2007-08-08, 18:01 | Link #1061 | |
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I have no problem with the basis of "those who give hope = good/moral" that is never true but I simply cannot agree with the comparison. Hitler is brought up far too much in situation where he does not belong. That hatred was never justified. It was paranoia instilled in the people due to Jewish success. The Britannia hatred is justified. |
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2007-08-08, 19:20 | Link #1062 | |
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By the way, your points still aren't doing a good job of contrasting the two. Lelouch has done things that are similar to most of those events you brought up.
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2007-08-08, 21:16 | Link #1063 | |
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As for the contrasts. The SS is the main contrast and the main way Hitler rose to power. I do not see Lelouch's actions to be very similar to Hitler's. Burning of the Reich I suppose could compare to the destruction of the SAZ, but then one was intentional the other was not. But since this isn't really a part of this discussion it might as well be dropped. |
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2007-08-08, 21:33 | Link #1064 |
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This is something I asked earlier and it wasn't answered...
So, basically, I have to use someone else as an example? Then it's okay, I guess.... Despite the same circumstances existing for both examples. Only Hitler is disallowed because he is used "too much" and therefore it's okay to disregard the point.
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2007-08-08, 21:40 | Link #1065 | |
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In the end, its probably just because Hitler is far too overused. |
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2007-08-09, 07:24 | Link #1067 |
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I think the whole problem is that certain parties were so willing to only look/list at the fact that Lulu brought suffering to more people than Kallen and Suzaku, without looking at the fact that he also brought hope to more people than Kallen and Suzaku.
And the problem with Hitler is that he is pretty much synonymous with death camps and evil, although without all the freaky shit that he condoned or started, he'd just be remembered as another would-be conqueror. So the qns was why Hitler instead of just some other random would-be conquerors. I mean, it's obviously there to draw a parallel -_-
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2007-08-09, 11:55 | Link #1068 | |
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2007-08-20, 06:19 | Link #1069 | |
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2007-08-21, 19:48 | Link #1070 | |
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This is called a military tactic.
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2007-08-21, 19:56 | Link #1071 | ||
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At the same time though Cornelia does quite respect her troops.
When the fight began the first thing she did was ask if the sutherland next to her could evac with her back turned. Guilford also took control of the situation despite her orders not to put himself for her. Quote:
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2007-08-23, 01:02 | Link #1072 |
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Suzaku's methods are just to naive.
Putting Euphie aside, who else would seriously consider granting a high position to a eleven even if he was the best man for the job. Britanians basically put their own people in the high ranking positions, do you honestly think that one of the princes/princess would actually promote Suzaku and give him power? And if they actually do, that the king would not object or show his disapproval? The princes and princess are competing for the throne after all. Talking about changing, i Lelouch would be change things for a fact. No matter what he did, and that he was sent to die; he is a prince after all. Holding power above most, he could probably change the system if he wanted to. His probably smarter than the rest of his step-siblings. Although i don't think Lelouch actually wants to take down Britanian does he? Well, this is my personal viewpoint but isn't all he wants revenge for his mother and peace for his sister? He could probably take avenge his mother and then return to the royal family, where they will probably be protected. After all, how much of a chance does a group of rebels have against a super power? None |
2007-08-23, 11:54 | Link #1073 |
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If one wishes for an independent country , it HAS to be a group effort whether it is via rebellion or from within. A lone guy has very little hope, if any, to pull it off.
Lelouch knows that and that is why he created the OotBK and why he wants a nation. Suzaku on the other hand never really took the initiative for the whole 'Change from Within' thing. Some of you may argue that the SAR would have worked out. Honestly, I don't think so. Why? like i said before, group effort. The SAR was practically given to them BY BRITTANIA. The Japanese didn't ask of it, it was given to them so to speak. The Japanese didn't question the 'how' or 'why', they just went and took it without asking questions and they fell into a trap. The trap was set by karma and coincidence rather then by a person. The end justifies the means? I'm not sure where I stand on that but I do know that if you want to change something, you'll have to act even if you have to walk a path of thorns. Our history isn't all flowers and sunshine but they did help shape our world one way or another. Wishful thinking gets you nothing. SR |
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Whether it would have worked out in the long run is much more open to question. However, students of history should know that true political change usually takes time to achieve. The "trap" was set by Lelouch.
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2007-08-23, 14:03 | Link #1075 | |
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(You can recall the "opposite pictures" of 11s/Britainian's feelings to understand that) |
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2007-08-23, 15:21 | Link #1076 | |
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2007-08-23, 15:33 | Link #1077 |
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The problem was, Britannian was only backing it because it solved the immediate problem of the rebellion. It killed it straight off, but it wouldn't have lasted. I don't see how it could have lasted. Zero could probably make it work. But I don't see him stopping at just that small area. He wants to destroy Britannian. And I don't see Britannian allowing that area to exist more than is convenient.
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2007-08-24, 01:18 | Link #1079 |
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I jusr don't see that happening though. Especially as I see the other areas under Britannian control starting to push for something like this as well. In the long run it will undermine their overall control.
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2007-08-24, 07:52 | Link #1080 |
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Well, we basically know nothing about how the other Areas are administered, nor how those populations act, but this kind of development can still be advantageous for Britannia. The main reason is that it doesn't really cost the Empire anything.
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