Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by kidswable

Regarding new topic, yes they will.
The thing I could speculate is that the fight will be soon and it will involving Saegusa Koiichi.
Probably the plot will be that koiichi tell other family that yotsuba want to try to take 101 to their camp and they plot to revolt. And the yotsuba proxy is tatsuya

I won't bring ship war in here now

I'm not sure about that.

Katsuto is not a fool. And he's very logical man.

But there is some way to threathen him to join Saegusa and Kudou to fight Yotsuba.
Looks like Katsuto's father is sick, and Katsuto takes control of his family.

Originally Posted by anonfr

That does sound Valid. Tatsuya is technically Yotsuba and pro Yotsuba. Jummonji is aligned with Saegusa.

What do you mean Juumonji aligned with saegusa ?

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

I would say yes. Mainly because Katsuo's magic seemed designed by the author to counter Tatsuya's Decompositon.

I also can't help but feel like the series is setting up a future arc involving a giant manhunt against Tatsuya.

Phalanx can counter decomposition ? Mehh.
That's not counter. That's is only a bit, I repeat a bit difficult.


I'm not gonna debate about that anymore.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by hakazee

What do you mean Juumonji aligned with saegusa ?

I'm not gonna debate about that anymore.

You're not going to debate because you can't admit you're wrong? Okay. sure.

Juumonji and Saegusa families have a loose alliance based on common interest. I believe it says as much when they're talking in Volume 11 chapter 10.

It's referenced multiple other times as well. The Alliance might crumble due to Kudou's actions, but as of the last volume they're still more or less aligned.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by anonfr

You're not going to debate because you can't admit you're wrong? Okay. sure.

Originally Posted by anonfr

I agree with no one disagreeing on that part. What I was referring too was people disagreeing on Tatsuya's usual magic being unable to beat Phalanx. There's A LOT of debate over that.

Come on....

You yourself already said that Tatsuya is 100% can win from Katsuto.

You say " no one disagreeing on that part. " Right ?

Originally Posted by anonfr

Juumonji and Saegusa families have a loose alliance based on common interest. I believe it says as much when they're talking in Volume 11 chapter 10.

It's referenced multiple other times as well. The Alliance might crumble due to Kudou's actions, but as of the last volume they're still more or less aligned.

There is no reason to fight if there is no proff.

The most likely to happen is the Yotsuba being outcast from 10 MC.

I'm sure they won't Killing each other.

This series is not about fighting only.

[TonyC1994]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Come on....

You yourself already said that Tatsuya is 100% can win from Katsuto.

You say " no one disagreeing on that part. " Right ?





There is no reason to fight if there is no proff.

The most likely to happen is the Yotsuba being outcast from 10 MC.

I'm sure they won't Killing each other.

This series is not about fighting only.

Hakazee

I hope you understand that most people and me are trying to be polite and ignore your blind fanboy attitude right now. I already said I wasn't going to bother debating with you anymore because of that ignorance, that's why I didn't direct that comment towards you.

I also hate to play this card, but I'm guessing English is your second language (judging from your grammar and spelling). So you're kind of missing the points in most people's arguments, resulting in very dull and irritating debates.

As for my comment on Phalanx and Decomposition, I already I have said it multiple times that Tatsuya himself said it was the natural enemy against Decomposition. Perhaps counter was the wrong word though.

Also, I have said I believe Tatsuya might win against Katsuto. So I'm not sure why you keep acting like I'm saying he's going to lose...

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

I also hate to play this card, but I'm guessing English is your second language (judging from your grammar and spelling). So you're kind of missing the points in most people's arguments, resulting in very dull and irritating debates.

I'm sorry if my english is poor. English is my third language.
Aside from my country's National language , I do speak other language ( mandarin and hokkien dialects because I'm chinese decendant).


Actually I know that too but I'm just easy going and talk english in this forum for practice too.

I'm sorry if you feel offended because of my bad english.

Originally Posted by TonyC1994

As for my comment on Phalanx and Decomposition, I already I have said it multiple times that Tatsuya himself said it was the natural enemy against Decomposition. Perhaps counter was the wrong word though.

Also, I have said I believe Tatsuya might win against Katsuto. So I'm not sure why you keep acting like I'm saying he's going to lose...

That's it.
Counter is a very strong word.

Looks like you want to say, Katsuto's magic can Counter Tatsuya's magic.

[Guest2]

Originally Posted by BW95

That is completely irrelevant. Parasites are fundamentally different beings. Just because they can cast magic without a physical body, which is their natural state, doesn't mean humans can.

Not sure where you got this idea from if you've actually read the story. The whole vamp arc is about them being wandering human consciousnesses. Its why they integrate perfectly with magicians, why Miyuki is worried magicians are truly monsters because after she saw pixie use magic, why Tatsuya starts to ponder the location of the human mind/soul after learning bout them and why Maya wants to capture to help study the human mind.

Its a very interesting arc that has magicians questioning their place in society and their very existence. Alot of close bonding was seen between the main circle of friends, and we see Tatsuya relying more on his friends and showing more concern for others among his fiends and even his schoolmates like the unfortunate contestant from the v4 mirage bat disaster.

V9 -

Spoiler for The nature of the mind:

"We USNA magic researchers believe that the brain is not an independent thinking organ; the real thinking core is the Pushion Information Body; the brain’s role is to receive the information sent from the so-called 'mind', and the communication organ transmits the information of the body to the mind. Although still in the theoretical stage, the possibility is very high."

V9 -

Spoiler for The nature of all spirits including the vamps:

"I see you connected the dots. What modern magicians refer to as Spiritual Beings are legitimately 'creatures from another world'."
This was indeed a blind spot. Tatsuya focused on Yakumo as he continued to explain.
"Ah, conscious thought and self-awareness are both secondary. Bacteria does not have consciousness or self-awareness, but it is able to enter the human body and affect the operations of the human body enough to impact health. In addition, they even have the incomplete ability to self-replicate. However, even if they don’t fulfill the requirements of a 'living creature' at the intellectual level, that’s not enough to deny that they are 'living creatures' with the ability to infect the human body."
"You are saying that Spiritual Beings – nothing more than isolated spirit bodies removed from physical phenomena also qualify as 'creatures not of this world'?"
"Strictly speaking, they are more like creatures who do not possess a physical body. In addition, has anyone proven that spirits do not possess thought of their own?"
"...It is true that no one has done that. On the other hand, I know of one person who might."
Furthermore, Tatsuya had personally beheld that friend of his manipulating spirits right in front of him. In comparison to receiving orders and having the spirit decide on their own, it made more sense that the entire process was incorporated inside the Magic Sequence and the spirit possessed consciousness of its own.
"Master, may I ask another question?
"Go ahead."
"Modern magic believes that a Spiritual Being is an information body isolated within the information dimension from its natural phenomena. Since it originated from natural phenomena, it is possible to use Magic Sequences to recreate the original effect. This is the current theory behind Spiritual Magic."
"Pretty much. Modern magic is truly impressive if it’s capable of coming up with this kind of theory."
"Then, for the parasites that latch onto the spectral forms of human beings and cause mutations, where do their information bodies come from?"
After hearing Mikihiko’s words, Tatsuya suspected that Parasites were information bodies that could affect the human Eidos. Yakumo’s allusion to bacteria and diseases only served to deepen that impression.
"Parasites...what an English way of putting it. Alas, I am unaware of where these information bodies originate. Given that they are able to affect human spirit, I would imagine they came from a similar origin."
"Information bodies from the human spirit...."
"I believe, regardless of whether the monster comes in humanoid or beast form, the only thing that can cause the living creatures of this world to alter in such a fashion must come from demons originating from spirit information bodies. Afterwards, just as how the physical manifestation of these spirits have one step in our world and the alternate shadow of this world, demons originating from the spirit also straddle the mental landscape and the aether. The reason that spiritual encounters are infrequent is not because they don’t exist, but because we are not equipped with the ability to observe the human spirit. While this line of thinking would definitely be heresy in the eyes of London, these are my true feelings on the matter."

V10 -

Spoiler for Tatsuya pondering the mysteries of the mind:

(Based on the identification system of the Ancient Magic practitioners, we should be correct in that the real identity of the "vampire" is actually a "Parasite".)
(According to sensei’s hypothesis, there is a good chance that Parasites are formed from the independent information bodies splintered off from the human psyche.)
(Shizuku’s information on the USNA’s miniature black hole experiment being the catalyst also seems trustworthy.)
(In that case, this incident was caused by information bodies invading from an alternate dimension…… Was my theory spot on?)
(The problem is the connection, or lack thereof, between the information bodies invading from another dimension and the information bodies formed by the activity of the human psyche.)
(The bottom line is, where is the true form of the "psyche"? Another dimension? A higher dimension? Or even "nowhere"?)
(In that case, then where is the Idea? The Eidos?)
Noticing that he was drifting into a cognitive dead end, Tatsuya slightly shook his head and tried to reorganize his thoughts.
(There are two possibilities.)
(First, Parasites invaded from an alternate dimension.)
(Second, uncontrolled energy trickled in from another dimension and stimulated the previously dormant Parasites that dwelt in this world.)
(Lastly, so long as the Parasite – well, given our lack of knowledge on the real identity of the independent information body derived from the activity of the human psyche, this is about as far as we can go, eh.)
(Given that premise, what I should be considering is how to discover and deconstruct it.)
(If the information body came from the psyche, there is a high chance that its composition is made up of pushions.)
(So considering my capabilities, there are still enemies that I cannot decompose even if I can perceive them, eh……)

V10 -

Spoiler for Miyuki wondering if magicians are truly monsters:

"From a fundamental perspective, magic and super powers are one and the same. Onii-sama knows this better than anyone else when it comes down to theory or practical application."
"I think knowing that better than anyone else may be a stretch…… But go on."
"Parasites – demons also know how to use magic. When comparing the magic they use with the ones we cast, there is nothing different besides the procedure."
"True."
Miyuki’s hands were tightly clasped on top of her knees, but she suddenly twisted around towards Tatsuya. Placing her hands in the space between Tatsuya and herself, she leaned forward towards Tatsuya.
Her eyes were filled with unease.
"I have been wondering whether that’s…… the result of demons possessing Magicians. Was the demon using the Magician’s mind to cast magic?"
Terror lay in the depths of that unease.
"Yet, after seeing the power Pixie used and Onii-sama’s ensuing explanation, I have found that I am in error."
"Are you referring to the psychokinesis from that time?"
"Yes."
There was another lull before the conversation resumed. Miyuki was afraid of verbalizing the rest. She was terrified of the idea that her theory would be reinforced if she transformed her speculation into words. That was the feeling Tatsuya got from her.
"Telepathy is the ability to communicate from one consciousness to another. The original Parasite that is akin to a spirit form was capable of this, so that’s nothing surprising. When I heard that she used psychokinesis to create facial expressions, I also thought nothing of that matter."
Tatsuya felt that Miyuki’s face was getting closer.
The wavering emotions in her eyes were becoming more obvious.
"Yet, that burst of psychokinesis…… While rough in design that definitely still was Move-Type Magic. And that magic was activated after resonating with Honoka, right?"
"……Yes."
Tatsuya answered with some hesitation. Though that answer was a little dubious, Tatsuya was practically certain that the phenomenon between Honoka and Pixie was nearly the same as what could happen between those with close blood ties, much like the "resonance" rarely observed in Magicians who are identical twins – a phenomenon that occurred when the magic calculation area of one of them is stimulated, the other one’s magic calculation area becomes more active as well.
"3H…… As a machine, it does not have the power to wield magic. However, Pixie’s psychokinesis was not the power of the host, but a power that came from the monster, the Parasite."
Miyuki lowered her head when she finished. Immediately, she brought her eyes back to him as if she was about to break into tears.
"Since magic is practically the same as psychokinesis, does that mean demons have the same power that we Magicians do?"
Tatsuya finally understood the root of his sister’s unease.
"Why is magic called magic? ……Could it be that our power originated from them?"
Miyuki’s face drew even closer.
She was close enough that he could feel her breathing. At this time, Tatsuya stood up from the bed.
Superficially, he looked to be avoiding Miyuki, but the reality was far different.
Kneeling in front of Miyuki, Tatsuya caught Miyuki’s eyes.
"Miyuki….. You’re overthinking this."
Miyuki rotated her soft, flexible body and used her arms to support her leaning body. She took in Tatsuya’s gaze – and stored it within her heart.
Gently taking hold of his sister’s shoulders, Tatsuya gradually shifted his sister’s leaning body to the proper position bit by bit.
"While magic is referred to as the 'law of demons' in Japan, the word magic in English contains the connotation for 'ability of sages'."
Miyuki gave a small "ah" sound.
"As to where the power of magic came from, that is currently unknown. Magic Sequences rewrite other information bodies to bring about phenomenon alteration, and though we understand this system, exactly why is this change possible and why the magic calculation area in the human subconscious is able to do so are still enigmas."
Tatsuya wore the confused expression of a master berating a student making a mental error despite being more talented than himself as he smiled.
"For that matter, we cannot even guarantee that magic is something created by Magicians. It would be too great a leap in logic to say that since demons can use magic, then there must be a connection between Magicians and demons."
"That’s true……"
"Furthermore, the real identity of the Parasite could be said to be independent information bodies that originated from the human psyche. Since they came from the human consciousness, then its power should come from humans. It would be far more appropriate to say the power of demons come from humans instead of saying that the power of Magicians come from demons."

Its pretty clear here the brain is not a required component for magic. The sorcery booster and Cads might require brain cells to translate signals for enhancing magic, but thats just when enhancing magic. On the other hand, humans require a functioning brain to live and magicians definitely always unconsciously use their brain signals to help them cast magic more easily, since they use the 5 senses for targetting as very few have Elemental sight.

[Lucarion]

I have a feeling there's going to be a "vampire epidemic" at some point in this world's future. It'd be really interesting if there was...

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by Guest2

Its pretty clear here the brain is not a required component for magic. The sorcery booster and Cads might require brain cells to translate signals for enhancing magic, but thats just when enhancing magic. On the other hand, humans require a functioning brain to live and magicians definitely always unconsciously use their brain signals to help them cast magic more easily, since they use the 5 senses for targetting as very few have Elemental sight.

Ahahah that's Cool.
Thanks for your explaination.

Now I'm sure, Tatsuya's regrowth will work even though his head is destroyed.
Since his auto restoration is blindingly fast.

Omg he's nearly immortal now. Ops not immortal, but he can't be killed anymore.

[CatRules]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Ahahah that's Cool.
Thanks for your explaination.

Now I'm sure, Tatsuya's regrowth will work even though his head is destroyed.
Since his auto restoration is blindingly fast.

Omg he's nearly immortal now. Ops not immortal, but he can't be killed anymore.

not so fast bro, let's see how effective regrowth would be against Yotsuba's mental interference magics.



p.s. and there's still mental exhaustion and disturbance cause by being hit with magic(Regrowth won't work on the dead, so if it didn't activate in time, it's still the end.)

p.s.2 now I stumble on some question: Why regrowth won't work on the dead?
Perhaps the connection between spirit(spiritual body/pushion-based) and body(Eidos/Psion-based) was severed?

[Echizen777]

I won't try to guess where magic comes from, I remember I got headaches as well.

Magic works almost always on the physical realm and for humans the brain is a sort of link to help magicians IMO.
-Regrowth works only the physical realm. If Tatsuya's body is injured or something it works but the brain is necessary.

To beat the parasites Tatsuya creates Far Strike, a move which isn't very effective on the physical body excepted persons who use magic/psychic powers to control their body. He would use it on someone like Leo or Miyuki it would be useless.

On the spiritual realm, we are kept alive by our soul and on the physical realm we have the vital points. Tatsuya can survive a shot on the heart but if his brain is damaged or can't work properly he will die, his soul isn't powerful enough to cast a magic, he would need his brain. If the brain wasn't important, they would haven't performed surgery on him. In the Reminiscence arc Tatsuya hadn't even perfected Regrowth.

Originally Posted by CatRules

not so fast bro, let's see how effective regrowth would be against Yotsuba's mental interference magics.



p.s. and there's still mental exhaustion and disturbance cause by being hit with magic(Regrowth won't work on the dead, so if it didn't activate in time, it's still the end.)

p.s.2 now I stumble on some question: Why regrowth won't work on the dead?
Perhaps the connection between spirit(spiritual body/pushion-based) and body(Eidos/Psion-based) was severed?

Well, if you die your soul is separated from your body and if you have no soul, your vital functions stop. A body without his soul is just a mass of flesh.

[BW95]

Originally Posted by hakazee

No, I'm tallking about Mist Dispersion not Gram demolition.

Okay from now I will use Mist Dispersal or Mist Dispersion.


Magic Dissolution is one of the two strongest Counter Magics within Non-Systematic Magic. This magic takes a Magic Sequence and decomposes it into a group of Psion particles without a meaningful structure.


Phalanx only has Single Magic sequence. It is one Spell even though it can has many Layers.
Mist Dispersion decompose the magic sequence not Phalanx's layers.

Mist Dispersion only affects physical targets. You're talking about Gram Dispersal.

Originally Posted by Guest2

Not sure where you got this idea from if you've actually read the story. The whole vamp arc is about them being wandering human consciousnesses. Its why they integrate perfectly with magicians, why Miyuki is worried magicians are truly monsters because after she saw pixie use magic, why Tatsuya starts to ponder the location of the human mind/soul after learning bout them and why Maya wants to capture to help study the human mind.

Its a very interesting arc that has magicians questioning their place in society and their very existence. Alot of close bonding was seen between the main circle of friends, and we see Tatsuya relying more on his friends and showing more concern for others among his fiends and even his schoolmates like the unfortunate contestant from the v4 mirage bat disaster.

Its pretty clear here the brain is not a required component for magic. The sorcery booster and Cads might require brain cells to translate signals for enhancing magic, but thats just when enhancing magic. On the other hand, humans require a functioning brain to live and magicians definitely always unconsciously use their brain signals to help them cast magic more easily, since they use the 5 senses for targetting as very few have Elemental sight.

This doesn't mean anything, which is my point. According to these quotes, parasites were originally just pushion information bodies composed of the remnants of human psyches, basically the pushion waves given off by living humans like when Honoka's feelings baked themselves into Pixie. They are not human ghosts. Furthermore, they couldn't do jack squat until they received an influx of energy from the black hole experiment. Even if you consider the bold, parasites never had a physical body to begin with and are not attached to physical phenomena unlike humans. When human bodies cease to function, they die. Soul and all. It's not like they stick around as ghosts. This is my point. However much parasites and magicians are related, it can't be denied that magicians aare dependent on a physical body. Therefore, there is no guarantee that Tatsuya can survive death.

Also, I just remembered, but Tatsuya's inability to save Honami proves that his Regrowth doesn't work on the soul or spirit. Her life force was used up and not even Regrowth could restore it. If Tatsuya's brain is destroyed, he's dead no matter how you dice it. Honami's case proves that even if his Regrowth activated, it couldn't bring him back to life.

Originally Posted by Lucarion

I have a feeling there's going to be a "vampire epidemic" at some point in this world's future. It'd be really interesting if there was...

Somewhat unlikely considering the political heat the USNA suffered when the whole vampire arc happened.

Originally Posted by CatRules

not so fast bro, let's see how effective regrowth would be against Yotsuba's mental interference magics.

p.s. and there's still mental exhaustion and disturbance cause by being hit with magic(Regrowth won't work on the dead, so if it didn't activate in time, it's still the end.)

p.s.2 now I stumble on some question: Why regrowth won't work on the dead?
Perhaps the connection between spirit(spiritual body/pushion-based) and body(Eidos/Psion-based) was severed?

1. That's a pretty good point. Regrowth has been proven to not affect the spirit so it wouldn't help him against mental interference magic. Mitsugu's Poison Bees could kill him if it could hit him.

2. Perhaps it's because Tatsuya cannot perceive pushion information bodies, but they're different from the Eidos so I'm not sure his Regrowth is applicable. Possibly.

[Echizen777]

I just thought about something. Tatsuya said to Honoka that he is a human missing a part of his soul.
Could it mean that his other strong emotions are wandering in the Idea?

[BW95]

Originally Posted by Echizen777

I just thought about something. Tatsuya said to Honoka that he is a human missing a part of his soul.
Could it mean that his other strong emotions are wandering in the Idea?

No. They were erased. So the part of him that produced those emotions no longer exists.

[Guest2]

Originally Posted by CatRules

p.s.2 now I stumble on some question: Why regrowth won't work on the dead?
Perhaps the connection between spirit(spiritual body/pushion-based) and body(Eidos/Psion-based) was severed?

This I believe is the question that needs to be asked. At what point does a person die from physical injury in this world? Tatsuya has stated fatal injuries would be instantly healed, even if half his body is destroyed. Is it definite if the brain is destroyed one immediately crosses the threshold of death in this world. Or is there a time lag inbetween that Tatsuya’s magic may still react fast enough to restore his body before that threshold is crossed.

Originally Posted by Echizen777

I won't try to guess where magic comes from, I remember I got headaches as well.
On the spiritual realm, we are kept alive by our soul and on the physical realm we have the vital points. Tatsuya can survive a shot on the heart but if his brain is damaged or can't work properly he will die, his soul isn't powerful enough to cast a magic, he would need his brain. If the brain wasn't important, they would haven't performed surgery on him. In the Reminiscence arc Tatsuya hadn't even perfected Regrowth.

There was no mention of any actual physical surgery carried out on him. His mother used mental interference magic which works on a person’s mind, which Miyuki explained in v8 was not an actual physical location in the body. There was no mention of any surgery done on his actual brain. I believe the brain is still very important and always used by magicians when using magic, it’s just not integral.

Originally Posted by BW95

This doesn't mean anything, which is my point. According to these quotes, parasites were originally just pushion information bodies composed of the remnants of human psyches, basically the pushion waves given off by living humans like when Honoka's feelings baked themselves into Pixie. They are not human ghosts. Furthermore, they couldn't do jack squat until they received an influx of energy from the black hole experiment. Even if you consider the bold, parasites never had a physical body to begin with and are not attached to physical phenomena unlike humans. When human bodies cease to function, they die. Soul and all. It's not like they stick around as ghosts. This is my point. However much parasites and magicians are related, it can't be denied that magicians aare dependent on a physical body. Therefore, there is no guarantee that Tatsuya can survive death.

No they are not pushion wave like feelings, Tatsuya’s and Yakumo’s conversation explains spirits are sentient cross dimensional beings. Remnants of human psyche more likely means wandering minds that have separated from their physical bodies. Yakumo even went on to state the reason why there are not more encounters when there is so much death around. Simply because humans are incapable of perceiving them/the dimension they are in and the dimension the human soul resides.

Originally Posted by BW95

Also, I just remembered, but Tatsuya's inability to save Honami proves that his Regrowth doesn't work on the soul or spirit. Her life force was used up and not even Regrowth could restore it. If Tatsuya's brain is destroyed, he's dead no matter how you dice it. Honami's case proves that even if his Regrowth activated, it couldn't bring him back to life.

You’re mixing 2 different things up here. We don’t know for sure yet if a person instantly dies when the brain is destroyed in this world. There was nothing wrong with Honami’s brain or body, she had used up her already shortened life force, a mind/pushion body related thing. She was basically finished and Tatsuya’s magic didn’t work, but she was still alive and talking to him for a while despite his magic already failing.

Originally Posted by BW95

2. Perhaps it's because Tatsuya cannot perceive pushion information bodies, but they're different from the Eidos so I'm not sure his Regrowth is applicable. Possibly.

Tatsuya can definitely perceive them, he confirmed this. What he cannot do is affect them using his innate decomposition and restoration magics as he has zero mental interference magic talent, unlike his mother and sister.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Come on....

You yourself already said that Tatsuya is 100% can win from Katsuto.

You say " no one disagreeing on that part. " Right ?

Yeah I don't disagree that Tatsuya is 80% probable to win against Katsuo.

But that's that and this is this. This being, whether Phalanx can counter Decomposition magic, which the answer is Yes, it can.

You keep insisting Tatsuya can destroy spells, but none of his magic actually does that directly. His spells attack the information body of edions and psions in his opponents spells, either dispersing them into useless information, rewriting them into useless information, or decomposing the physical target into nothingness. That's how tatsuya destroys spells.

He doesn't just have a magical Spell-be-gone that makes all spells literally useless. He has to be able to aim and target the information body directly, and the problem with phalanx is that the information is dense. It's just once spell but each individual barrier carries its each own individual information. Basically, as soon as one is rewritten there's another to replace it, so on and so forth.

That's the only thing I'm debating. Because you insist that Gram Dispersal, Gram Demolition, Mist despersal or whatever can accomplish something out of their parameters. I just don't understand what makes you so convinced.

Personally I'm more curious about the applications of Tatsuya Falcon punching Katsuo in the face. Like he puts his healing factor on overdrive, wraps him arm in mist dispersal Like he did when that exhibit was attacked, maybe even wraps his arm him gram demolition like totsuka, and literally punches through Phalanx shounen hero style. I'm really curious about this. like REALLY curious.

Okay Hakazee if you're still around bear with me on this. We're done talking about the theoretical applications of Phalanx and Decomposition magic. Theoretically Tatsuya can't undo Phalanx from a distance. But let's think about the practical applications. This is something I'm a little sketchy on, but from what I remember, When Katsuo used Phalanx it basically placed an infinite forcefield around him, then he just mowed everyone down like the fucking juggernaut stampeding everything.
but the hypothetical problem is Phalanx sets a barrier around Katsuo within a set boundary. So the problem is Tatsuya can't undo it from a distance. So what if he didn't? What if Tatsuya outted the fact he had flashcast, took Phalanx head on and then broke through that set boundary, leaving Katsuo open to take a physical ninja beating. What do you think of that?

and please don't just respond "Oh that'd never work" I'm aware that it would probably never work, you horrible dream killer. But Wouldn't it be so awesome if it could? If it did? If the author says "fuck logic, this scene needs to happen"?!

[Hokoga]

Originally Posted by BW95

No. They were erased. So the part of him that produced those emotions no longer exists.

I always wonder if there is a magician out there who could replace them, kinda like installing new software.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by Hokoga

I always wonder if there is a magician out there who could replace them, kinda like installing new software.

I always wondered that too. I mean. When you think about it logically, within the rules of this crazy magical world, it stands to reason that there could be someone capable of doing that. Hypothetically speaking at least. I mean tatsuya already broke flight magic which was thought impossible, he's working on breaking the impossible nuclear reactor, and mental interference magic has such a lack of understanding no one even debates what's possible and what's not, because who knows?

So, I share your curiosity.

[HypeDemolition]

I wonder if he even wants his emotions back, with all his past experiences it would probably break him if he regained them completely. On top of all that, I don't think he'd be half the magician he is now if he had his emotions because he'd lose his best asset which was his ability to stay calm and think logically in almost any situation.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by CatRules

not so fast bro, let's see how effective regrowth would be against Yotsuba's mental interference magics.

Don't worry. forget about regrowth.
just use Counter Magic. Tatsuya's Counter magic is the best.

Super Effective Tatsuya the Ultimate Anti-Magician

mental interference magic is Outer Systematic Magic.

The magic Mitsugu used to bury the vampires was of his own devising. Bearing the tasteless name "Poisoned Bees" that he applied himself, it was a sensory interference spell that increased the target’s pain perception infinitely until death. In this regard, if the target was someone who had a high pain threshold and was able to employ Counter Magic before the shock led to death then the spell would unravel, and there wasn’t any effect on opponents who could cut off their pain sensors.

Originally Posted by CatRules

p.s. and there's still mental exhaustion and disturbance cause by being hit with magic(Regrowth won't work on the dead, so if it didn't activate in time, it's still the end.)

p.s.2 now I stumble on some question: Why regrowth won't work on the dead?
Perhaps the connection between spirit(spiritual body/pushion-based) and body(Eidos/Psion-based) was severed?

forget about that.......

because Tatsuya said "You should know that no one is capable of leaving a mark on me."

"Please, I’m asking you to settle down a little."

Having someone feel concern over him was something worth cheering about, but there was no way to converse if she could not calm down.

"You should know that no one is capable of leaving a mark on me."

Originally Posted by anonfr

Yeah I don't disagree that Tatsuya is 80% probable to win against Katsuo.

But that's that and this is this. This being, whether Phalanx can counter Decomposition magic, which the answer is Yes, it can.

You keep insisting Tatsuya can destroy spells, but none of his magic actually does that directly. His spells attack the information body of edions and psions in his opponents spells, either dispersing them into useless information, rewriting them into useless information, or decomposing the physical target into nothingness. That's how tatsuya destroys spells.

He doesn't just have a magical Spell-be-gone that makes all spells literally useless. He has to be able to aim and target the information body directly, and the problem with phalanx is that the information is dense. It's just once spell but each individual barrier carries its each own individual information. Basically, as soon as one is rewritten there's another to replace it, so on and so forth.

That's the only thing I'm debating. Because you insist that Gram Dispersal, Gram Demolition, Mist despersal or whatever can accomplish something out of their parameters. I just don't understand what makes you so convinced.

Personally I'm more curious about the applications of Tatsuya Falcon punching Katsuo in the face. Like he puts his healing factor on overdrive, wraps him arm in mist dispersal Like he did when that exhibit was attacked, maybe even wraps his arm him gram demolition like totsuka, and literally punches through Phalanx shounen hero style. I'm really curious about this. like REALLY curious.

Okay Hakazee if you're still around bear with me on this. We're done talking about the theoretical applications of Phalanx and Decomposition magic. Theoretically Tatsuya can't undo Phalanx from a distance. But let's think about the practical applications. This is something I'm a little sketchy on, but from what I remember, When Katsuo used Phalanx it basically placed an infinite forcefield around him, then he just mowed everyone down like the fucking juggernaut stampeding everything.
but the hypothetical problem is Phalanx sets a barrier around Katsuo within a set boundary. So the problem is Tatsuya can't undo it from a distance. So what if he didn't? What if Tatsuya outted the fact he had flashcast, took Phalanx head on and then broke through that set boundary, leaving Katsuo open to take a physical ninja beating. What do you think of that?

and please don't just respond "Oh that'd never work" I'm aware that it would probably never work, you horrible dream killer. But Wouldn't it be so awesome if it could? If it did? If the author says "fuck logic, this scene needs to happen"?!

okay okay i agree.

Katsuto's Phalanx can COUNTER Tatsuya's Decomposition.

Tatsuya can never destroy Phalanx with his Decomposition. Right ?

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by hakazee

Don't worry. forget about regrowth.
just use Counter Magic. Tatsuya's Counter magic is the best.

Super Effective Tatsuya the Ultimate Anti-Magician

mental interference magic is Outer Systematic Magic.








forget about that.......

because Tatsuya said "You should know that no one is capable of leaving a mark on me."








okay okay i agree.

Katsuto's Phalanx can COUNTER Tatsuya's Decomposition.

Tatsuya can never destroy Phalanx with his Decomposition. Right ?

Yeah but... I wanted you to reply to the second part.. You know like the epic shounen punch.. just.. forget it..