2014-08-07, 13:24 | Link #1063 |
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I've been looking at the amazon BD/DVD pre-order rankings for today, and I've been wondering, how exactly do all these number correlate to each other? For example how can one BD release have higher points then another, but a lower ranking? What exactly do the points mean or stand for and how are they calculated? How do these numbers correlate to actual number of BD's/DVD's being ordered? A ranking example below.
***,123位/***,144位 ★ (**2,647 pt) [*,*17予約] 2014/09/17 Free! -Eternal Summer- [BD] ***,131位/***,121位 ★ (**1,792 pt) [*,*84予約] 2014/09/24 Aldnoah.Zero[BD] ***,221位/***,201位 ★ (***,982 pt) [*,*25予約] 2014/09/26 Tokyo Ghoul[BD] ***,287位/***,260位 ○ (**1,837 pt) [*,**2予約] 2014/09/17 Free! -Eternal Summer- [DVD] ***,296位/***,342位 ★ (**1,019 pt) [*,**1予約] 2014/08/27 Black Butler - Book of circus[DVD] ***,334位/***,307位 ★ (**1,028 pt) [*,**4予約] 2014/08/27 Bakumatsu Rock[BD] |
2014-08-07, 13:53 | Link #1064 | |
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The short answer is that they don't actually know how many sales are occurring. They're just using the sales rankings on Amazon to estimate sales based on past trends. For example, if something is the top-selling DVD/BD on Amazon for a whole day, you know that's a whole lot of sales (because Amazon sells a whole lot of stuff). If something is only like the 1000th ranking... that's not so great. The points are an estimate of accumulated orders based on ranking over time. They use Amazon as representative of the larger market because it gives good data, even though obviously not everyone will buy their DVDs/BDs on Amazon, so there can be some cases where the Amazon estimates suggest one thing but actual sales are quite different because either more or less customers bought from Amazon vs. other stores in Japan.
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2014-08-07, 16:16 | Link #1066 | |
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2014-08-07, 17:25 | Link #1067 |
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Yeah, rank over time gives points, and points are like estimated sales so far. They can also give an estimate of the final point tally, but this is extremely subject to swings and variation (since it can only assume that past performance will continue as-is until the end, which rarely happens). In the end, calling it "points" helps people remember that these are only predictive algorithms (based on one single store, even if it's a big one), and no actual sales are known until the Oricon releases numbers after the fact (and even then, Oricon doesn't catch absolutely everything either).
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2015-01-09, 02:21 | Link #1068 |
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Can someone clarify something I just looked up because it doesn't seem right...
The data I'm reading is suggesting that Kantai Collection preorders are already ahead of Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works pre-orders.
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2015-01-09, 02:25 | Link #1069 | |
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Keep in mind that Stalker Points are not counting actual pre-orders, they're aggregating Amazon pre-order rankings over time. So it's very subjective and subject to change and adjustment. People who try to read the tea leaves this early in the season are fooling themselves.
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2015-06-23, 13:08 | Link #1070 |
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I'm so happy for Blood Blockade Battlefront earning 16k in its first volume. It really didn't seem like the type to earn that much. Euphonium earned a decent 6k too, which seemed unlikely in the first episodes (go Episode 8)
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2015-06-24, 19:43 | Link #1071 |
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Almost 17k actually. And it's just a first week.
BTW. Does anyone know what's the deal with Nanoha ViVId BDs? They haven't announced any yet but what's the reason? I really doubt they just decided not to make any cause all the previous installments had sales from decent to extremely good
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2015-06-25, 03:27 | Link #1072 |
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No news yet, which is definitely odd. There'll be a special broadcast on the 26th since there is no 13th episode, so I guess there's a small chance they might finally announce it then... but I have to imagine there was some sort of legal or production issue that held them back. There are also signs that it will be split-cour, so maybe they're planning to do something special, or who knows...
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2015-06-25, 16:57 | Link #1073 |
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I'd like to point out that the sales for the most recent Space Battleship Yamato 2199 movie (Hoshi Meguru Hakobune) are only partly correct on the main list. It does not include the Limited First Edition sales which Oricon listed as 17,983 for the first week.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...y-25-31/.88821 And the movie is listed with the top seller of the year so far: #26 with 35,681 (in 11 days by the time of the report). http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...le-2015/.89373 The First Limited Edition stops being on the top charts this last week while the regular version has remained on it. The last listing of it has it at 19,344 by itself http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...an-2015/.89375
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2015-06-26, 15:27 | Link #1074 |
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So not entirely related, but is there any words regarding whether foreign site like Crunchy Roll assist in sale/ provide extra profits for a series in anyway?
Like whether a popular series for Western audience will provide some decent profit to break through the Manabi Line. Or something like that?
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2015-06-28, 07:44 | Link #1075 | |
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As for the revenues themselves, that's harder to say. If we take Crunchyroll at its word, their claimed 400,000 subscribers should generate about $2.5 million per month. If we generously assume they pass back $1 million of that back to license holders, that's not a trivial amount, but it is spread across a lot of shows. I doubt Toei or Cinedigm earn much from CR's carriage of Mononoke; Madhouse might have seen better returns on Parasyte.
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2015-09-29, 21:32 | Link #1076 |
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Does anyone know about the particular Soundscan the Japanese are now anticipating for the "actual" sales figures since Oricon rankings are considered untrustworthy? Google takes me to Nielsen's site, but that's based in US.
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2015-09-29, 21:57 | Link #1077 | |
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I haven't delved deeply into anime BD/DVD sales reports in awhile, so I'm wondering what's going on here. From what I can gather, recent sales rankings/projections ended up being drastically off from actual concrete sales figures once they were released, on an almost across-the-board basis (not just one lone show). And that this ties into an overestimation of the importance of Amazon figures alone? Is that what is going on here, or is it something else? In any event, I'd really appreciate it if you or someone else could walk me through this.
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2015-09-29, 22:07 | Link #1078 | |
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Oricon isn't untrustworthy just cause amazon f'ed up Soundscan covers some stores that oricon doesn't but oricon covers far more stores than soundscan does. As someone who uses soundscan for music, its only real advantage is that it splits the product into different versions but this is probably not important for anime. |
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2015-09-29, 22:09 | Link #1079 | |
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Someanithing is blaming Oricon for the inconsistencies, as well as Amazon for making things complicated since they have their own editions of many anime releases.
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By the way, Something has already posted links for Soundscan stats. http://www.phileweb.com/ranking/dvd-top20/1679.html http://www.phileweb.com/ranking/bd-top20/374.html In the BD rankings, Uta no Prince Sama leads, Overlord is at #3, TLR Darkness is #9 and Charlotte is at #12. For another source: 7,368 Overlord 6,612 iDOLM@STER Cinderella Girls 4,534 Kuroko's Basketball 4,335 Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso 4,219 TLR Darkness 3,664 Kiniro Mosaic 3,457 Code Geass Agito 3,353 Charlotte 3,122 Victory Gundam 2,174 Prisma Illya 2,132 Gakkou Gurashi 1,663 Arslan Senki 1,640 Nagato-chan http://refugee-chan.mobi/test/read.c...1443570372/942
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2015-09-29, 22:29 | Link #1080 | |
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You'll probably have to do some magic combining from both to get the total sales number |
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