2010-06-01, 04:27 | Link #10781 |
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...one more thought about the phones just occurred to me. Yes, I'm being silly.
As long as the actual line is not cut somewhere inaccessible, like the ocean floor, it's trivial to hook up a phone directly to the line bypassing the PBX, unless the PBX also serves as the concentrator, which I think it doesn't. If you're crafty enough, on a pulse dialing line, (which, according to the available graphics showing rotary dialer phones, is probably the kind they have) you can make a call with nothing beyond the headset ripped off a phone by slapping bits of wire together - if you have a whole phone, you just twist the wires and go, no serious technical expertise required. To actually kill the outside line dead dead so that nobody can make a call from the island even if they think of that, you would need to destroy the equipment on the other end. Basically the only reliable way to do that from the island that I know of involves thousands of volts fed into the line to blow the fuse, (just connecting it to mains power is known not to work) which is neither easy nor safe to do. I.e. if you're serious about not letting people call the police, you're not going to have an easy time of it.
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2010-06-01, 06:10 | Link #10782 | |
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2010-06-01, 08:18 | Link #10784 | |
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If there is an undersea phone line, then the line must surface on the island somewhere where it's easily accessible, like the beach or something similar. So, while the weather is still nice, you could travel down to the beach, cut the lines, head back up and act like nothing happened. Heck, if you've got the guts, you could probably even do this during the early hours of the first night. And once the second day begins, the weather's too rough for anyone to consider going anywhere near the beach, so there's no way to check to see if the line's intact down there. |
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2010-06-01, 12:21 | Link #10785 | |
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Meanwhile, I think the PBX itself has to be in the servants room somewhere or close by. In Ep5, Genji is shown routing incoming calls manually multiple times and calling Natsuhi to do it, and a servant on duty taking the call and then deciding where to route it is apparently the usual way to deal with incoming calls. While it is possible to do that purely by dialing extension numbers to control the PBX remotely, generally that functionality only became widely available with digital PBXes which required DTMF dialing -- while the phones inside the mansion appear to be rotary pulse dialers. In this case someone has to be next to the PBX to route the call. The only way someone always is involves it being next to the servant duty station.
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2010-06-02, 08:23 | Link #10786 | ||
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I don't really understand the need to doubt the phone line are out. We're told several times throughout the Episodes that Rokkenjima is cut-off from the rest of the world; this is what allows certain events, like the gold truth confirming Kinzo's body, to work. If the phone lines were operational, it would mean that Rokkenjima is not actually cut-off from the world, and would destroy some crucial events. So how about this: If Genji lives long enough to see his Task X progress long enough, he cuts-off the island's external phone lines using Technique Y. |
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2010-06-02, 10:49 | Link #10787 | |
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This means the following things when picking up the phone on the inside of the system:
This whole mess is probably not important except one thing. Even if the trunk line is cut, someone has to be lying for these reasons:
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2010-06-02, 17:59 | Link #10788 |
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Is it possible to rig it so that no dialtone is heard, but internal lines still work? A lot of phones I've worked around or with don't have a dialtone until you hit the external line button. If that were possible, couldn't a person just lie and say the phone didn't work, offer it to someone else, and have them "confirm" it because there's no dialtone?
Granted, this is 1986 telephone technology, which I doubt ryukishi is really up on, but he clearly seems to be doing something with the phones, even if it's just people lying about their operational status. I actually think it more reasonable they were never disabled internally at all, in any episode. |
2010-06-02, 19:47 | Link #10789 |
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Most likely they were disabled externally however were left working internally. As most instances of the status of the phone being stated concerns contacting the police. Whether it works internally or not is usually irrelevant to everyone as they tend to group together so they have no need to use the phones. Severing the phones internally would actually serve no purpose so why bother even doing it?
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2010-06-02, 20:02 | Link #10790 | |
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Mind you, if you can have someone 'confirm' that the PBX is dead by showing them a specific endpoint phone and expect it to stick for the rest of the event, why don't you just pull it out of the wall socket before you do? You can plug it back in after when you need that phone.
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2010-06-02, 23:39 | Link #10791 | |
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So it's possible that people still think it's an act before that point... and by the time they realize it isn't, everyone left is grouped up. |
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2010-06-03, 08:35 | Link #10792 | |
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In Episode 2... I can't remember Episode 2 all that well. I know he surives, so what should happen is that the phone lines go out. In Episode 3, Genji dies (or "dies," depending on your theory) early on, so the phones are intact for the entire Episode. The same goes for Episodes 4 and 5, and I haven't played Episode 6, so I can't make a judgement on it. |
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2010-06-03, 12:44 | Link #10793 | |
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I wrote three times more originally but deleted it, so yes, this is brief.
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Maria says that Genji locked the door from inside the room. But Genji has just relinquished his keyring to Natsuhi at this point so he could not do that -- instead Kumasawa would have to, or he would need to have Kumasawa's keys. If Genji is the one disabling the PBX, he also probably has to be the one fixing it before he dies in the parlor, and it's somewhere aound the servant room, which defaults to being locked - so he can't get in there without Kumasawa's keys either. So, does Maria lie, or is Kumasawa directly supporting Genji in this particular matter?
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2010-06-03, 13:34 | Link #10794 |
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Sorry to interrupt the current discussion, but have any theories involving the sedatives Rosa brought to the island been made yet? I feel as if this plays a very key role especially considering how there seem to be many faked deaths at this stage of the story.
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2010-06-03, 13:50 | Link #10795 |
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I remember at a certain point that they were discussed, but since they were sedatives meant for children it was pointed out that you need a lot of them to cause any relevant effect on adults and a lot more than a single bottle to cause death.
Personally I don't think this is really relevant, because the fake serial murder is certainly something that was planned in advance, therefore it would be impractical for the mastermind to rely on items brought by the guests rather than preparing them himself, especially considering that there are a lot of better products than children sedatives to use.
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2010-06-03, 14:24 | Link #10796 |
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Well, the sedatives have to play some sort of role in episode 3. Somebody else emptied the bottle for some reason.
Obvious explanations: a) Person who did so was using the drugs for his / her own purpose. b) Person who did so wanted merely to deprive Rosa / Maria of the sedatives. Also, in Episode 2, Battler is sleeping around the point when Genji knocks on the parlor door. This in spite of the fact that he slept a good deal of Oct 4 and woke up on his own on Oct 5. I think Rosa drugged him when making his meal.
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2010-06-03, 15:00 | Link #10798 | |
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It's been a while since I played through Ep 3 and I'm pretty sure I'm thinking more along the lines of 'And Then There Were None', but they'd really just need to slow the two down and not necessarily put them to sleep? ... Yeah. It's very, very unlikely. Though I suppose the one thing I was considering is that if sedatives were used by the culprit in a 'faked' death for realism. ... Once again, I'm really reaching here. Ah well, I was planning on rereading everything from Ep 1 anyway. |
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2010-06-03, 16:17 | Link #10799 | |
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And for the parlour, I always thought the doors were lockeable from the inside of the room without a key. If not, it's not too hard for Genji to borrow Kumasawa's key. As the head furniture of the family, he'd probably prefer to take their safety into his own hands, and would lock the room of the door to protect Maria. I don't think there's any reason to think Genji went straight to the parlour, so it isn't hard for him to make a detour and fix the phone lines. On the topic of the child sedatives, I use them in my Rosa Culprit Theory. When the adults are preparing to fake their own deaths, Rosa substitutes the drugs used by the rest of the "victims" (Shannon could also have substitutes, if she is an accomplice) with Maria's sedatives. This allows her to pretend to be knocked out, providing her with ample time to kill and move the others. |
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2010-06-03, 17:21 | Link #10800 |
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No, I'm referring to Battler sleeping on Oct. 5 in Episode 2. (Battler and Jessica are also mentioned as sleeping on and off late Episode 3.)
By comparison, in Episode 1, Maria wakes him up early on Oct 5, and he's not mentioned as sleeping after that.
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