2013-01-22, 08:08 | Link #1102 |
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The Dream World was created by everyone and they ARE there. Kyousuke uses the world make Riki and Rin strong enough to survive...but the rest use the world to overcome the regrets they have before dying. Like Kud's regret for not going to her mother when shit hit the fan or Mio not having dealt with her issues with Midori properly or Komari's trauma relating to her brother.
I always assumed Kanata and everyone else that wasn't on the buss at the time of the accident (Saya aside) were simply created and as copies from the real world by whatever power that created the world in the first please (I know they created the world but the power that created such a world could have done it like that), this would also explain some of the extras or people that nobody knew about. Or maybe they were created based on everyone collective memories or something like that. I'm not sure when Kanata's route is set (before or after Refrain) but I do know that Sasami's route is set AFTER Refrain. |
2013-01-22, 09:43 | Link #1103 | |
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Speaking of the bus accident, was it a coincidence that in Rin 2 route (or whenever it happens) a bus accident happens at a nearby school? And why did Rin's progress in becoming friendlier regress so suddenly (like how she had to go to kindergarten and acted like a child)? And why did Masato start seeing himself everywhere? |
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2013-01-22, 10:02 | Link #1104 | ||
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When a loop happens Riki and Rin's memories reset, however their personalities and all other attributes don't, so she retained her broken state and Kyousuke probably set things up around that for the new loop. It was Kyousuke...remember that Kyousuke has the ability of changing that Dream World (I think he does it freely) and so he kinda put that illusion on Masato so he would eventually snap and return to how he was before meeting Kyousuke. His objective was to have Riki defeat and save Masato from himself, eventually recruiting Kengo too and then Kyousuke, which would mean he had taken Kyousuke's position in the group. |
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2013-01-22, 10:44 | Link #1105 | |
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And no,Kanata's route take place entirely in the dream world. Maybe in the real world Kanata is actually in the same class with everyone |
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2013-01-22, 14:57 | Link #1106 | |
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Is she in the same class with Riki? I dont remember it ever saying that, but if thats so, then okay. :edit: I am pretty sure that Kanata is not in Riki's class, since she never shows up in the many classroom scenes as a classmate, and when Riki first sees her he doesnt mention that shes in his class. Meaning she never was on the bus, never died, and didnt know about the Dream world. So I dont think her route could take place in the dream world if the real Kanata was never there. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-01-22 at 15:44. |
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2013-01-22, 16:47 | Link #1107 |
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It could just be a plot-hole...I mean, they made her route because of fan outcry for it but there isn't a real decent place to put it during the Dream World and after Refrain the cries of "Then Kanata is the final girl since she's romance with her happens in the Real World!" would start bombarding them.
I don't think we should think much about what is essentially a non-canon route. |
2013-01-22, 19:33 | Link #1108 | |
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This is just a wild theory. Or, it could be like Kud Wafter - an Alternate Universe route, set outside the dreamworld. I would really like the transcripts of her route.... |
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2013-01-23, 01:01 | Link #1109 | ||
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Like for example,it would be a pain for Haruka to visit Riki's classroom if Kanata always there Quote:
And to me,Kanata/Saya route is just as canon as any other heroines. |
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2013-01-23, 01:10 | Link #1110 | |
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As for what's canon and what's not...well it depends, some people believe only that in the original is canon, others believe EX to be canon as well...hell I've herd some say Kud Wafter was the true canon ending (lol...just no). Personally I'm fine with just the original and possibly Saya's route being canon, but since I haven't played Saya's yet, to me only the original is canon and the rest are just extras. |
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2013-01-23, 01:13 | Link #1111 | |
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2013-01-23, 01:18 | Link #1112 | |
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Like I said,Kanata's route happened in the dream world b4 refrain.
In refrain epilogue,Riki mentioned how Haruka seem to have make up and get along with Kanata. So Kanata's route wouldn't made any sense if it happened after refrain since the twin have already make up. Quote:
If you're still insist Kanata isn't real in their dream world then just ignore it. |
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2013-01-23, 01:25 | Link #1113 | |
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Andd theres the "theory" that her story is not canon and we're all wrong by definition. |
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2013-01-23, 01:34 | Link #1114 | |
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And I never denied any of the other ways,I don't even know where you get that idea from |
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2013-01-23, 01:48 | Link #1115 | |
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And yes, you said might for Kanata being in their class, but at least once you stated that Kanata's route is in dream world as fact. Which would mean what we had said was def wrong. Sorry if i interpreted that as "you guys are wrong and here's why". Anyway, prob means the writer didnt care and just made her story not canon. In which case i rest, theres no point to this anymore. |
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2013-01-23, 02:08 | Link #1116 |
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I don't consider any of Ex routes as non canon,I prefer to call it "untold stories".
Especially Saya's route,her route is just too good and so long(alot longer than refrain) for me to disregarded it. But of course that was just my biased opinion. |
2013-01-23, 02:26 | Link #1117 |
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Several Scenarios:
Kanata is in the same class, but choose (perhaps with the connivance of some of the LB Girls closer to her) to put herself in a different class within the dream world for Haruka's sake. I find this quite a stretch - why would Haruka sneak onto the same bus as Kanata? Secondly, Kanata herself was never in the dream world in person. The Kanata of Haruka's route is Haruka's perception of Kanata. Likewise, the Kanata in Kanata's route is the combined perception of those more sympathetic to her. Perhaps from Kud, etc.... The dilema here is then, where does this Kanata come from, and who dream her in? Thirdly, this is the only non-canonical route (but if Saya and Sasami's routes are canonical, then it's quite odd for Kanata's to be non-canonical). It could well be a What If AU scenario where Riki gets close to Kanata, and resolves the issues between the two sisters from the Kanata as opposed to the Haruka direction. In other words, Kud Wafter... (if I read the synopsis correctly, the Accident never happened in the Summer trip, and the implication then is, if the Accident never happened, Riki would have ended up with Kud, while in the Summer trip, it's probably more of a toast up between Rin and Kurugaya.) Fourth: Kanata could have somehow found her way into the dream world, via unexplained circumstances. Well, it seems that Kanata's route is the outlier here, since the other routes have plausible explanations. Another final comment: it seems that Kurugaya has the closest equivalent role among the LB Girls that Kyousuke has to the boys. Of course, she has very different personality quirks and issues, but still fill the exact same role that Kyousuke fills for the boys. |
2013-01-23, 03:20 | Link #1118 | ||
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Kanata also have drama CD that seem to have happened after her route : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT6KFFKAZjc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-y0QY55Lu8 The first vid is obviously take place after her route but in the second vid she mentioned about the upcoming school trip so it took place before the bus accident ? Quote:
....Now I just sound like I ship KyosukexKurugaya |
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2013-01-23, 06:13 | Link #1119 | |
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Of course, she could just as well have been on that bus - perhaps because Haruka sneaked onto that bus. Well.... possibly? Though, if Kurugaya's true end was really the canonical ending, then technically, it'll be Riki and Kurugaya leading the Little Busters the next year, for both their respective genders..... Sigh, we'd never get a Kurugya After, though arguably, Kud did deserve her own Afterstory too.... For some reason though, I tend to see the girls being sub-grouped more tightly in two general friendship circles, with Kurugaya, Mio and Haruka forming one circle, and Rin, Kud and Komari forming the other. I'm not sure how valid that perception is..... |
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The first one is extremely unlikely since she's got no reason to cooparte with Kyosuke and if she knows about the secret,she would have deal with Haruka's problem in a much better way. As for the second one,there's no reason for Kyosuke to bring her in.Kanata doesn't influence anything beside in Haruka's route. Quote:
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...................... I couldn't see anything but the LB boys all got whipped and Kurugaya ruling both genders Quote:
The former is the teasing/sadist group,the later is the noisy/flat chest group. |
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