2012-05-25, 21:56 | Link #1062 |
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What do you mean by mainstream?
-Appealing to audiences in Japan other than Otaku. After K-On! KyoAni has given more attention to their periphery demographics, but they still make works that invoke lots of moe directed otaku. I don't think they are losing their touch due to taking into consideration non-otaku viewers at all. I like the "natural moe" thing. Their most ambitious project towards non-moe fans, Nichijyou was relatively a failure, thus I don't think that they will continue moving in that direction at all. -Appealing to western mainstream. I don't see how this is true. Their western mainstream-ness peaked with Haruhi and I don't really think they care about our market at all. KyoAni production values are still as high as ever which is their end of the deal for adaptations. Girls still invoke lots of moe. I just wish that they were given different series to adapt. As for wanting to appeal to whoever will buy, may I point out that they are still making more Munto. |
2012-05-25, 23:57 | Link #1063 | |
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I'm really interested if you can come up with an unbiased definition of both (considering how biased the start of your sentence was)... |
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When their owners see that K-On! and Lucky Star were so popular, it would be clear (to him) to push similar projects. It would also be cheaper to acquire the rights for the adaption, and a bigger share from the production revenue. And let's not forget that the production itself would be cheaper. Also the studio does not have a solid base or freelancers on the top of their production, unlike other studios, and financial matters seem to play a bigger role than artistic pursuits, they used to have (probably still do) a more stable "lower" executive power employees who usually (but definitely not always) maintain the animation quality. Quote:
As for their production values, I disagree, their TV productions have become cheaper, a lot cheaper over the years. I hope that's clear now, and unbiased enough |
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2012-05-26, 06:39 | Link #1065 | |
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And yea, Hyouka seems to be some attempt at doing something else. I'm just trying to seek out what that is, but I will find out soon enough.
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2012-05-26, 08:13 | Link #1066 | ||
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And if the following things in Hyouka are all examples of production values getting cheaper, then everything may as well be cheap nowadays. - animating the back displays on the digital style clocks. - unlimited frame works. (Yes that was all for the one 30 sec scene) - Cloud porn. (And yes I mean that. You had Snow porn in Kanon, Hair porn in almost all of their works and in the opening scenes of Hyouka ep5, they gave us Cloud porn.) See the clouds and rays of light shining through in the backdrop? Those were moving. See the puddles? The clouds were reflected in the puddles too. Moving. And guess what? The shadows from the cloud cover were moving too. On top of both the puddle reflection and original cloud movement itself.
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2012-05-26, 08:27 | Link #1067 |
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Nichijou and Hyouka must've too expensive and expressive for their own good if you ask anyone that know about this, make you wonder why KyoAni not spending all of this resource to something that more appropriate for this kind of hardwork.
Btw Hyouka still got bashed? its started slow but its turned out to be one of better show this season. EDIT: Its just crossed in my mind after entering to this thread, there is many demand for FMP new season, but does KyoAni still have mechanical animator on their side after many years of absence making that needed mechanical animator? I thought many of them already leaving the studio.
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2012-05-26, 08:46 | Link #1068 | |
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And one of the better this season? In a season with Fate Zero, Sakamichi no Apollon, Space Brothers and Lupin III? No... just no. |
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2012-05-26, 08:53 | Link #1069 | |
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With Hyouka, I think they've handled things pretty well. But if there's one animation studio that actually overdoes animation sometimes, it's KyoAni. You can almost feel that their animators desperately would like to do something that really would call for this level of animation. I think the perfect property for KyoAni would be something like Ga-Rei Zero. A show with moe characters/character designs (because credit where it's do - almost nobody does "moe" as well as KyoAni does, imo), but also loads of scintillating action scenes. It would be nice if one day KyoAni tried their hand at something like that.
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2012-05-26, 09:19 | Link #1070 | |
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Ranking stuff aside... Hyouka does became better when its telling more than just trivial mysteries (eps 4-5, although eps 3 is also better than previous two and the start of that arc) But its seems that's the formula of the anime, we gonna get all of that "boring" trivial mysteries for 2-4 episode and we get the interesting stuff after its, only KyoAni visual eyecandy that will save us from boredom for those episode lol. Talking about Eyecandy, I'm impressed with Shuuhei's Okude debut as art director in Hyouka he only responsible for background in his previous three KyoAni work, I wonder if this is show how good KyoAni nurturing their worker for eventually take higher role if they capable of it. |
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2012-05-26, 09:27 | Link #1071 |
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I was comparing the studio works over time, not with other studios. They reuse animation, photoshop photographs for backgrounds and have dodgy in-between frames a lot more. Compare the last FMP or the first Haruhi with both K-On, second Haruhi, or Lucky Star. Whether ones likes these or not is another subject, than wether they cut down production costs.
One thing though I can agree is what 3xR said about the studio trying to (according to me) / succeeding in (according to others) overshadowing everything with their visuals. And in between, I also want more Haruhi and FMP, whether it looks good or not, but animated by whoever respects the story and would never conceive a travesty like E8. |
2012-05-26, 10:02 | Link #1073 | |
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Ambition/risk during continued financial volatility at a domestic and international level is unlikely. They had a formula/brand that works - why would they stray from it? This industry is primarily about what sells, even if the creators aren't that enthused by what is selling. Authors, writers and directors will adapt to the times and trends to remain relevant and financial. This isn't an altruistic industry. It's one of the most calculating and pragmatic out there, which is justified to quite a degree. Considering the majority of studios out there would gladly take the windfall that has come KyoAni's way in recent years, their approach is justified in the long run, even if their mismanagement of certain titles is beyond laughable at times. If paying fans enable them to stay in business, the fans get what they deserve. KyoAni would only ever budge if there was a several years period where fans voted by keeping their wallets shut. That's the one thing studios at the top end will listen to.
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2012-05-26, 12:05 | Link #1074 |
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Nichijou was definitely well animated. People might misunderstand due to the fact that it doesn't feature the realism typical of other KyoAni works.
But realism does not quality animation make. It's about the fluidity of motion, and nichijou had a lot of that. |
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2012-05-26, 15:56 | Link #1076 | ||
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As for whether Hyouka is the best this season? I would say its a close second to Acchi Kocchi. |
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2012-05-26, 16:34 | Link #1077 | |
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2012-05-26, 18:12 | Link #1078 | |
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As for Hyouka, I've been very impressed with the animation and direction. Clannad was the last Kyoto Animation show that I watched beyond an episode or two (although the technical quality of Nichijou Ep. 1 impressed me), and they've made immense strides since then. |
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