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View Poll Results: Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha the Movie 2nd A's - Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 16 | 25.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 16 | 25.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 20.31% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 4.69% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 8 | 12.50% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 3.13% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 4 | 6.25% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 1.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.56% | |
Voters: 64. You may not vote on this poll |
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2013-04-01, 14:08 | Link #1081 |
Adeptus Animus
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Then "explain" how Nanoha thought up a clever heat dispersion system identical to the one tailor made on Fate's device and "explain" how Raising heart's second mode turns out to be extremely similar to the Bureau standard.
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2013-04-01, 14:12 | Link #1082 |
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I have no clue.
But, again, Nanoha thought up the basic form of RH in the series. In the movie, it was pre-installed. So, with that said... In the series, the reason Yuuno couldn't use RH in staff mode was because he didn't think it up. In the movie, why didn't he use it in staff mode? That's what I want explained. Hell, just 3 seconds, that's ALL that would be needed, just ONE line about why. We never got that line.
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2013-04-01, 14:16 | Link #1084 |
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A line of "Such power, no wonder she can use Raising Heart like that then."
Never there. A line of "She's more compatible with Raising Heart than I am." Never there. A line of "I found Raising Heart on the same dig that I found the Jewel Seeds and I could barely use it." Never there. ANY of those three lines, or a variation of them, would have filled the plot hole instantly.
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2013-04-01, 15:08 | Link #1086 | |
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Nanoha was a perfect fit. A demon-cannon girl for a demon-cannon staff. |
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2013-04-01, 15:37 | Link #1090 | ||||||||||||
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Due to the anime con I was at all weekend, I couldn't get into super long posts, and TR knew it would take me until this week to get to it, so here it is:
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Fate and Arf are on their way to Earth, via a series of teleport jumps. Lindy, Chrono, and Amy will follow up later on the Arthra, as Lindy plans to get a house on Earth so that Fate would have a home near Nanoha (and to take a break to bond with her new daughter). Amy and Chrono have their modified movie conversation here. Fate arrives, but senses the barrier up, and her and Arf go charging in. They double-team Vita (who is draining Nanoha at the moment) and smack her away, binding her in the rubble of a building They only exchange a few words before Signum and Zafira attack They fight for a bit, but Shamal shows up and binds Arf, allowing Zafira to knock her out, as per the movie. Vita gets free, and she teams up with Signum to put Fate down and start to drain her Arthra shows up, they detect the barrier, and Chrono and Lindy teleport down and get the drop on the pair, knocking them away from Fate (Chrono and Lindy were the only two with power enough to teleport into the barrier; a few Enforcers are working on it from outside). They get a short combat scene, no longer than 30 seconds combined... but also long enough that Lindy recognizes the Wolks. Chrono doesn't really (he was too young then), but does see Shamal fly away with the book. The Wolks realize they'll soon be outnumbered once the barrier goes down, and retreat Some short scenes showing Lindy distraught at failing to protect her new daughter, and Fate distraught at failing to protect Nanoha Continue on as normal from this point. But I'd like scenes showing Chrono growing a bit obsessed about finding the book and destroying it (no Graham to teach him that "calmness is your ally"). Perhaps Lindy taking note, but attempts to caution him are unheeded. Chrono simply says he is doing this job as an agent of the Bureau. Quick flash of Amy showing worry on her face, perhaps. Quote:
You're expecting that, somehow, fans will think, "Hey, that scene should have been longer! BOOOO! BAD MOVIE!" The human mind doesn't work that way. Most people don't miss what they never had. If we only had shortened Fate scenes, I bet you, and everyone else, would never have noticed. Your thoughts would be as they are now: that Fate got enough in your mind. Hell, if Chrono and Lindy had gotten at least a little actual character development(but not as much as I am suggesting), I probably wouldn't be having this conversation with you at all. Maybe a little grumbling, but enough to rate this movie at least an 8. Then again, I think critically while most people don't and are thus satisfied with the shiny. It is why Micheal Bay keeps making movies, heh. But I'd rather Nanoha not be a Bay flick. Quote:
I won't deny that a great many shippers love them. It's like crack. There are a few of us who prefer real red meat in our stories, though. Mostly because all those NanoFate fics are pretty much exactly alike, focusing on very few issues and completely neglecting other aspects of the characters they like. I wrote a fic called "Whipped" which was NanoFate, as a way to address the trauma Fate must be carrying from the physical abuse. Imagine my surprise when I learn that no one else had attempted to even address this issue in a fic.... ever. What does that tell you? As a former shipper myself, I understand. My focus on a particular relationship (Ranma/Akane) caused me to lose focus on the larger plot, and I'm embarrassed to say I tended to upvote fics with that pairing, and downvote fics with better writing and plot just because it wasn't Ranma/Akane. So, you'll have to forgive me, and it may be years before you look back and see (I know, I've been there), but too much focus on something like NanoFate, or a particular character like Fate, really does warp your viewpoint. It's really hard to see now, I know. If someone had told me all of this back when I was in the Ranma 1/2 fandom, I would have reacted angrily and wouldn't have understood. I cringe at how I acted back then. This was probably a long-winded way of saying: you can't be objective, if you heavily favor any particular relationship and character to the degree I've seen from a few. In order to be truly objective, you have to look at each character equally, and determine their proper development in the scope with the movie. A truly objective person will look at a movie like The Last Airbender, and tell you exactly why it is bad, even though it technically followed the really good series. And if someone told you, "No way, man! The Last Airbender movie was AWESOME! Did you see the special effects and that fight? And it developed my favorite character! So I don't get why you think the movie is so bad." Quote:
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#1. A certain hardcore segment of the fanatic fanbase likes it (ie, Batman/Catwoman scenes to focus on their relationship, while ignoring development of a lot of the other characters) #2. And what is good on a more objective level based on standard criteria. (Is the plot consistent? Are there plotholes? Do characters get developed as the plot would warrant, or are they ignored?) And I'll grant that there are a large number of movies that critics tend to pan for bad plot or what have you, but still make money because a large portion of the populace eats it up, ie, the Bay Transformer movies. Huge plot holes, inconsistencies, ignoring the development of most of the frickin' bots themselves... and yet people will tell that the movies are good. If you are truly objective, you can go, "Yeah, I understand the plot suffered and the movie had technical issues, even though I personally liked it." Quote:
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And in the normal world, they wouldn't find touching brother/sister scenes (like a sister embracing a brother to comfort him after he breaks down from an internal trauma) to be sexualized in any way. This is purely an anime thing, and in particular, with some more recent anime and their fans. I don't know if you've seen Kokoro Connect, but most people find the brother/sister interaction there cute... despite the filter that some anime fans might put over their eyes to see it purely in romantic/sexual terms. In short, in the normal world, vastly more people see "wrong" when they see two 9-year-olds salted with liberal subtext, then they do about a brother and sister. On a personal note, I've started to become a bit disgusted with anime fans in particular, over some of their more queer habits and likes, like panty shots. Yes, anime is getting a bit bigger in some respects, but there are very valid reasons why it won't get mainstream approval. And I think many anime fans get so far into their fetish, that they begin to lose sight of what society at large finds okay. And sexual tension between two 9-year-olds is definitely not okay, according to society. Heh, I was just at Sakura con this weekend, and I reminded myself why I avoided the booths, where they were selling things. Because I walked down and found booths with huge posters and pillow covers with naked anime girls (although with post-it notes hiding important bits). I'm like... seriously, dude? And we want the world to respect us? But I digress, and have wandered off into one of my peeves. Long story short (too late, I know): regardless of what you or I think, the western world has already judged certain things to be taboo. And while I'm usually up for taboo-busting, I gotta say, I'm not there yet with regards to 9-year-old girls. If it is your thing, sure, knock yourself out. Just don't try to convince yourself that it is normal or accepted in the world at large. NAMBLA loves to croon about how the world rejects their viewpoint, too. Quote:
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When I say I want this series to be successful, I mean it, I want it to be successful by having more anime seasons, more fans coming in and discussing, more people enjoying the series. But the more pandering that goes on, the less successful the series becomes.
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2013-04-01, 15:52 | Link #1093 |
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Oh yes, I saw plenty of pillows. In fact, shortly after I entered the selling area, literally 12 feet from the door, the first booth had huge dakimura pillow case covers of naked anime girls hanging on the wall behind the counter, with said post-it notes covering up their bits (with words on them saying stuff like "giggity!" And other booths throughout the area were selling hentai doujins or DVDs (with small stickers covering any exposed bits on the covers).
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2013-04-01, 16:02 | Link #1095 |
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Never been to an anime convention so I've no idea how they are (though in my country, it'll be a miracle if they could put up anything that's remotely close to 18+; government's crazy enough to censor kiss scenes in movies after all >_>), but from what you've said, I'm gonna make damn sure to stay a safe distance from the booths and stick strictly to window shopping only lol...
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2013-04-01, 17:28 | Link #1096 | ||
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2013-04-01, 17:51 | Link #1098 | |
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Perhaps not if you merely factored in dvd and BD sales, but you can't take a series to the theaters for several long months, and sell the abundant amount of goods there in the process.
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2013-04-01, 18:02 | Link #1099 | |
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