Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan) - Manga discussion

[Sasukeuzi]

Originally Posted by Tranhieu

The latest chapter is so intense, and Irvin remains at the top of my favourite characters! It's a nice move to stall Berthold and Reiner but I wonder if he's willing to sacrifice most of his crew just to get Eren (and Christia) back. He even led the police squad to their grave and now maybe his own people as well.

He's one of my favorite characters too, but it seems like he's TOO used to sacrificing lives. I remember what Armin said about great people having the guts to sacrifice their fellow men, but Irvin is going reaaaaal far with this. If anything, now Reiner, Bert, and Ymir are guaranteed to get stopped, but I feel like Monkey Troubles is going to come in and order the Titans to stop or something.

[Anh_Minh]

I don't see a problem with Irwin's actions. If you can't pull yourself out of a tactical well, drag your enemy to the bottom with you.

Besides, I don't understand why you act like he's sacrificed his people:
- the choice was between doing something about the Titans, which would have been dangerous anyway, and just run away, which is what they're doing;
- when night comes (and it isn't very far) most Titans will stop moving. In the meantime, they're on horses who are faster than the Titans (as long as their stamina holds - that point's worrying).

[Winterson]

Originally Posted by BoyTitan

There is no one to question that man titans Reiner and Berthold are dead if the could fight that man titans they would never have waited to leave at night. Levi trust Irvin for the simple fact Irvin is far smarter than Levi thus can easily manipulate him.

The human titans have a stamina limit, Berthold can't use his titan form in the woods because he would just be a giant target, Mikasa has proven to be able to match a human titan in 1vs1 combats there was no reason for Ervins plan it throws the chance of capturing a human titan out the window.

Well, you've got a point there. We'll see in the next chapters the fruit of his plan.

[Gundamx]

don't to mention that Irwin himself was with them unlike other tactician who like to give order from safe seat


By the way, we already know that Yamir = higher up from other titan tribe right? ( that titan who bow to girl who look like her)
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we know she is not from Reiner tribe who is not from monkey titan tribe
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what she said that human in living in wall = same as dead
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I guess it like many though, most humanity become titans but few survive
and the titan who didn't won't their follow human ( friends, family, lover...etc) to become food sacrifice themselves to build the wall

[Mouretsu]

Just read the last two chapters (47 and 48) and I really love how things are going. Now I just want SOMEONE to die, or few good characters! It will suck of Reiner or Krista go *poof*. I doubt anything will happen to Krista.

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So I'm gonna lay out some few spoilers, this is just coming from me. So far the story is progressing really well and with a lot of intense moments. I've read few posts and I can see there could be several different tribes and they're probably in conflict with each other - at least the superiors, hence why some of them didn't know other characters were also part of tribes and are Titans themselves. So the mention of "they won't be able to live much longer inside those walls" brings to me few things - One, the King has lived through over a hundred years and is also a Titan, this is a very strong possibility. New characters will indefinitely emerge from both the tribes, the inner wall (forgot which wall was that), the King and those who protect the King - I so freaking hope some cool characters come from the King's side. Also, the palace itself seems more or so corrupted, so maybe the conflict started long ago because of that?

Eren's dad, Grishia, is with the tribes since no one caught glimpse of him for the past 5+ years. And seriously, when are we going to go to that basement?

I also think the anime series for the first season will end with Annie being extracted from her Titan form turning into a solid hard crystal (makes you wonder how she did that, fuck I wanna know more about her!). The BDs/DVDs are selling very hot at the moment, if that keeps up, with the manga, then I wouldn't be surprised for a second series. Who would want to stop there when this cash-cow is milking so much money?

And I lost myself when they were talking about Krista. I don't have the slightest clue what's so special about her, other than being an illegitimate child from a noble family (was it the King's? Who's the father and the mother? Did she have siblings? These questions circle my head non-stop).

[Mubyoshi]

Man, I could feel Mikasa's anger this chapter, was surprised she stopped and talked. I personally would have went with Eren route and killed them all. Bert sure acts like a little bitch despite being the one that pretty much created hell for Eren and the others.

[JamJackEvo]

You could say that when he broke down Wall Maria, he was only 11 at the time and didn't really grasp the carnage his action had done. Fast forward to five years later, he did it again, this time understanding and grasping the consequences of what he was about to do but doing it anyway because there was no turning back. He can no longer turn back after breaching Wall Maria.

That makes him almost a tragic character, but there's little info we can garner to really categorize him as such. For all we know, that whole "I really do think of us as comrades!" speech was an act he pulled up for some reason unknown to us. Something is driving them forward. Something is making them do this, though it seems Reiner is more reluctant of the whole thing than Bertholdt is. We can only figure out more in future chapters...

[Winterson]

My thoughts, imbecile titans cannot speak--humanity has been lost to them--they remain titans as they embrace being one.

[Cub-Sama]

I know this might seem a little simplistic but I think that the reason titans eat humans is that they were ordered to. We already know the Ape Titan can order around the titans; that they have no need to eat humans and that they don't eat anything apart from humans. They also chase after humans suicidally and focus all attention on it.

Abberants are just titans with different orders in the battlefield, titans may just be very obedient super soldiers in a war that happened many years ago that still rages on. Could also be why the smart titans seem so afraid of the Ape Titan, their former commander that they're terrified of

[Breimoon]

i wonder why the order " to eat" instead of "to kill" was made then. If they were focused on killing they would be much more lethal, especially the abberants

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Breimoon

i wonder why the order " to eat" instead of "to kill" was made then. If they were focused on killing they would be much more lethal, especially the abberants

That's a good point. I think the key factor is probably related to the same reason Eren had to think about a specific "purpose" to transform into a titan.

Regular titans have lost their mental faculties and so their impulses are primordial. Eating is of course a very basic impulse that even lesser creatures possess, however the reason why they specifically target humans is unclear.

If it was a specific order then it was done by some kind of sadistic man who wanted to strike fear on his enemies at the expense of a better functionality.

If not it could be a random side-effect of the titan transformation. It could be something similar to Trichophagia that compels the subject to eat his own hair.

Perhaps titans are attracted to humans because subconsciously they wish for human contacts and to return among them, but their limited mental faculties leave them with few available options to interact with others, so the only thing they can do is eat.

[n120cky]

You know, I see Reiner death flag here.....

[Raviel]

Originally Posted by n120cky

You know, I see Reiner death flag here.....

I just wish that anyone characters who might have some plot-relevant information actually reveal it if/when they're going to die.

[ginger02]

There's something I've wondered. In the manga, folks already know more about the smarter titans and who they are. I was wondering, for those ones, are their motivations revealed? Do they know what they are doing when they transform, and sort of play a role as a double agent, or is it something else?

[Poetic Justice]

Irvin leading everyone to their deaths.Still my favorite character

[chikkychappy]

Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

Irvin leading everyone to their deaths.Still my favorite character

Same here. I'm actually liking him more because of it.

[JamJackEvo]

This response was for Genjichan from this thread:

Originally Posted by GenjiChan

They were too desperate.... stupid actions often happen....Oh, the walls themselves is questionable.... How the hell were they able to build it under possible continues attack of Titans... unless the did some diversionary tactic to keep the building away from the Titan's notice....

Spoiler for Some might think it's spoilers, even though this info was taken from HIDDEN MESSAGES in Volume 1 of the manga's cover. Is that still considered spoilers?:

It was never specified in the manga (much less the anime) but there were plenty of people who figured out the hidden messages plastered on the cover of the manga's first volume. It tells the history of the humans from 100 years ago and their first encounter with the Titans. It is said that the Walls were already there, built and just waiting to be given a 'No Vacancy' slot, when the people from 100 years ago migrated (by boat) to the new continent to get as far away from the Titans as possible. No explanations on how the Titans crossed the ocean, though.

Nobody really knew how the Walls came about, but some took it upon themselves to say that the Walls were given to the humans by God—or, more radically, the Walls are the gods given form to protect humanity. It just took the Wall Religion 100 years (and the breach of Wall Maria) to get tons of fanatics and political control. And it seems like their influence is still growing.

Sigh. The last time some freakin' friars end up messing with politics, the people were oppressed and ordered for Rizal's death, but I digress.

Anyway, that's more or less the history of the Walls. Whether it is made up (fabricated history) or just general information that's never at all touched into how specifically the humans from 100 years ago went about investigating the barricaded area, nobody really knows. One would think that the people should be a little suspicious about this, don't you think?

Either way, they still had the Walls to themselves and most likely the Titans weren't about to stop their reign of terror just because an ocean separates them from their prey. So the humans took what they could at the time and settled into the Walls before more of them got eaten. No diversionary tactics involved at all.

[Sasukeuzi]

Originally Posted by chikkychappy

Same here. I'm actually liking him more because of it.

He's a man who'll do anything to achieve results. He's one of my favorite characters, but characters like him always kind of disturb and intrigue me.
And because of him, so many death flags were put up. ARGH

[chikkychappy]

Originally Posted by Sasukeuzi

And because of him, so many death flags were put up. ARGH

including his own

[Sasukeuzi]

Originally Posted by chikkychappy

including his own

Ah snap. Well tbh, I think that without him, the Scouting Legion would be lost. Levi seems like a leader, but he just doesn't have the wit and sneakiness that Irwin and the other leaders have. The guy is also shrouded in mystery too, so without him a lot of things would be left unsaid.
I feel like things are gonna botch up and Irwin is going to be in a lot of heat for this when it's over.