2016-12-20, 02:34 | Link #1121 | |
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Very adorable, I do love her. But not like that; I wouldn't date her. |
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2016-12-20, 02:39 | Link #1122 | |
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Ah as for Reina, lol, well that's interesting indeed. And somehow I think I understand now.
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2016-12-20, 02:42 | Link #1123 | |
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- Kumiko has a personality that draws people towards her (Hazuki, Midori, Natsuki, Asuka, Nozomi, Taki-sensei). In the contrast, Reina has a personality that pushes people further away from her as she is seen almost as a loner. - Kumiko has a personality that wants to distant herself from those who are really close to her (Mamiko, Shuuichi). Reina has a personality that wants to bridge any distance between herself and those who are close to her (Taki-sensei, Kumiko). - Kumiko wants to follow the mass (she attempts to wear her skirt up like the popular trend that highschooler should wear it shorter). Reina wants to stray from the mass (she wants to become someone 'special') - Reina has a personality that makes her want to share things that are important (revealing that she is in love with Taki-sensei, trying to make Kumiko admit that she likes Shuuichi) to those who matter to her (i.e. Kumiko). Kumiko has a personality that makes her withheld things that are important (her admiration of her sister, her feelings for Shuuichi, her knowing about Taki-sensei's deceased wife) to those who matter to her (Mamiko, Shuuchi and Reina). - Reina is confident, straightforward and intense. Kumiko lacks confidence, a bit twisted and has a laid back personality. I am sure there are many more. These differences drew them closer because they find each other very fascinating. They are like the polar opposites of a magnet. The sensual touch was them accepting their differences and forming of a contract known as friendship, which would become something eternal.
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2016-12-20, 03:23 | Link #1124 |
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Somehow the entire worth of the series is being placed on Kumiko potentially getting hooked up with a side character in the series when the show largely has nothing to do with romance.
I'm not sure what's more pathetic, this mindset or the mere fact you fell for Kyoani's baiting tactics that were obvious to anyone paying damn attention.
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2016-12-20, 04:25 | Link #1125 |
Princess or Plunderer?
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You forgot the fact that KyoAni even devised such a way to get the viewers watching.
Personally, that's even more pathetic, considering they don't even have to go all meta with their fanbase to actually get viewers.
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2016-12-20, 06:31 | Link #1126 | ||
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On a related note, back to that last line, her statement about Taki's wife, "being dead after all", came out quite cold and inconsiderate not just toward Reina, but even and especially toward Taki, someone who opened to her, someone who displayed his full love for her wife even now. And last in contrast with the society she lives in, that if I'm not wrong is very respectful toward the dead. I found that line very contrasting in what then Reina did later. Visiting and praying at Taki's wife grave and then later playing to her was very sensible and mature, especially coming from Reina, because the first thing she had to do if she wanted to pursuit this path (Taki) was to address the elephant in the room, Taki's wife, and all the implications it may have raised within Reina herself if she hadn't. She couldn't go forward without this specific step and I appreciated the way she did it. Something I would have expected to come from Kumiko. In the end the impression I had was that Reina's way of face the problem came from/got suggested by the coldness of Kumiko's statement, like Reina felt something was wrong about that way of thinking (or it's just me ). But in the end, even reading the other posts, I think I felt that way toward Kumiko especially because I thought Asuka gave her the right push to destroy her own boundaries. So my expectations were to see a more active, supportive and direct Kumiko, a kumiko more close to the one with Asuka. But probably the point, that has been reaffirmed in these late posts by others, goes back to this: Quote:
So now I'm curious to see if the meeting with Shuuichi will show some more awareness in that regard.
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2016-12-20, 07:40 | Link #1127 |
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Ah, so i'm pathetic. Thanks a lot. That makes me feel so much better about believing KyoAni might actually be trying to make something progressive for LGBT+ people there. But I guess after their Tamako Market + Movie, they really don't care. I wish i'd never even watched either of these anime's.
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2016-12-20, 09:00 | Link #1128 |
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Ironically I was right about this and I'm glad more people realize what's going on.
With Hibike we don't need to entirely blame Kyoani for what's happening, a big part of the problem was the author itself and the Novels. I already mentioned this before with a quote of the Novels as example but I'll repeat this again, the books have yuri baiting. The problem is that Kyoani abused of those scenes turning Hibike in to something that wasn't intended to be, showing a fictional couple that was never in the Novels (Reina x Kumiko bait) and what is even more painful to know is how Kyoani ruined some characters by doing that (Suichi as one of the prime examples). Obviously the adaptation has some great points like the music and visuals but that won't change the fact that Kyoani missed the point long time ago. I'm glad they executed Taki's situation in a very good way, same as Asuka's problems which are in part the best things coming out of this season along with Kumiko growing up a little bit. That being said, the main problem present here and other places are the people who praise Kyoani and Hibike over and over trying to hide the obvious baiting and flaws just because they love the show. What people needs is what happened in these last 2-3 pages, having those ones that addressed those flaws and showed them in a very good way. Hopefully Kyoani stop ruining things and comeback with Violet Evergarden (which by the way is good). |
2016-12-20, 10:22 | Link #1130 |
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/start of rant
Some of the comments in KyoAni's official youtube channel is/was so atrocious that I am really ashamed as an anime fan. Calling Japanese people names, dissing their taste and what not by just seeing a PV of an anime. This is their work. They have every right to do whatever they want with it. If you don't like it, just go and stick your d!ck in between the brokeback mountain for all I care. Funny how non-japanese people claim that 60% of the viewers of Hibike! Euphnoium are from the LGBT community. It's actually not even funny, because the PV got the most likes (and dislikes, 10% at it) in all of the PVs that were posted under Hibike! Euphonium since the start of the season. Most of the comments from Japanese people are positive in the channel. It's mainly the non-japanese people who are making a fuss about it. One user actually commented just now that they are glad that they are Japanese. Pathetic yuri fans. Well, sorry for generalizing, I am sure most of them are actually nice, it's just the few aggressive ones that make the whole group of them look like pathetic low lives. And they think it's wrong to think of them cancerous. /end of rant.
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2016-12-20, 10:39 | Link #1131 |
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See, in a traditional Yuri story, you would have two girls who love each other, but one of them would be stuck betrothed to some horrible guy who want to tear them apart.
The fans of yuri tend to be used to hated men as enemies because of his gender, because of conditioning. Because all too often the guy in the way is deliberately portrayed as an asshole to be hated. Humans are not as smart as we like to think. It is very easy to be trained like a dog, to behave on reflex to do something over and over again when given stimulus. At least some of these anti-Shoe posters are just not using their brains and act like animals in a pack.
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2016-12-20, 11:08 | Link #1132 | ||
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Also, I would argue that Sound! Euphonium is remarkably progressive, considering where it comes from. It's always allowed people to draw their own conclusions, regarding Kumiko's sexuality (just as it did about Nozomi, Mizore and Yuuko.) It doesn't pass judgement, nor does it advocate for one position over the other. Kumiko's relationships rise and fall solely on the evolution of her character. Kumiko's relationship with Reina ultimately goes nowhere not because Kumiko is bi, or fancies a bit of lesbianism here and there; but because she's a legitimately frustrating person to get along with who never really offers a credible alternative to Taki. She's open and blunt to people she hardly knows, she's closed-off to people that she's close to, she's too afraid of getting hurt, and she's too afraid of the possibility of hurting others. And it's equal-opportunity frustration ... being bad for both Shuuichi and Reina. tl;dr - Kumiko's a terrible flag-carrier for anything beyond playing the euphonium.
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2016-12-20, 12:46 | Link #1134 | |
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Kumiko may be the person that people are drawn to, like Nozomi, but Reina is the one that would stand on her principals the way Nozomi did, while Kumiko would just sink into the background if she could. Edit: I'll grant there's a certain, "She doesn't need me anymore" element to Kumiko's character this season, with respect to Reina, which reflects more on a Kumiko:Nozomi and Reina:Mizore parallel. |
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2016-12-20, 14:07 | Link #1135 | |
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That being said, I think that it's also pretty classless of people to lump in LBGT supporters with those that just prefer yuri as a heterocentric fantasy. And that if you think has been a thing, I think it's okay to be a bit annoyed because people have been doing that. And I think it goes both ways, a lot of yuri shippers have been very annoying, but the people that don't like them are also pretty annoying too. And I hate most of everyone, so that should balance everything out I think. I should really stop posting on this topic. And look, unlike some people, I also understand that the yuri fanbase in general tends to get very hurt when their hopes get dashed, because in reality there is just so little of it that is quality at all. So when any functional relationship seems better looking than canon relationships in other anime, it's not hard to get a bit annoyed. What one should be upset about is the general low quality of characterization in other anime. But at the same time, I don't view people with the same contempt or condescension, because I'm not a jackass.... sometimes. I'm definitely not a fan of so called bait.
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2016-12-20, 16:43 | Link #1136 | ||
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2016-12-20, 17:02 | Link #1137 | |
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Go watch a movie like Carol if you want something progressive minded.
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2016-12-20, 19:01 | Link #1139 |
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But it wasn't made with the male gaze. It's just that virtually no one in the West understands what the (young) Japanese female pov looks like. And neither did the senior male staff at KyoAni. That's why they got Yamada to do this show.
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2016-12-20, 19:02 | Link #1140 | |
Princess or Plunderer?
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It would be tough to determine the answer to this unless we find out the level of relevance the Kumiko-Shuuichi moment in the entirety of the upcoming episode. After all, it could just be a little thing and the "vocal fans" are exaggerating.
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