Mahouka LN - Insurrection in the Ancient City (Volumes 14 & 15) Discussion / Poll

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Well, Tsutomu said during his interview that teleportation magic can't exist so I don't believe a magic like that will ever exist.

Not teleportation per-say...

Just think of it as a sword that cannot be block because it moves through a different space.....It is like phasing through objects.....

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

Not only because of his magic, several things can show he is one depending on how the events play out, such as his information network and Masaki never saw him use it, even Lina who has not good magic knowledge understood that Tatsuya's magic was Decomposition once he used it, him and his sister being so powerful is another reason to suspect them.

Well, Tsutomu said during his interview that teleportation magic can't exist so I don't believe a magic like that will ever exist.

Isnt that where Erika comes to play?
beside Tatsuya's part of the military. There might bw curiousity to his linage but as we know prying about a person's linage is considered unethical.

@Fujin I disagree...Tatsuya already have a magic that can pierce through any defence theres no point in him having that kind of magic....

What I wanna see is a time magician who can manipulate time and space; like reversing, stopping and fast forwarding.

Like Tatsuya regrowth but not reading and copying but Reversing time itself. Or Tatsuya Mist dispersal; fast fowarding a person time to his/her time that he turns to ash. Or Tatsuya Material Burst but this time creating a massive black hole that sucks everything.

[Verisimilitude]

Zhou really is that bothersome to have four of the Ten Master Clans coming for his head. Though if they do manage to capture/kill him, I wonder who the next villian will be. I doubt the Black Sage will intervene directly just yet.

[somerand]

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude

Zhou really is that bothersome to have four of the Ten Master Clans coming for his head. Though if they do manage to capture/kill him, I wonder who the next villian will be. I doubt the Black Sage will intervene directly just yet.

Considering that the TMC selection is meant to be at like the start of the third year I'm guessing that will be the next arc. If I had to take a guess at the next antagonist it would either be one of the not yet introduced master clans that could make a move against the Yotsuba during the selection or the Saegusa vs Yotsuba clash will begin and they will be the enemies although they wouldn't really be "Villains".

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude

Zhou really is that bothersome to have four of the Ten Master Clans coming for his head. Though if they do manage to capture/kill him, I wonder who the next villian will be. I doubt the Black Sage will intervene directly just yet.

Don't think they will deal with him in this volume but Jiedo will be next after him. In the spoilers Tatsuya and Kyouko speculated that he could show up at the end of this operation, given its importance.

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Isnt that where Erika comes to play?
beside Tatsuya's part of the military. There might bw curiousity to his linage but as we know prying about a person's linage is considered unethical.

@Fujin I disagree...Tatsuya already have a magic that can pierce through any defence theres no point in him having that kind of magic....

What I wanna see is a time magician who can manipulate time and space; like reversing, stopping and fast forwarding.

Like Tatsuya regrowth but not reading and copying but Reversing time itself. Or Tatsuya Mist dispersal; fast fowarding a person time to his/her time that he turns to ash. Or Tatsuya Material Burst but this time creating a massive black hole that sucks everything.

The black hole thing is a possibility...But Tatsuya has to cause an object's gravity to collapse on itself or he has to distort gravity....

About that time thing, I think the closest we will have for that kind of spell is a mental interference spell that can cause the suspension of a person's sense of time....

[pampz21]

Originally Posted by Verisimilitude

Zhou really is that bothersome to have four of the Ten Master Clans coming for his head. Though if they do manage to capture/kill him, I wonder who the next villian will be. I doubt the Black Sage will intervene directly just yet.

Well I doubt Jeido would be their next target as the Yotsuba want to capture Zhou because of their sponsor; but I think Maya has her plan against the sponsors.

Possible enemies:
Rozen
Koichi
Yotsuba Sponsor
Another USNA agent
The Whole TMC
Government officials
Blanch
Jeido

I want vol. 16 to be the Rozen arc as soon as possible but the possibility of that happening is low. If were following the same format as the past vol. We'll get something big like USNA agent again or other country's special ops.

[Aciald]

Originally Posted by pampz21

Well I doubt Jeido would be their next target as the Yotsuba want to capture Zhou because of their sponsor; but I think Maya has her plan against the sponsors.

Possible enemies:
Rozen
Koichi
Yotsuba Sponsor
Another USNA agent
The Whole TMC
Government officials
Blanch
Jeido

I want vol. 16 to be the Rozen arc as soon as possible but the possibility of that happening is low. If were following the same format as the past vol. We'll get something big like USNA agent again or other country's special ops.

Shouldn't the next arc be about the TMC selection? Not sure that really needs an specific enemy.

[Starway]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

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If anyone is interested in the next volume

Anyone else see the red in their hair or is it just me? Also I really can't tell who that last guy is I guess it's Minoru maybe he's using Parade but that seems a bit weird that he'd use it just to change his hair colour when he's meeting tatsuya maybe he's using parade on the cover and he's really blond.

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

The black hole thing is a possibility...But Tatsuya has to cause an object's gravity to collapse on itself or he has to distort gravity....

Fujin, I agree with you. And, I think, it is one of possible abilities that the author can pursue with Tatsuya because USNA tried to duplicate Tatsuya's Material Bust and accidently created black hole, so Tatsuya's ability may hold a key to create either dimensional magic or gravity magic.

However, I doubt, the author would have opportunity to venture into this field during the high school years. Tatsuya is not finished with his new offensive magic, Baryon Lance, yet. And, non-gravitational nuclear reactor is also far from being finished.

Originally Posted by Iramohs

In the pics we've seen as him he has a lighter hair color but that could be due to Parade. I definitely think it's Minoru seeing as his power is supposed to rival those two and he's helping with the Traditionalists in volume 14.

Minoru's Parade is different from Angie's Parade.
Minoru's Parade creates an illusion just like Minoru; at least, his parade from vol. 14 described in this way. I assume, he does not have to conceal his identity through Parade unlike Angie.

Originally Posted by somerand

Considering that the TMC selection is meant to be at like the start of the third year I'm guessing that will be the next arc. If I had to take a guess at the next antagonist it would either be one of the not yet introduced master clans that could make a move against the Yotsuba during the selection or the Saegusa vs Yotsuba clash will begin and they will be the enemies although they wouldn't really be "Villains".

I doubt it. Based on comments from Erika during the Visitor Arc, noticeable families are Saegusa, Juumonji, Yotsuba, and Ichijou. So, I would not think, there would be another families showing up to challenge Yotsuba. "Koichi vs. Yotsuba" has been going on since beginning, so 10MC selection Arc could be "Yotsuba vs. Saegusa and its allies".

In vol. 14, Yotsuba did not influence the military while Tatsuya was marked by the military intelligence division, and Maya purposely sent Kuroba twins to Tatsuya while they were being followed. Later, Maya even allows Tatsuya to cooperate with any other 10MC for catching Zhou. I think, Maya may change the tactics with Tatsuya from hiding his identity to disclosing his identity at least with 10MC.

Having WMD provides a lot of power and influence, but it is only possible if others know, one has WMD. Maybe, the story is going into the direction where other existing 27 families are standing against Yotsuba during the election, so Maya may be setting up the stage where other families cannot vote against Yotsuba.

[expertsource]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

Fujin, I agree with you. And, I think, it is one of possible abilities that the author can pursue with Tatsuya because USNA tried to duplicate Tatsuya's Material Bust and accidently created black hole, so Tatsuya's ability may hold a key to create either dimensional magic or gravity magic.

However, I doubt, the author would have opportunity to venture into this field during the high school years. Tatsuya is not finished with his new offensive magic, Baryon Lance, yet. And, non-gravitational nuclear reactor is also far from being finished.




Minoru's Parade is different from Angie's Parade.
Minoru's Parade creates an illusion just like Minoru; at least, his parade from vol. 14 described in this way. I assume, he does not have to conceal his identity through Parade unlike Angie.




I doubt it. Based on comments from Erika during the Visitor Arc, noticeable families are Saegusa, Juumonji, Yotsuba, and Ichijou. So, I would not think, there would be another families showing up to challenge Yotsuba. "Koichi vs. Yotsuba" has been going on since beginning, so 10MC selection Arc could be "Yotsuba vs. Saegusa and its allies".

In vol. 14, Yotsuba did not influence the military while Tatsuya was marked by the military intelligence division, and Maya purposely sent Kuroba twins to Tatsuya while they were being followed. Later, Maya even allows Tatsuya to cooperate with any other 10MC for catching Zhou. I think, Maya may change the tactics with Tatsuya from hiding his identity to disclosing his identity at least with 10MC.

Having WMD provides a lot of power and influence, but it is only possible if others know, one has WMD. Maybe, the story is going into the direction where other existing 27 families are standing against Yotsuba during the election, so Maya may be setting up the stage where other families cannot vote against Yotsuba.

i don't think it's going to be yotsuba against saegusa because koichi already stopped his actions, and now he is trying to hide it. Saegusa in defense now. in volume 15 we have unity of possibly next and youth leaders; tatsuya, minoru, ichijo. Therefore, we will see this unity and yotsuba VS zhou, his master and from under saegusa and their allies.

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

Fujin, I agree with you. And, I think, it is one of possible abilities that the author can pursue with Tatsuya because USNA tried to duplicate Tatsuya's Material Bust and accidently created black hole, so Tatsuya's ability may hold a key to create either dimensional magic or gravity magic.

However, I doubt, the author would have opportunity to venture into this field during the high school years. Tatsuya is not finished with his new offensive magic, Baryon Lance, yet. And, non-gravitational nuclear reactor is also far from being finished.

I don't think a space/time magic is possible for Tatsuya, he is good at decomposing and restoring Eidos. A space/time magic would be linked systematic magic, and he sucks at systematic magic.

Minoru's Parade is different from Angie's Parade.
Minoru's Parade creates an illusion just like Minoru; at least, his parade from vol. 14 described in this way. I assume, he does not have to conceal his identity through Parade unlike Angie.

But you can change the parameters of Parade all you want, Lina can do this too, at least that's what I understood when there was a comparison with Yakumo's Matoi. They didn't talk about his hair color in volume 14?

I doubt it. Based on comments from Erika during the Visitor Arc, noticeable families are Saegusa, Juumonji, Yotsuba, and Ichijou. So, I would not think, there would be another families showing up to challenge Yotsuba. "Koichi vs. Yotsuba" has been going on since beginning, so 10MC selection Arc could be "Yotsuba vs. Saegusa and its allies".

She was talking about the families with influence in their area, the other clans are prestigious but don't have much influence in the capital.

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by expertsource

i don't think it's going to be yotsuba against saegusa because koichi already stopped his actions, and now he is trying to hide it. Saegusa in defense now. in volume 15 we have unity of possibly next and youth leaders; tatsuya, minoru, ichijo. Therefore, we will see this unity and yotsuba VS zhou, his master and from under saegusa and their allies.

Saegusa Koichi didn't stop his action.
We do not know what he has been doing after the death of Nakura.
We will have to wait for vol. 15 to confirm how this Arc would end, but don't you think, he would prepare another way to kill Zhou? If Nakura was his only asset that he can rely on, it would be sad.

Originally Posted by Echizen777

I don't think a space/time magic is possible for Tatsuya, he is good at decomposing and restoring Eidos. A space/time magic would be linked systematic magic, and he sucks at systematic magic.
But you can change the parameters of Parade all you want, Lina can do this too, at least that's what I understood when there was a comparison with Yakumo's Matoi. They didn't talk about his hair color in volume 14?
She was talking about the families with influence in their area, the other clans are prestigious but don't have much influence in the capital.

I did not say, Space/time magic. I said, dimensional magic; something like creating temporary black hole that sucks enemies' attacks or objects, and I only pointed out, it is one of possibilities that the author can pursue. He definitely has a problem with processing magic, but I also think, the story may develop for him to improve his artificial MCA. Again, I do not think, it is possible not because of his capability, but because of the time limitation. Even if the author decides to give this kind of power to Tatsuya, the author has to create an event where Tatsuya to fix his artificial MCA and create additional events where Tatsuya feels need for such magic. It is a lot of work while the story has to pick up other stuffs.

In volume 14, I did not read any physical changes on Minoru when he used parade.
It is possible, but in vol. 14, he did not change his looks with parade. I do not understand why everyone expect Minoru to change his looks with parade while his character is already designed to be good looking. lol.

I perceived Erika's comment in the form of deductive reasoning to identify the faction that Tatsuya belongs to by eliminating possible strong clans.
It is true, there may be another one that challenge Yotsuba, but "Maya vs. Koichi" has been going on for a long time, so I think, it will continue to 10MC selection without introducing other hostile clan against Yotsuba.

[fujin of shadows]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

I don't think a space/time magic is possible for Tatsuya, he is good at decomposing and restoring Eidos. A space/time magic would be linked systematic magic, and he sucks at systematic magic.

I'll disagree with this.

I think that Space/time magic could be attain through the combination of Decomposition and Regrowth.

Just imagine if Tatsuya simultaneously decomposing and repairing space at the same time. That would cause a distortion of sort, a warp space, a wormhole....

Side note, do you think Tatsuya could make a spell similar to Kiritsugu Emiya's origin bullet....A spell that could strip a magician of his/her capabilities of using magic....

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by fujin of shadows

Side note, do you think Tatsuya could make a spell similar to Kiritsugu Emiya's origin bullet....A spell that could strip a magician of his/her capabilities of using magic....

I think, we can discuss this at magic & technology section.
But, if I may, I think, the author has been using ideas from many existing light novels including type moon's work, so I wouldn't say, it is impossible. However, Tatsuya does not have ability similar to Miya. If he does, maybe it is possible, but his power only affects physical parts.

[amtro]

Are we all forgetting that Tatsuya has in effect been using teleportation since vol 11? Restoring an object to a set of new coordinates sounds a lot like teleportation to me.

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by amtro

Are we all forgetting that Tatsuya has in effect been using teleportation since vol 11? Restoring an object to a set of new coordinates sounds a lot like teleportation to me.

It was Restoration magic, author said himself that Teleportation magic doesn't exist.

[expertsource]

dude, regrowth is already a time magic. he turns the time back for the thing he chooses(body or machine) and he makes it just like before. like it never get damaged. that's why it is not healing magic or something else. it is time magic for 24 hours.
now thing about it; what if he uses the regrowth for all the area constantly?
if he uses the regrowth same speed with time for area (maybe a whole city) -> it is time stop magic
if he uses the regrowth faster than the time -> he can go to the past time
actually he is not changing. the area is going back in the time.

[Liebe]

Regrowth doesn't alter time...

Regrowth works by copying a previous copy of the target's eidos and reapplying it to the target.

[Echizen777]

Originally Posted by expertsource

dude, regrowth is already a time magic. he turns the time back for the thing he chooses(body or machine) and he makes it just like before. like it never get damaged. that's why it is not healing magic or something else. it is time magic for 24 hours.
now thing about it; what if he uses the regrowth for all the area constantly?
if he uses the regrowth same speed with time for area (maybe a whole city) -> it is time stop magic
if he uses the regrowth faster than the time -> he can go to the past time
actually he is not changing. the area is going back in the time.

Regrowth is more like a copy/paste magic. It doesn't affect time.