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tsunade666 · 2014-01-18, 19:21

His probably talking about Masada Takashi

Group dedicated for his work

http://forums.animesuki.com/group.php?groupid=895

shmaster and cosmic are both members of the group.

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Originally Posted by BW95

Kazakiri is stated to be alive. IB instilled the fear of death into AIM fields thereby granting her life. Aiwass is a higher level being so yes I guess? Misaka Will is composed of the thoughts of all the Misaka who died. In other words, memories of the dead.

But IB is a system that correct or erase error. Normally there is no way to kill Kazakiri because she is an artificial angel. The same can be said for Gabriel. They are alien beings to the law but anything alien are meant to be destroyed by IB. So Hyouka feeling fear from IB is natural because she herself is an error to the natural laws.

BW95 · 2014-01-18, 19:32

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

His probably talking about Masada Takashi

Group dedicated for his work

http://forums.animesuki.com/group.php?groupid=895

shmaster and cosmic are both members of the group.

But IB is a system that correct or erase error. Normally there is no way to kill Kazakiri because she is an artificial angel. The same can be said for Gabriel. They are alien beings to the law but anything alien are meant to be destroyed by IB. So Hyouka feeling fear from IB is natural because she herself is an error to the natural laws.

I didn't mean the feeling fear part.

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This right hand was the only threat to the Imaginary Number District.
As it felt the threat, it started to be self-aware.
Appetite, sleep; the basic desires that were naturally derived from human functions were all signals about ‘wanting to live’ and ‘I don’t want to die’. In other words, things that didn’t know life and death wouldn’t develop personalities or self-awareness right from the start.
Looking at it another way,
If one used the Imagine Breaker to instill a concept of ‘death’, one could cause an illusion that didn’t have self-awareness to be self-aware.

Kazakiri became self-aware through the fear of death and she can be killed if every esper in existence were to perish. So she is most definitely on the side of life.

Cosmic Eagle · 2014-01-18, 21:05

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

So... Who is Masada and why are people name dropping him with Kamachi

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Coz Kamachi seems to be taking several hints from him in this volume...

It's not so surprising. There's plenty of subtle references or influences of writing style between Japanese writers in this scene

coded321 · 2014-01-19, 00:15

In the loops where touma fought othinus, did she first put him in some sort of scenario(ex: touma fights his friends) before touma fought her at the end of the loop? Or was it just a one on one fight every loop?

Chaos2Frozen · 2014-01-19, 01:29

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Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Coz Kamachi seems to be taking several hints from him in this volume...

It's not so surprising. There's plenty of subtle references or influences of writing style between Japanese writers in this scene

What is Masada's style?

Trung-t-rung · 2014-01-19, 03:58

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Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

What is Masada's style?

He is the guy who wrote VN with sci-fi and fantasy setting on the level of a Chuunibyou, I think.

Ougon · 2014-01-19, 04:04

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Originally Posted by coded321

In the loops where touma fought othinus, did she first put him in some sort of scenario(ex: touma fights his friends) before touma fought her at the end of the loop? Or was it just a one on one fight every loop?

Spoiler for Answer:

@Chaos: See your VM page for the answer.

mark1246 · 2014-01-19, 06:41

OK at this point, (serious question) can a Othinus power be> filter on the world be consider a= parallel world at this point?

it really confusing for me that IT the same world but with different aspect to it, and i know that the novel will clarify this, but is touma world destroyed and in the end Othinus just made a duplicate of it or is it touma world with 1% different? because I thought the IB was the reference to touma own world.

Because if it is the first one, then it kinda sad that the original index,misaka, accel, etc, are all gone.

Ougon · 2014-01-19, 07:12

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Originally Posted by mark1246

OK at this point, (serious question) can a Othinus power be> filter on the world be consider a= parallel world at this point?

it really confusing for me that IT the same world but with different aspect to it, and i know that the novel will clarify this, but is touma world destroyed and in the end Othinus just made a duplicate of it or is it touma world with 1% different? because I thought the IB was the reference to touma own world.

Because if it is the first one, then it kinda sad that the original index,misaka, accel, etc, are all gone.

Spoiler for Explanation on OT's powers:

mark1246 · 2014-01-19, 07:36

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Originally Posted by Ougon no Kemono

Spoiler for Explanation on OT's powers:

Wow....just Wow...this actually help dude/ma'am, thank you so much for your explanation, really appreciate it. so in the end touma back in his own world

Last question, what was the part in the end about the 99.99% world thing, or do you not know yet?

Ougon · 2014-01-19, 08:12

I'll be quoting Shmacchi here, since I haven't read that part yet (still on chapter 2).

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Originally Posted by shmaster

Finally finished reading vol.9

Spoiler for Othinus:

Othinus' power, in a nut shell, is pretty simple: Inserting new phase to the world.
When ever a new phase is inserted into the world, the world goes over a total make over, like a cycle of destruction and rebirth. But on the other hand, that is the limitation of her power.
She cannot delete the phases that were already inserted, nor is she able to alter the fundamental "pure world".
In other words, she can only move forward, she cannot back track. Which also means she has no way to determine whether she is moving into the direction she wanted. Since the old world is completely lost to her, she has nothing to compare her new world with, thus unable to tell what she had changed is really what she wanted, eventually she can't even tell what she's been changing. She practically became lost in her own maze. This is indeed a Girl Phase, Hundred Billions.
Eventually she seeks for someone who can understand her, someone who can share her insecurities with her. She thus seek for the world she originally came from where people can see the same difference as her. But since she cannot back track, she can only try to create a new world identical to it. But no matter how hard she tries, she always feel there is something different, that she don't be long there, in the new world she make.
So she hang her hope upon the Imagine Breaker, the only thing that can delete the inserted phase to let her back track. But even that is self deceit. Be it moving forward or back track, to recreate a world identical to the past is impossible. A world with invisible minor difference that alienates you will always be what she gets.
In other words, Othinus is driven completely by her internal ambivalence and blind hope on a lost cause. This is why when Touma became the only one who understands her, none of the above matters anymore. Thus she choose to use IB to return the world to the world Touma belongs to, even it'll just be 99.99& identical to the original, but at least it is world where Touma can exist.

LG-MAX · 2014-01-19, 08:53

I have a doubt a bit disturbing.

Spoiler for tragedy:

WiliamZ0 · 2014-01-19, 09:00

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Originally Posted by LG-MAX

I have a doubt a bit disturbing.

Spoiler for tragedy:

Just image a guro scene where every of your limb get cut and you lost your blood.

mark1246 · 2014-01-19, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Ougon no Kemono

I'll be quoting Shmacchi here, since I haven't read that part yet (still on chapter 2).

"even it'll just be 99.99% & identical to the original", that the line that bother me, 99.99% to what world, her or touma? augh it bother me to no end

And i said it before and i'll say it again

That 0.01% it going to bite them in the ass in a form of the newest villain

tsunade666 · 2014-01-19, 10:11

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Originally Posted by mark1246

"even it'll just be 99.99% & identical to the original", that the line that bother me, 99.99% to what world, her or touma? augh it bother me to no end

And i said it before and i'll say it again

That 0.01% it going to bite them in the ass in a form of the newest villain

Its Touma's world and not hers.

If you read the spoilers then you would know someone is probably messing with the world or travelling with them in between world creation and destruction. Its not just Touma and Othinus doing honeymoon together in 10000+ worlds. Someone is hitch hiking without an invitation.

WiliamZ0 · 2014-01-19, 10:15

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

Its Touma's world and not hers.

If you read the spoilers then you would know someone is probably messing with the world or travelling with them in between world creation and destruction. Its not just Touma and Othinus doing honeymoon together in 10000+ worlds. Someone is hitch hiking without an invitation.

You meant Misaka Will or 'a certain upside-down'

tsunade666 · 2014-01-19, 10:44

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Originally Posted by WiliamZ0

You meant Misaka Will or 'a certain upside-down'

they called it silver star right? then I think its cosmic or is it shmaster or maybe ougun? that hinted a lore from Crowly's religion. So its him. That upside down guy.

Aside from Will-san which is probably trying to communicate to Touma. Someone is trying to tamper or mess with the original world.

Cosmic Eagle · 2014-01-19, 11:26

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

they called it silver star right? then I think its cosmic or is it shmaster or maybe ougun? that hinted a lore from Crowly's religion. So its him. That upside down guy.

Yes....It is the tube NEET.

He's trying to change the actual world (the canvas on which Othinius adds new phases to but cannot fundamentally change) and he has apparently been tweaking around with it for quite a while.

Meaning the original world is no longer what it was anyway.....It's now in Aleister's favor.

Horusian format user (him and Aiwass) are thus still stronger than Othinius, being able to remake the actual world.

I think Othinius could get her world back if she succeeds in making an aeonic shift.

Cosmic Eagle · 2014-01-19, 11:48

Oh and one more thing to add about Aleister...

Othinius is aware of him and what he's doing

She's the one who calls him "Silver Star" and appears to acknowledge him as a peer or at least something that is legitimately on her scale.

Ougon · 2014-01-19, 11:59

Silver Star (笑) must be smirking so bad right now~

The next aeonic shift is probably gonna be after Touma awakens, or in the ending of series.

The question this time should be "what was inserted into the Pure world?".

PS: That Shinyaku foreshadowing~~

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LG-MAX Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014	I have a doubt a bit disturbing. Spoiler for tragedy: in reality where Touma was eaten alive, he was eaten every day in little quantity? or was it just once?

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Cosmic Eagle 今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている Join Date: Jan 2009	Oh and one more thing to add about Aleister... Othinius is aware of him and what he's doing She's the one who calls him "Silver Star" and appears to acknowledge him as a peer or at least something that is legitimately on her scale. __________________

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Ougon 愛すべからざる光 Join Date: May 2013	Silver Star (笑) must be smirking so bad right now~ The next aeonic shift is probably gonna be after Touma awakens, or in the ending of series. The question this time should be "what was inserted into the Pure world?". PS: That Shinyaku foreshadowing~~ __________________

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coded321 He Who Games Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: the virtual world	In the loops where touma fought othinus, did she first put him in some sort of scenario(ex: touma fights his friends) before touma fought her at the end of the loop? Or was it just a one on one fight every loop?

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mark1246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Florida	OK at this point, (serious question) can a Othinus power be> filter on the world be consider a= parallel world at this point? it really confusing for me that IT the same world but with different aspect to it, and i know that the novel will clarify this, but is touma world destroyed and in the end Othinus just made a duplicate of it or is it touma world with 1% different? because I thought the IB was the reference to touma own world. Because if it is the first one, then it kinda sad that the original index,misaka, accel, etc, are all gone.