2008-05-13, 22:05 | Link #1081 |
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Call me cynical, but most people in this world say things that contradict each other. They act in a certain way that contradicts with their words. And they doesn't even notice it.
I see no difference between that and Suzaku. Suzaku seems abnormal because most of the characters in anime are just "perfect" compared to rality. |
2008-05-13, 22:10 | Link #1083 | |
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That is not what I meant when I wrote that. What I mean is that the creators of Suzaku just really didn't put much thought into Suzaku's thought process. It's like me saying to you "I hate apples, and the reason why I still eat them is because they are disgusting." So, you know I hate apples, but the reasoning that I use for still eating them when I hate them is just totally illogical. Hating apples and finding them disgusting is fine by itself. But, why in my actions do I eat them? |
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2008-05-13, 22:14 | Link #1086 | |
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2008-05-13, 22:18 | Link #1089 | |
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Remember what Suzaku said during the Narita fight: "I am a soldier to prevent more killing, even if I hate killing." That's the dilemna that a soldier can have when he is on the battlefield. Although he himself may not want to kill, that act of "restraint" can lead to more deathes by allowing "terrorists" to do damage. Examples such as the stealing of the "poison gas" capsle shows what Suzaku is against. Suzaku, unlike your regular civilian who mostly wouldn't have to kill in the first place, is a soldier. His "twisted" logic is the things that any soldiers might face while doing their duty. |
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2008-05-13, 22:21 | Link #1090 | |
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2008-05-13, 22:22 | Link #1091 |
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I hate suzaku because he joined the people who took over his country, and slaughtered many of his people both soldier and civilian. That and he killed the leader of his country during the war, putting Japan in the position it's in right now.
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Such simple thinking will not get anywhere when you consider the geopolitical situation. |
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2008-05-13, 22:28 | Link #1093 | |
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Well, my opinion there are some fates worse than death. And you look out how the people are treated now, have to bow down to britannians and live in fear, i would choose death. But that's just me.
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2008-05-13, 22:31 | Link #1094 |
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I think the word slaughtered is a little too harsh. Maybe he's killed some in the line of work, but it's not like he wakes up everyday and thinks "oh boy, I wonder how many Japenese I get to kill today." And like it has been said, most of the people that Suzuku has killed are terrorists or soliders who were trying to kill him at the moment. I don't recall Suzuku specifically killing any civilians. In fact, he gets shot in the very first episode for not shooting LeLouch, since he feels that Lelouch was an innocent civilian who did nothing wrong. And I think it's been stated in the series that if he didn't kill his father, Japan would be in a much worse situation than it is right now, as it would simply be a battleground for all three superpowers, which would have killed much more Japenese and left it much more desolate and barren.
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2008-05-13, 22:32 | Link #1095 | |
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2008-05-13, 22:33 | Link #1096 | |
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2008-05-13, 22:34 | Link #1097 | |
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such "simple" thinking is what many would also think. Obviously, they didnt take many factors into account when they thought this way. But should they be held accountable for thinking this way? I mean, most of these people are just citizens, their livelihood and concerns are not as large and as complicated as those politicians. From their perspective its a simple fact as to not betray your friends, not to destroy a part of how you live. Whats wrong in that? Maybe Something is wrong if a person who's always lived like that are suddenly thrusted into that kind of decision making...........It's like, a farmer who lived in a small village where everyone is friendly all his life, the only way to live he knows is tend to the fields. One day suddenly an Army Major comes in takes him away and 1 day later he's got a gun in his hand and hes in situation to either shoot another guy or be shot. What is the force that made him lose his once timid life? Does anyone have the right to do that to him? Instead of blaming him that his comrades are dying because he cant shoot, perhaps we should also think on blaming the force that placed him in that situation? |
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2008-05-13, 22:37 | Link #1098 | |
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Unlike the characters, we are allowed to have hindersight and judge based on what we know. |
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2008-05-13, 22:39 | Link #1099 | |
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Suzaku hates the killing of his own people. So in order to stop the killing of his own people, he is willing to kill more of his own people. Or Suzaku hates killing of his own people by the Britannians. So, in order to stop the killing of his own people by the Britannians, he kills his dad, who is one of his own people. Or Suzaku hates the usage of innocent people, so in order to stop the usage of innocent people, he uses innocent people in order to protect them from being used. |
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2008-05-13, 22:40 | Link #1100 | |
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Something just occurred to me.
Suzaku's goal is to govern Area 11....yet Nunnally is the one taking over and in no way in hell is he going to backstab her. For the sake of the argument, let's guarantee that Nunnally's position is to stay if she proves herself to be a capable ruler (As Vallen pointed out, the Emperor is pretty apethetic so I doubt he'll go to the lengths of assassinating her later). So is there any point to Suzaku becoming the Knight of One to govern Area 11? If Nunnally does a good job and stays then there's little point. THough the thing that baffles me is how Nunnally/Suzaku argue about changing the world and they are using Japan to do it. Those poor people Quote:
He's never shown any joy in killing his own kind either. When he was participating in the JLF operation he was casting doubt on himself to even fire on the JLF soldiers but it wasn't because they were japanese, it was because it was literally a massacre. Since we say Lelouch is a good person because he hesitates or admits its evil to murder people, we should give Suzaku some benefit on his side. |
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