2011-01-05, 20:05 | Link #11101 |
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pls summarize this for us non-chinese speakers
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2011-01-05, 20:15 | Link #11102 | |
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Besides my personal dislike of fish (I think I eat too much of it, thanks to Mom), I guess I'm keenly aware of the fishing crisis. (Can't even remember the last time I ate tuna in a family setting, aka not around with colleagues or friends) Point is: people's habits have to change. Tuna lovers have to recognise that they must cut back on their demand, or there won't be any left.
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2011-01-05, 20:25 | Link #11103 | ||
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2011-01-05, 20:25 | Link #11104 |
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My knee-jerk reaction to a Chinese F-22 would be to blame the Clinton Administration for all those tech trades in the 1990s.
Purely reactionary response however without anything else.
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2011-01-05, 20:41 | Link #11105 |
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It doesn't look anything like an F-22. It has some shared gen 5 features, but it's a larger aircraft that clearly shows Chinese design trends. The wing layout for example, has more in common with a J-10 than an F-22. The size would suggest that it's also designed for a different role, likely an interceptor or strike aircraft vs an air superiority fighter. I'd expect an F-22 or a PAK-FA to rip the thing apart in air to air combat. Though it'd be interesting how it compares in air to air combat vs an F-35.
When I first saw pictures, I thought of this: Which raises the question of how long before Clint Eastwood steals it.
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2011-01-05, 20:42 | Link #11106 |
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I don't know. Avionics ???, flight computers ???, and no thrust vectoring using this design... is it actually an advancement to their Su-27 rip offs? I mean just because something does look like stealth technology doesn't mean it 1) flys 2) is stealthy 3) can utilize the stealthiness 4) is maneuverable. Maybe I am just pessimistic here, but I don't think they are that far in their own aircraft research/development yet. Imo the stealth factor is overrated, even the F22 in a simulated BVRAAM attack (Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile) was visible for counter meassures of previous generation Eurofighters. I guess whats more important is cruise speed, range of aircraft, costs and attack/counter meassures.
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2011-01-05, 20:57 | Link #11108 | |
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this sounds... dismissive this leak, should make east asians under US protectorate tremble in fear! also, those new dong fengs have enougjh range to keep US fleet out of philippines |
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2011-01-05, 21:08 | Link #11110 |
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Considering in the article you linked the Department of Defense was dismissive of the new fighter as well for the reasoning that the Chinese haven,t gotten a handle on their fourth generation fighters much less fifth generation.
One the Americans, Europeans, and likely Russians still have a technological edge on the Chinese and two, have numerical superiority with the most modern jets.
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2011-01-05, 21:09 | Link #11111 | ||
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In other news... Christchurch laughs off bid by Hobart to poach Antarctic service http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=10698084 Quote:
As in, THIS Peter Garrett!? Julia Gillard, bad choice... And, FYI... http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...to+ross+island Christchurch, New Zealand to Ross Island: 3796 km, 4h 20m http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...to+ross+island Hobart, Tasmania to Ross Island: 3965 km, 4h 30m 10 minutes! Oh come on... The cost of moving isn't worth it anyway... Peter Garrett, dd you fail maths?
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2011-01-06, 00:05 | Link #11112 | |
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As for Stealth Fighter lookalikes, they are built to almost look the same because of one thing - a internal weapons system to reduce an imagery ping by an electronic eye. The "sleek and futuristic" designs are simply to counter imaging technologies; a stealth machine's real stealth still lies with its internalised D/ECM (Detection/Electronic Countermeasure) electronics.
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2011-01-06, 01:04 | Link #11113 | |
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From my point of view, this is most likely a feel-good project so they can get more money from the top. Most of the youtube video consists of still images, so it is too early to say anything about its capability. Rumor says that they are also developing a new engine for this plane, on which a youtube commenter sharply pointed out that there is simply no precedence of any country developing a brand new engine for a new plane. As for its significance, it merely confirms a well known trend that China is on a fast track to modernize its military. However, considering the recent tensions in east Asia, it couldn't be more ill timed. Anyway, the impact of this unveiling of next generation of jets will be quite ironic. It is very likely that the plane will fail to deliver many of its promises since it is a matter of fact that certain areas of technology is not there yet. On the other hand, the news itself will prompt other countries to allocate more resources in advancing their own air force, which only will make the gap even larger, and confrontations more fierce and devastating. In other words, totally the opposite of the effects they plan to achieve.
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2011-01-06, 01:49 | Link #11114 |
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They're being hopelessly optimistic about the development time of a 5th gen aircraft. Sure, you can do a lot better than the 20 years the US took for the F-22, but 3 years, and aren't expecting flight tests for another year yet? The US is projecting 2016 for the F-35 now, and it has production variants undergoing flight testing, and the Russians are projecting 2015 for the PAK-FA, which I suspect will be pushed back, and it's already been in flight testing for almost a year.
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2011-01-06, 01:50 | Link #11115 | |
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Starbucks gets a new face – and drops the mugs
Major rebranding will see coffee chain remove the lettering from its logo and withdraw its distinctive heavy mugs from shops http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jan/05/starbucks-rebranding-new-face-drops-mugs Quote:
1. launch of its instant coffee brand Via. What, Starbucks is so desperate, they're going into instant? After telling the world to frown and disdain instant? Goodness, that's like Willow Rosenberg losing her magic. 2. one of the problems was the "commoditisation" of the brand. Then what are you doing selling instant coffee and teabags in supermarkets? 3. big heavy mugs used in stores, which Willson-Rymer said had become a "bit dated", are being replaced with bone china Bone china? Yeah right, that was the hallmark of Starbucks - the heavy mugs lent respectability and gravitas to the coffee - bone china is more for tea (cools down faster) 4. first "walk-through" store on Borough High Street in east London, which will have no seats and will be just 17 feet wide. Hello, I go to SBUX for the ambience, ever since you people insisted on over-roasting your coffee. (Even the "how to grind your coffee" pamphlets are all WRONG: I use a french press and I find their grind TOO FINE. I might as well just boil the coffee beans) 5. revamp will make the face of the woman who appears in the logo – known as the "Starbucks siren" – bigger and dispense with the white-on-green lettering that surrounds her. Fine, the lettering was quite dated. BUT SO WAS THE SIREN! Maybe you should just have "Starbucks" in fancy handwriting. Look, I'm so nice, I'll include an example. Honestly, isn't that up to their (obviously failing) Marketing department to figure out?
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2011-01-06, 06:02 | Link #11116 |
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More than 200 Chinese children poisoned by lead
http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNew...7051LI20110106
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2011-01-06, 10:26 | Link #11117 |
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One advantage I would give to the Chinese in terms of advancing their technology is that they don't have to prove it works. They already know it works since they Americans or others are already using the technology. This is why their space program can move much faster than the American and Russian programs...they aren't using trial and error and exploring the unknown. They are copying past success so they can hit tech levels rapidly.
1. Test to see if system A works like Russian system A....check, good, move on. 2. Test to see if system B works like American system C....check, good, move on. 3. Test to see if system C works like Russian system F...no, okay step back. 4. Test to see if system C works like Russian system E...check, okay back on track....etc, etc.... Troubles happen because while they might know something works, they might not have all the little details to get things to work in total...such as the engines in this J-20's cases.
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2011-01-06, 10:45 | Link #11118 |
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PROMISES, PROMISES: GOP drops some out of the gate
If there's one thing i learn about US politics, it's that no matter who rules the House, the party in charge will always fail to keep the promise they were elected for.
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2011-01-06, 10:46 | Link #11119 | |
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