Sure we can joke he rejected him, but to me it is pretty obvious that while Yamato said "they were not friends" his smirk makes you think otherwise. It's most likely Yamato also remembers what happened in the end and was clearly affected by Hibiki's friendship.
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2013-06-28, 11:13 | Link #1068 |
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Hibiki's line of argument irks me. Hibiki's dialogue about life = making choices sound so aloof. Choices belong to the privileged. Choices for poor people in my country would be limited to whether they eat grass today or eat nothing. They have few choices that can better their lives. And what does Hibiki do to follow up his words? Probably not much because from the start he doesn't care about the life and death of people whose names he doesn't know (like the poor nameless JP people slaughtered by Lugh).
I will be fine with Hibiki if he uses other arguments, but I suppose I cannot expect good writing from a crap anime. |
2013-06-28, 11:19 | Link #1069 | |
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You say poor people have less choices and that might be true. But Hibiki was not trying to create a perfect world. He thought humans should be allowed to fail and succeed on their own without one person controlling it all. Also Hibiki didn't want anyone to die and saying he doesn't care about those deaths is ridiculous. The fact that Hibiki worries about those closest to him the most does not negate that. That is a very human thing to do.
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2013-06-28, 11:28 | Link #1070 | |
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Anyway, what I'm saying is that I disagree with your interpretation of Hibiki's world. |
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2013-06-28, 13:01 | Link #1071 | |
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In Yamato's world only the strong survive. In Hibiki's world people are allowed to be weak and rely on each other.
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2013-06-28, 13:58 | Link #1072 |
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Sorry. Kinda butting in here but Yamato's world is more elaborated on in-game and yeah it's less about only strong surviving and more about talented and hard-working being rewarded and positioned as they deserve. They were just too busy screaming at him for doing what's necessary and at times about things that were not even his fault to sit down and listen to the long version with small prints.
Actually they just shaved off the whole "what to do with the world to make it right" aspect and Yamato really was the only one who thought about it. Hibiki's reasons for rewinding too were more NG+ "Let's try again.." instead of "We've grown as people now." and kinda off from the game version at least for the triumphant ending he got but that whole philosophical aspect was a pretty darn big part of the plot with like four factions I'm just- *bitch bitch* gonna excuse myself to complain to my pillow. |
2013-06-28, 14:16 | Link #1073 |
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as a non-gamer i can only say this. I wanted yamato to win. I don't understand what is so scary about a world where people who are good at governing, govern the world. It is way better then stupid people with power who can only ruin things. Could have written a lot of things of the situation in my country but i will just say two of the more famos names of uselness Renzo Bossi and Maria Stella Gelmini.
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2013-06-28, 14:45 | Link #1074 | |
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what hibiki wanted was a way to fix things with everyone's help, which meant that the current bad world will have to continue on until they develop into a not-so-bad world. as that detective said, if somebody does the right thing then everyone will follow. looks like hibiki will the one who will lead the others into doing the right thing or whatever. anyway, the battles were fun to watch, and those hunks of rocks were decent enough enemies for various demons that the mcs kept as virtual pets. that demon fusion mechanic was very nice though they didn't elaborate on it, i figured they just threw that in so that game players won't whine that the higher tiered demons and how to get them weren't shown. that's just what I think, i haven't (and probably won't) check out the game. I expected more out of the hibiki and polaris meeting but it just showed a light coming out of the sky. that disappointed me somewhat, in the end, it was a decent show, doesn't stand out much except for fuumi's boobs |
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2013-06-28, 14:58 | Link #1075 | |
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2013-06-28, 15:00 | Link #1076 | |
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To me it seems that in the anime Yamato is meant to be the final "villain". Of course he isn't really evil but Hibiki had to get through to him which I believe he did.
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2013-06-28, 15:05 | Link #1078 | |
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I won't say this anime was the best thing ever but as a non-gamer I enjoyed it. I don't really care if the game was "better" especially since I have no interest in playing video games. So I will just be content with the anime version.
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2013-06-28, 15:06 | Link #1079 | |
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After all, you're the one who said that was what the anime presented his motivation as, instead of what Blizzard said it is.
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2013-06-28, 15:16 | Link #1080 | |
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I can believe Yamato was wrong and not see him as evil.
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