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Depends on what sort of contribution. I can't think of anything really substantial for her to do and keeping her for the sake of revealing one tidbit of info is pathetic. Most of them. We have scans of her as a child and of the things with Marianne and those will come up very soon. The only time it seems things will be happening anytime will be 15. That's all the mysteries.
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2008-07-12, 00:40 | Link #1102 | |
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And she has things to contribute. Trying to point them out to you would be a waste of time. No, you said why bother keeping her after most of the mysteries of Geass are shown, therefore, Orga punched you up on that with you being wrong if she still is (which is most likely). |
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2008-07-12, 00:43 | Link #1103 | |
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I want you to. Please do so if you think there are some that are really that meaningful. Yes I said that. I don't see the point of keeping her around. If they do, I doubt she'll contribute much at all.
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2008-07-12, 00:48 | Link #1104 | |
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2008-07-12, 01:08 | Link #1107 |
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Wow. *Checks watch* I seriously cannot believe how many posts have been made in the like, 24 hours I last browsed this thread. There is no way I can possibly comment on everything I read, but I would absolutely love to.
First, everyone needs to stop taking Dann so seriously. He's got his twisted thoughts set in stone and there's no way anyone is going to untangle them. He oozes negativity about everything. Just read over his posts and do what I do most of the time, just take a sip of whatever beverage you're drinking and then chuckle a little to yourself before moving on. The one thing I really want to touch upon is the idea that's being tossed around that C.C. is a "useless" character at this point and, from the sound of some people (yeah, Dann is definitely one of them), doesn't deserve any screen time in R2. Well, to those people, I believe you are absolutely wrong. C.C. is important to the story of Code Geass for numerous reasons. Many of which are significant and other reasons that are way less significant. Just for the moment, appease me by listening to some of my reasons for saying this. The most important reason that C.C. is, well, important is because of her influence over Lelouch. Taking the whole Geass concept away and tossing it to the side for a moment, it's undeniable by anyone that C.C. doesn't have an influence on Lelouch. It seems that she sleep in the same quarters as he does and she's probably the only character who is truly comfortable around both Zero and Lelouch. Yes, Rollo and Villeta are somewhat comfortable about Lelouch out of his Zero persona, but I don't know how they would be with him in his Zero outfit. To be honest, I think Rollo's mind doesn't work in that capacity. I really think he would have trouble discerning Lelouch and Zero apart, if by the mask alone. But I digress. If Lelouch is on the fence over something and is really struggling with a choice, I think C.C. would have a very powerful voice on that decision. I also have a running theory that ties in with the Chess theory that was being bounced around a page back or so that deals with C.C. being a manipulator of A LOT. The fact she's almost like a puppeteer goes to the fact that she's the player, not the Queen. Going back to my comparisons between C.C. and Morgan le Faye. She manipulates and directs the currents of the story, even if her hand is invisible, it is surely felt. In truth, and I put this out there expecting someone to contradict me, but I think C.C. has more of an influence on Lelouch than Kallen does. My next reason for saying that C.C. is important to the story is because of the Geass. I know what Dann would have everyone believe that her portion of the Geass story is as dried up as a raisen that was left out in the sun for a month, but I disagree. She was the character that introduced us to the Geass power. She is the Geass giver that has spurred our protagonist forward throughout the entire series. Could the Geass plot continue without her? Possibly, but it would make things a hell of a lot harder for Lelouch. Keeping with the Chess analogy, this would be where C.C. acts in the Queen capacity. Her knowledge of all things Geass will be what helps Lelouch prevail once the meat of that story gets brought to the foreground. Sure, there will be things he will have to learn on his own, but there are certain things he must know going in and she is the only person that can provide them for him. And frankly, I just have to flat out disagree with Dann (I keep saying Dann's name because whenever I go to refute a negative idea, his name is always associated with it in my mind). The Geass storyline will not be summed up in one episode and, I firmly believe, it will be the greater story than Lelouch's war against Britannia. In my discussions with Var, it dawned on me that yeah, Lelouch against the Empire is a big part of the Geass story, but that's not what this show's going to boil down to. No, it's going to be Lelouch against the "gods". And like I said earlier in this thread, I'm really starting to think the gods are heavily involved with the Geass storyline, which in turn involves C.C. and V.V. Also, lastly, because like I said I can't talk about everything, I want to touch upon C.C.'s role in the Chess analogy more. Var was trying to explain it, but I think it may've been misunderstood or overlooked by some. Basically, and I agree with him wholeheartedly on the topic, C.C. is the Queen. For Ougi, for Toudou, for Kallen, for Larksharta (sp?), and for Xing-ke and for Knightmare Pilot #28, C.C. is Lelouch's Queen. She sits by him on the bridge of their ship, she co-pilots the Gawain with him, she sleeps in his quarters with him. Going along with the first reason why I think C.C. is still important. She influences him in the same manner a Queen would influence the King. To the people in the show, she is his Queen. But from our point of view, from the analytical viewer's point of view, she is the player. She is the "invisible hand of fate" (Venture Bros. fans around here? Anywhere? No?) that spurs the Order forward, that spurs Lelouch forward. She manipulates her pieces through her King, which would be Lelouch. I can't stress the idea enough that she is manipulating events behind the scenes. She is purposely telling Lelouch some things while omitting others. C.C. has a goal and we may not know what the goal is, but she's definitely working slowly towards it. Finally, I want to toss out a theory for everyone. What if C.C. and V.V. are working together? What if they both want to take down these "gods"? C.C. is clearly in communication with V.V. and Marianne (who could possibly be part of this plot, as well). I realize now I completely forgot to mention Marianne as a reason for C.C. being important, but I'm including it here now! Go me?!. Anyway, what if the two of them are manipulating their pieces (Go for more Chess analogy!) so that eventually, both the White pieces and the Black pieces will eventually turn against these gods? I really don't think it's that far fetched at all. There's a lot we don't know about C.C. and I don't think it's fair to count her out of the story just yet. To do so, would be an error in rational thinking, I'd say. P.S. Kudos to the person who mentioned that Kallen has become a Queen by graduating from Pawn! I said the same thing in the "Var/Esper Discussions". Heheheh. *Doesn't proofreads and just posts 'cause it's too long.* |
2008-07-12, 01:16 | Link #1111 |
WHERE'S...MY...COW????
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Oh, right. I forgot that. That does explain a lot. Maybe some people are tired of good people like Kallen and want the truly despicable people to be more popular.
Really though, it isn't possible to say anything good about C.C.. All she oozes is negative vibes and evil. She is nothing more than some manipulative little witch who has ruined lives.
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2008-07-12, 01:19 | Link #1112 | |
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but besides that imagineliving for so long you get sick and tired of repeating the same process of life over and over again and hopefully episode 15 will shed some life on her past to get a better understanding but really her existence up to this point has been for pure fanservice |
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2008-07-12, 01:22 | Link #1113 | |
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You become a monster which is what she is. Having a tragic past doesn't get you off scott free. She isn't probably much better than the people who have hurt her. Ultimate justice for her would probably be for Lelouch to abandon her. Maybe shoot her a few times like Mao did. Then Charles and V.V. could find her. Maybe V.V. tortures her a bit and then they sacrifice her or something. She had a sad past. Boo hoo. That gives her the right to manipulate, abandon, and toy with people like objects? My scenario is probably far too kind than what she deserves. Lelouch is a fool if he doesn't hate her. He finally woke up to the facts it seems.
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As for foreshadowing...Lelouch saying he thinks snow is pretty to C.C. in Kallen's presence, or that he will turn into a warlock if C.C. is a witch, could also be viewed as such. And it's not even that subtle. Quote:
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The blade of grass wasn't a person. Unless you plan to say Kallen transformed into the blade of grass Lelouch, Suzaku and Nunally were friends since they were small. And C.C. was also apparently present there. That is important to me. That makes me believe the writers won't kill them (as much as I am opposed to it *cough* Suzaku). Ultimately it is their story and they will be there till the end. Not that other characters have to die, so don't come and say I said that Kallen will be killed off That is how I see it anyway. Quote:
Var, your taking the time to respond to every point, made me want to ignore it rather than write back... I almost didn't reply, because it was so long...But I appreciate the way you "tear apart" each line This discussion is meant for another thread, but oh well... Last edited by Asleep; 2008-07-12 at 02:16. |
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2008-07-12, 01:57 | Link #1116 |
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ROFL then everyone in the ED is a bird because everyone has wings! Hell, she didn't even have black wings like the black birds And look properly almost everyone is chained, including Lelouch. Just like ED1 They all have wings, and are chained. Maybe it means none of them are free and long to fly.
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2008-07-12, 02:04 | Link #1119 |
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No, I mean that the wings you see with Schneizal and such are aspects of the background that are there to give the illusion they have wings. C.C. is the only one who clearly has the wings as a part of her body and it gives the impression that she is turning into a bird and being free, which is really sort of odd since she doesn't deserve it. Most people seem to believe this view on things.
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