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Gearhead · 2006-12-11, 12:54

Durandal is specialized for casting Ice magic, all he can do is freeze things.

Bardiche and Raising Heart are both quite intelligent, capable of casting spells with very little input from their masters in a pinch, as well as warning them of changing battle conditions.

Reinforce is a step above this, being a fully cognizant person in her own right, as opposed to simply being the operating mind behind Schwertkrutz. (This is also why they call Hayate's Device Reinforce, not Schwertkrutz. There's a HELL of a lot more to her than being a very clever stick.)

FlameSparkZ · 2006-12-11, 12:56

I think S2U is better, it kicked some metal butt in Season 1, ep 12.

For some reason I see Durandal's head like a bird's head or something...

Kikaifan · 2006-12-11, 15:49

If we're talking Reinforce/YnS and not Reinforce 2 she's above actual human mages with their devices, intelligent or not.

Though... I did always wonder if her slowness in combat was because of her corruption making it hard to think or something, or if she just likes doing the 'inevitable as death itself' approach.

Actually I just wish they'd had more time to talk details about how she worked in general. I'm with the pro-technobabble and inane trivia faction, if there is such a thing.

FlameSparkZ · 2006-12-11, 17:56

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Actually I just wish they'd had more time to talk details about how she worked in general. I'm with the pro-technobabble and inane trivia faction, if there is such a thing.

YnS and the other devices.

When Raising Heart was all busted from the fight with Vita, the only thing visible were a couble of wires...

Skyfall · 2006-12-11, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Gearhead

This is also why they call Hayate's Device Reinforce

I thought it(the device) is called Reinforce because Hayate gave her that name

Deathkillz · 2006-12-11, 19:09

^ that is true

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If we're talking Reinforce/YnS and not Reinforce 2 she's above actual human mages with their devices, intelligent or not.

the original reinforce was actually just like another mage with insane powers...i think that she just needed a medium to possess inorder to release the power ~ but i think the original tome of the night sky would actually be working with its master in unison kinda like two brains in one...super smart! ^_^

Nagumo · 2006-12-12, 00:13

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Originally Posted by Deathkillz

^ that is true

the original reinforce was actually just like another mage with insane powers...i think that she just needed a medium to possess inorder to release the power ~ but i think the original tome of the night sky would actually be working with its master in unison kinda like two brains in one...super smart! ^_^

Or a great recipe to drive the original creator insane with the amount knowledge and thoughts the other brain brought along...

It almost sounds like combining two personalities into one.

Go multiple personality!

Nemesis · 2006-12-12, 03:39

umm guys why does vita love that rabbit soft toy?

NoSanninWa · 2006-12-12, 03:46

Because Hayate gave it to her as a gift when they were still getting to know each other. It holds her precious memories and feelings towards Hayate.

Kikaifan · 2006-12-12, 04:44

Her initial attraction to it remains a mystery though.

I've had the thought that the Wolkenritter might have been real people who were willingly absorbed into the book, or that their programs were created as copies of existing people, either at some time during the Tome's initial uncorrupted existence or when it was being weaponized. If the others share Signum's religious dedication to combat and knighthood that kind of immortality might have appealed to them.

NoSanninWa · 2006-12-12, 04:47

Considering that Vita was attracted to something as unnecessary as that bunny, I suspect that she was based on a real knight since nobody would create a fighting machine with such a quirk otherwise.

Dragnfly@Gamefaqs · 2006-12-12, 06:45

I like the cut of your jib here, Kikai. I too thought this. As programs, an awful lot would have went into their personalities and such which would decrease their use as weapons. So for them to have quirks and personalities it only makes sense if they were somehow, at some point in time actual people.

So now I'm wondering what the daily lives of the real people were like.

Damn. This just gets more and more interresting. It'll likely end up like a few other things I've been into and have this massive world and super-detailed history, 99.9% of which is fan-made.

Kikaifan · 2006-12-12, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Dragnfly@Gamefaqs

Damn. This just gets more and more interresting. It'll likely end up like a few other things I've been into and have this massive world and super-detailed history, 99.9% of which is fan-made.

Nanoha Fan-universe Wiki. I can see it... after finals are over.

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So now I'm wondering what the daily lives of the real people were like.

Yeah, I'm really eager to see the role of the Church Knights in StrikerS. If they are in fact Belkan maybe we'll get some insight into the culture past Signum's 'our weapons are our faith' (I think that panel alone is responsible for keeping Signum ahead of Fate and Reinforce in my books. Just... cool).

Gearhead · 2006-12-12, 14:26

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If we're talking Reinforce/YnS and not Reinforce 2 she's above actual human mages with their devices, intelligent or not.

Reinforce II is quite a bit brighter, or at least more articulate, than Raging Heart and Bardiche. She may not know as much as them (yet) but she's learning very quickly. RH and B are very terse, and speak in a stilited fashion. You can actually have a conversation with Rein would be able to fool the person, causually, into thinking they were speaking with a human.

Kikaifan · 2006-12-12, 15:27

I'd say she's brighter. She's got more than just sociability to show for it too; in the manga it seems like Hayate just asks her for an appropriate spell in general terms and she gives her one with that ice bind... the intelligent devices can't do that.

Deathkillz · 2006-12-12, 17:20

well i just tend to think of reinforce II as just reinforce but younger (mentally)...lets just says shes a child with emotions same as the the knights still trying to learn

Kikaifan · 2006-12-12, 18:29

Less depressed anyway. Having your crazy subconscious kill off a continent every few decades has to wear on you.

Xellos-_^ · 2006-12-12, 20:54

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Less depressed anyway. Having your crazy subconscious kill off a continent every few decades has to wear on you.

continenet? more like a world every few decades.

Kikaifan · 2006-12-13, 01:27

I'm assuming the TSAB was generally speedy about Rainbowin' her.

JediNight · 2006-12-13, 02:16

Well here are my thoughts about the Wolkenritter:

It was said sometime during the series that it was ASSUMED that they had no personalities, because none had ever been shown before. But they also admitted that they had always been treated as tools and used for evil.

It's not until Hayate treats them like people and doesn't expect evil things out of them that their personalities start surfacing. So my feeling is stuff like Vita getting the rabbit (which is still a pretty evil looking rabbit if you ask me LOL) was something from her dormant personality surfacing -- as a young child more-or-less she had probably wanted things that "girls her age" had. And it would make sense that their programs were made more "realistic" via actual data input from one or more real beings.

2006-12-11, 12:54	Link #1141
Gearhead Metroid of Humor Join Date: Mar 2006	Durandal is specialized for casting Ice magic, all he can do is freeze things. Bardiche and Raising Heart are both quite intelligent, capable of casting spells with very little input from their masters in a pinch, as well as warning them of changing battle conditions. Reinforce is a step above this, being a fully cognizant person in her own right, as opposed to simply being the operating mind behind Schwertkrutz. (This is also why they call Hayate's Device Reinforce, not Schwertkrutz. There's a HELL of a lot more to her than being a very clever stick.) __________________ - Kicking it old school.

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Kikaifan Blazing General Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Age: 38	If we're talking Reinforce/YnS and not Reinforce 2 she's above actual human mages with their devices, intelligent or not. Though... I did always wonder if her slowness in combat was because of her corruption making it hard to think or something, or if she just likes doing the 'inevitable as death itself' approach. Actually I just wish they'd had more time to talk details about how she worked in general. I'm with the pro-technobabble and inane trivia faction, if there is such a thing. __________________

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NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	Because Hayate gave it to her as a gift when they were still getting to know each other. It holds her precious memories and feelings towards Hayate. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

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Kikaifan Blazing General Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Age: 38	Her initial attraction to it remains a mystery though. I've had the thought that the Wolkenritter might have been real people who were willingly absorbed into the book, or that their programs were created as copies of existing people, either at some time during the Tome's initial uncorrupted existence or when it was being weaponized. If the others share Signum's religious dedication to combat and knighthood that kind of immortality might have appealed to them. __________________

2006-12-12, 03:39	Link #1148
Nemesis Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006	umm guys why does vita love that rabbit soft toy?

2006-12-12, 04:47	Link #1151
NoSanninWa Weapon of Mass Discussion Fansubber Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: New York, USA	Considering that Vita was attracted to something as unnecessary as that bunny, I suspect that she was based on a real knight since nobody would create a fighting machine with such a quirk otherwise. __________________ There's not that fine a line between willing suspension of disbelief and something just being stupid.

2006-12-12, 06:45	Link #1152
Dragnfly@Gamefaqs Vampie Walrus. Big fangs Join Date: Oct 2004	I like the cut of your jib here, Kikai. I too thought this. As programs, an awful lot would have went into their personalities and such which would decrease their use as weapons. So for them to have quirks and personalities it only makes sense if they were somehow, at some point in time actual people. So now I'm wondering what the daily lives of the real people were like. Damn. This just gets more and more interresting. It'll likely end up like a few other things I've been into and have this massive world and super-detailed history, 99.9% of which is fan-made.

2006-12-12, 15:27	Link #1155
Kikaifan Blazing General Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Age: 38	I'd say she's brighter. She's got more than just sociability to show for it too; in the manga it seems like Hayate just asks her for an appropriate spell in general terms and she gives her one with that ice bind... the intelligent devices can't do that. __________________

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Deathkillz ~ You're dead ^__^* ~ Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: uk, England Age: 34	well i just tend to think of reinforce II as just reinforce but younger (mentally)...lets just says shes a child with emotions same as the the knights still trying to learn __________________ Siggy: hohohohoho~ \| AnimeHistory welcome to our blog ~ \| Summer2009 early review Under the radar series Summer2009: Kanamemo, GA Geijutsuka Art, NEEDLESS

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Kikaifan Blazing General Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Age: 38	Less depressed anyway. Having your crazy subconscious kill off a continent every few decades has to wear on you. __________________

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Kikaifan Blazing General Join Date: May 2006 Location: CA Age: 38	I'm assuming the TSAB was generally speedy about Rainbowin' her. __________________

2006-12-13, 02:16	Link #1160
JediNight キズランダム Join Date: Apr 2003	Well here are my thoughts about the Wolkenritter: It was said sometime during the series that it was ASSUMED that they had no personalities, because none had ever been shown before. But they also admitted that they had always been treated as tools and used for evil. It's not until Hayate treats them like people and doesn't expect evil things out of them that their personalities start surfacing. So my feeling is stuff like Vita getting the rabbit (which is still a pretty evil looking rabbit if you ask me LOL) was something from her dormant personality surfacing -- as a young child more-or-less she had probably wanted things that "girls her age" had. And it would make sense that their programs were made more "realistic" via actual data input from one or more real beings.