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Perfect 10 | 365 | 44.95% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 199 | 24.51% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 92 | 11.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 76 | 9.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 31 | 3.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 20 | 2.46% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 1.11% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 4 | 0.49% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 0.25% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 14 | 1.72% | |
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2009-06-08, 22:46 | Link #1141 |
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He may have been quite self-absorbed and arrogant, but you clearly missed a lot of details if you thought Lelouch didn't care for anything but revenge.
Besides, aside from Nunnally and Euphie, his fellow family members really were no less tainted than he was, and they didn't even have the excuse of going through much of the crap he did, and they, with the possible exception of Schneizel, were just fine with the Britannia status quo of discrimination, which Lelouch was at least willing to break. (Unless you count Charles and V. V.'s own past and secret distaste of said social malaise, but they had both long since certifiably passed the Moral Event Horizon, so that's basically null and void for them.) And that includes Cornelia, who was quite willful in her enforcement of said discrimination, and yet you defended her side at the same time yesterday in the other thread. I would pontificate on what you said about Kallen being useless, but I'm sure someone else here will do it. Last edited by azul120; 2009-06-08 at 22:57. |
2009-06-09, 01:13 | Link #1142 | |
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the very fact that the kallen thread just broke 1000 pages should really say all that there is to say about that comment
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2009-06-09, 01:41 | Link #1143 |
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The irony is that one could argue that the relative and absolute numbers of posts from both Kallen lovers and Kallen haters, whether in Animesuki or elsewhere, don't really mean anything, either way, but then again that won't change anyone's opinion either.
Honestly, I think it's better to trade arguments and not...do something else. Kallen wasn't the protagonist, by any means, but I think she did have a role to play in terms of the plot and that was enough for me. She didn't need to be too complex of a character in order to be interesting and, while her background wasn't used much, it was at least presented and provided us with her motivation. Compared to a lot of the cast, which didn't get even this much focus, that was pretty good. Whether people like her hotheaded personality or not, whether they like her physical traits (read: character design and its use for fanservice purposes) or not, whether they liked her use as a mecha pilot or not, whether they liked her interactions with Lelouch or not...that's all a matter of preference and opinion. I can say I did, but if others don't...well, what can be done? Nothing, unless people are open to debating the issue. |
2009-06-09, 02:22 | Link #1145 | |
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The Royal Family wasn't perfect. Their ideals, whether we agree with them or not, were shaped by their upbringings. By virtue of their birth, they were superior to everyone else. They had privilege and power. As we know, power can corrupt. From the looks of things, Charles knocked up ever other female in his court, there could have been many more in the family like Nunnally and Euphemia. Or not, who knows? Sometimes people see things that are wrong, but do nothing stop it. They accept the status quo, even if they don't agree with it. Schneizel may not have liked his father's Ideology, but for years he conquered nations in his father's name. Cornelia, she bought into it. She truly believed that her country was something worth fighting for. By all account, Lelouch was happy and content with his Britannian childhood. I'm sure there were a few asses he didn't like, but he had a good mom and siblings that he got along with. Had Marianne and Nunnally, not become victims of V.V.'s jealousy, Lelouch would have grown up every bit as twisted (in the Britannian sense) as his siblings, IMO. Lelouch had the unique benefit of being cast out of La La Land. I could put Cornelia in his place, her and Euphie being cast aside, and we probably be watching a very similar show. Clovis... he'd crawl into a corner and die. Lelouch didn't break away from "weak is bad and strong is good", because he wanted to. He was forced to. He had to for his and Nunnally's sake. Kallen. Useless! Code Ceass was an awesome show (Season 1), I just didn't like Lelouch. Hated Kallen. Was iffy on Suzaku. Thought Cornelia Li Britannia was awesome... |
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2009-06-09, 02:27 | Link #1146 |
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so you didnt like 3 of the main characters of the show
and the one character you find fit to name as awesome is ONE of the antagonists what exactly did you LIKE about it then
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2009-06-09, 02:57 | Link #1147 |
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Sure, I didn't really like those 3, but I loved the overall flow of the story, especially in Season 1. Lelouch, C.C., what-her-name-zero-fangirl, Suzaku, Euphie and everybody else did their thing. I bawled for Suzaku when dumbass turned his woman into the terminator. I gasped when the Schniezel made his grand appearance in the Avalon. My heart broke for Cornelia when Euphie died. Ashford Academy brought just the right bit of comedy to Code Geass. Their were even a few brief moments when I didn't hate Lelouch. C.C. was awesome. Cornelia was extra awesome. Llyod and Cecile stole ever scene they was in. Hell, I had a man crush on Schniezel, until he shot poor sweet Cornelia. I liked the show, I just wasn't in love with those 3...
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2009-06-09, 03:14 | Link #1148 | |
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granted, you can love whatever character you want but poor sweet cornellia ? in season 1 (which you claim to like more) britannia was portrayed with all the warmth and depth of nazi germany in most WWII movies a conquering empire fighting against the entire world, who discrimintes all other people as lessers (numbers) and led by a darwinist madman who believes in might makes right above all else and cornellia was portrayed as one of the most hardcore in those beliefs among them 1)she sets up a massacre similler to what happened in shinjiku for the sole purpose of luring zero out (basiclly saying, if you dont come, i'm going to start slaughtering people) 2)she shelves the most powerful KMF ever built (at that stage) which had repeatedly proven its EXTREMELY powerful abilities, just becouse its pilot is a number (and she doesnt change that choice even after it bites her in the ass in narita, when kallen shows her what an 11 can do, and suzaku is the one who saves her ass) 3)she later on has the same reaction to when suzaku is CHOSEN by her sister as her knight, and when euphie forms the SAZ with the exception of her interactions with euphie, she is portrayed as cold heartedly and racist as any other britannian you can like her for lots of reasons, she IS pretty awesome in some ways but her "poor sweet" side is hardly one of her main traits ? in fact MOST (if not ALL) of the characters you named are britannian who were NOT portrayed in a very positive light during most of the show i liked Llyod and Cecile too, but even THEY had parts where they made me wonder if they are suffering from the sunnydale syndrom about what use their work is put to
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Word bladeofdarkness. If you're going to not hold out sympathy for Lelouch, that's one thing. But overlook what Cornelia did at the same time, let alone the fact that she didn't have to put up with as much hardship as Lelouch did? Downright hypocritical. And that's the issue I have with the camp that hates Lelouch yet adores Cornelia. That girl was Dick Cheney with a uterus.
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2009-06-09, 11:53 | Link #1152 |
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actually, she DID change him the most
its not like his friends got him thinking that he needs to be zero again what they did was show him that the "better world" he was trying to create was already there, and he just had to get the people he loves back to it kallen was the one who got him to understand that his fight is about MORE then just nunnaly, and that there are OTHER people who depend their hopes and dreams on him there by changing him from a self-centered (or sis-centered) dick into into a LESS self-centered dick which is more then anyone ELSE did
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2009-06-09, 11:54 | Link #1153 | |
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p.s i agree with what you said, like 95% btw. |
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2009-06-09, 11:56 | Link #1154 | |
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2009-06-09, 13:06 | Link #1155 | |
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Btw, i do agree with what you said about the Euphie-incident, you pretty much summed it up in a nice way. |
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2009-06-09, 13:11 | Link #1157 | |
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2009-06-09, 13:29 | Link #1160 | |
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lelouch was PLANNING the black rebellion well before (they spend ep 21 planing it)
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the debate (that part of it not composed of pointless trolling) was about LELOUCH and what effected him in ep 7 the most then it sorta got derailed
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