Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei LN - Archived Discussion

[Requiem-x]

Originally Posted by pampz21

hmmm....never thought of that

Nah it would be surprise if Erika is Tatsuya's right hand;
DemonRight and DivineLeft; which both pertains to you know who....

Oh, I hadn't seen it that way. Nice combo.

And before Miyuki fans say something, she'd still be the heart.

Originally Posted by pampz21

Why do we even discuss this?

Both high selling LN, both deal with magic, completely different ways to do and view things, making comparison fun. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

Originally Posted by hakazee

I don't think it can surpass SAO.
SAO is about game, mahouka is about magic.

There's something incredibly wrong with that logic.

[SeaDam]

So you're saying we should contact an admin then?

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Requiem-x

Both high selling LN, both deal with magic, completely different ways to do and view things, making comparison fun. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

Thank you for understanding.

Originally Posted by SeaDam

So you're saying we should contact an admin then?

If you think so do it, I haven't done anything against the rules so far from what I'm aware of and it's not like I did it to start a fight with someone, it's not my fault some people can't have fun in a discussion without taking every little thing too seriously.

[Vocah]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

And I don't want ti argue against a character who's very existence is his plot armor, discussion dropped. So much seriousness chill out the threads are for discussions if you can't handle it don't be kicking people out, you knoe unless you're an admin.

Sorry, but do you mix up the meaning of plot armor?

Yes, Tatsuya is pretty hax, but this also explains why he survives the stuff. --> no plot armor

For Touma, I don't really know much about Index stuff, only watched the 1st anime season and I don't remember much of it but from your other post here he should have died many times already, right? He survives stuff just because he is the protagonist -> full on plot armor

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by Requiem-x

There's something incredibly wrong with that logic.

I mean this Novel popularity or maybe the anime popularity.

You know SAO is very popular among gamers. I know many of them usually didn't watch anime but they watch SAO.

[BW95]

Originally Posted by hakazee

I don't think it can surpass SAO.
SAO is about game, mahouka is about magic.

Can anyone think of a previous animated adaptation that possessed detailed mechanics like this one? I'd like a reference.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by hakazee

I mean this Novel popularity or maybe the anime popularity.

You know SAO is very popular among gamers. I know many of them usually didn't watch anime but they watch SAO.

Well Mahouka and SAO are similar in origins. Mahouka became the second web novel after Sword Art Online to be acquired by ASCII Media Works, they're under the same label and seem to be roughly getting the same treatment. They both even have Lisa doing their theme it seems.

They're entirely different in story and content but can be marketed as similar due to similar status and achievements in general publication.

They are both set in the future and very tech based in their own way as well, so it's something.

On an advertising level it might not be too difficult to draw in the SAO fan base just on those small fundamental similarities.

Originally Posted by BW95

Can anyone think of a previous animated adaptation that possessed detailed mechanics like this one? I'd like a reference.

Mechanics like a very detailed setting, description and the basic rules of the world they live in? Wow, It's like there is probably plenty, but it's so much harder to figure them off the top of my head. Code Geass did a pretty good job setting up the rules of their world and following through I guess.

Hmm, I'll see if any come to mind.

[Ultragunner]

oh come on, please don't just get worked up like that

sale number only wise, SAO has a HUGEEEEEE fanbase, even more compared to Mahouka. Also, Mahouka isn't really easy to read or follow for everybody, so even the anime may boost (or undermine) Mahouka's popularity, I don't think it will be as explosive like SAO

for the detailed mechanics, I can't really recall any anime that follow the same pathway as Mahouka. There are tons of sci-fi and fantasy series that have a lot of expositions for sure, but Mahouka is also about science and engineering which is pretty rare.

I also loved Code Geass and how its world building. However, Mahouka gives you a feel of a more realistic world. If our world now suddenly verified the existence of magic, then a century later the world of Mahouka would become a reality.

Usually, when it came to magic in modern world, other series often treat it with cults, organisations that keep tap on the secrecy of magic and the mass population are oblivious to this fact, but in Mahouka everyone is aware of magic while not many really understand it.

[hakazee]

Originally Posted by BW95

Can anyone think of a previous animated adaptation that possessed detailed mechanics like this one? I'd like a reference.

Actually detail mechanics can be boring for some people. Maybe that's important for you, but I don't.

I don't care with that technobable shits, I skip most of them.
He can do this or he can't do that informations is enough for me. I only read this because of the Plot.

And actually my understanding about the mechanics of magic comes from many debates and discussions in this forum and Jcafe.
Sometimes the technobabble Shit only cause headaches.

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

oh come on, please don't just get worked up like that

sale number only wise, SAO has a HUGEEEEEE fanbase, even more compared to Mahouka. Also, Mahouka isn't really easy to read or follow for everybody, so even the anime may boost (or undermine) the Mahouka's popularity, I don't think it will be as explosive like SAO

This is what I'm talking.

Thanks for the explaination. My english is so bad and cause misunderstanding.

[BW95]

Originally Posted by anonfr

Well Mahouka and SAO are similar in origins. Mahouka became the second web novel after Sword Art Online to be acquired by ASCII Media Works, they're under the same label and seem to be roughly getting the same treatment. They both even have Lisa doing their theme it seems.

They're entirely different in story and content but can be marketed as similar due to similar status and achievements in general publication.

They are both set in the future and very tech based in their own way as well, so it's something.

On an advertising level it might not be too difficult to draw in the SAO fan base just on those small fundamental similarities.



Mechanics like a very detailed setting, description and the basic rules of the world they live in? Wow, It's like there is probably plenty, but it's so much harder to figure them off the top of my head. Code Geass did a pretty good job setting up the rules of their world and following through I guess.

Hmm, I'll see if any come to mind.

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

oh come on, please don't just get worked up like that

sale number only wise, SAO has a HUGEEEEEE fanbase, even more compared to Mahouka. Also, Mahouka isn't really easy to read or follow for everybody, so even the anime may boost (or undermine) Mahouka's popularity, I don't think it will be as explosive like SAO

for the detailed mechanics, I can't really recall any anime that follow the same pathway as Mahouka. There are tons of sci-fi and fantasy series that have a lot of expositions for sure, but Mahouka is also about science and engineering which is pretty rare.

I also loved Code Geass and how its world building. However, Mahouka gives you a feel of a more realistic world. If our world now suddenly verified the existence of magic, then a century later the world of Mahouka would become a reality.

Usually, when it came to magic in modern world, other series often treat it with cults, organisations that keep tap on the secrecy of magic and the mass population are oblivious to this fact, but in Mahouka everyone is aware of magic while not many really understand it.

I don't know about you guys, but I actually find it difficult to recall series I've followed to completion so I'm not sure if I'm right in claiming that there was never a series as detailed as Mahouka. I wouldn't say Code Geass was quite on Mahouka's level. I don't know about historical facts, but that whole Britannia as a world power seemed pretty unrealistic.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by Vocah

Sorry, but do you mix up the meaning of plot armor?

Yes, Tatsuya is pretty hax, but this also explains why he survives the stuff. --> no plot armor

For Touma, I don't really know much about Index stuff, only watched the 1st anime season and I don't remember much of it but from your other post here he should have died many times already, right? He survives stuff just because he is the protagonist -> full on plot armor

Ok, all I'll say is read NT.9 any illusions fans, haters or otherwise had about Toumas plot armor was addressed in that volume making any discussion about it invalid about 130000 ways to sunday and yes Tatsuyas healing factor which doesn't let him die is a plot armor which he doesn't need because he's already the most powerful thing in the story, once again discussion closed, you can answer me back but I won't answer anymore.

[bietchie11]

Originally Posted by pampz21

This is blasphemy#!

is what they call it my friend#!

Man I wish Tatsuya would make cool quotes when they were at war.... like:
Give them Nothing but Take away from them Everything!
Or
Today we dine in hell!
or
Lu Gungho
one of the Top Ten CQC magic specialist in the world...
Ill put his name to the test.

Only good quote he said is:

Tatsuya:
-I don't fight since "fight" implies equality and possibility of losing, i pest-control.
-Money talks and merit walks.
-The enemy of our enemy is just another pest.

Add some quote:
-The circle of life and death continues.
We will live
And they will die!

-They are privileged to be trampled under my feet.

[SoloPanda]

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

Ok, all I'll say is read NT.9 any illusions fans, haters or otherwise had about Toumas plot armor was addressed in that volume making any discussion about it invalid about 130000 ways to sunday and yes Tatsuyas healing factor which doesn't let him die is a plot armor which he doesn't need because he's already the most powerful thing in the story, once again discussion closed, you can answer me back but I won't answer anymore.

don't you mean in 10031 ways? honestly I agree with you in much of this even though they are different stories with different back grounds. for the purpose of comparing the two lets have a look at them.

Touma:

Class: Hero

Weak, Bleeds, gets beaten, falls down, cries, comes back to life from death, tries his hardest to save everything within his reach, forgives even the most atrocious wrongs and guides them to the righteous path, uses his weak powers to face those who stand among gods to protect everything that he can.

accomplishments: Changes the world of those he saves. defeated the strongest ESPER with enough power to destroy a nation twice. defeated one with the power to destroy any perceived enemy and even the world, fought a god 10031 x 10031 life times and managed to change its views.

Tatsuya:

Class: Demon King

Strongest, instant regeneration, doesn't falter, abandons anything that doesn't effect him or his sister, doesn't forgive even the slightest transgression upon his sister, immediately disregards those who have different beliefs, would even kill a friend if it became necessary, used his power for the last 12 volumes to mop the floor with scrubs.

accomplishments: changes the world of magic with his discoveries, slaughtered an army of scrubs twice. defeated talented magician at 9 schools tournament, slaughtered terrorist scrubs twice.

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by BW95

I don't know about you guys, but I actually find it difficult to recall series I've followed to completion so I'm not sure if I'm right in claiming that there was never a series as detailed as Mahouka. I wouldn't say Code Geass was quite on Mahouka's level. I don't know about historical facts, but that whole Britannia as a world power seemed pretty unrealistic.

I didn't know we were talking about realism.

I thought we were talking about really detailed hypothetical universes with very specific laws and rules.

Originally Posted by Chosen_Hero

If you think so do it, I haven't done anything against the rules so far from what I'm aware of and it's not like I did it to start a fight with someone, it's not my fault some people can't have fun in a discussion without taking every little thing too seriously.

You know the rules have a lot of grey area. But technically discussing series that isn't the thread topic is against the rules. Promoting arguments instead of debates can be considered against the rules. Also a general attitude problem is enough to get on an admins bad side. rampant shipping wars are technically against the rules and can get a thread turned off for a while, or at least a few threats if they go on for too long.

Just saying, I've seen people banned or threads shut off for what you're doing. I've certainly seen a lot of people get warned for less. It's a miracle this thread is still active due to its shipping wars and sheer length, but I think admins are more lax on LN and manga threads than anime threads.

[SoloPanda]

Originally Posted by anonfr

I didn't know we were talking about realism.

I thought we were talking about really detailed hypothetical universes with very specific laws and rules.

It wasn't a light novel but didn't Negima have a pretty solid system of laws and rules in place that applied to everyone... except Jack Rakan...

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

It wasn't a light novel but didn't Negima have a pretty solid system of laws and rules in place that applied to everyone... except Jack Rakan...

That's true! It was pretty well thought out. and screw logic, Jack Rakan was awesome and needed to happen. Logic no need apply, at all.

[Chosen_Hero]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

don't you mean in 10031 ways? honestly I agree with you in much of this even though they are different stories with different back grounds. for the purpose of comparing the two lets have a look at them.

Touma:

Class: Hero

Weak, Bleeds, gets beaten, falls down, cries, comes back to life from death, tries his hardest to save everything within his reach, forgives even the most atrocious wrongs and guides them to the righteous path, uses his weak powers to face those who stand among gods to protect everything that he can.

accomplishments: Changes the world of those he saves. defeated the strongest ESPER with enough power to destroy a nation twice. defeated one with the power to destroy any perceived enemy and even the world, fought a god 10031 x 10031 life times and managed to change its views.

Tatsuya:

Class: Demon King

Strongest, instant regeneration, doesn't falter, abandons anything that doesn't effect him or his sister, doesn't forgive even the slightest transgression upon his sister, immediately disregards those who have different beliefs, would even kill a friend if it became necessary, used his power for the last 12 volumes to mop the floor with scrubs.

accomplishments: changes the world of magic with his discoveries, slaughtered an army of scrubs twice. defeated talented magician at 9 schools tournament, slaughtered terrorist scrubs twice.

I like how they are basically the opposite to each other in almost every single way, would make for a great discussion, you know if people were mature enough to be able to discuss it without throwong a hissy fit. Solopanda try adding Kojou from StB in that comparison to see how he stacks up would be another great parallel. And yes I forgot the 31.

[NoLife222]

There is something that always bother me, Tatsuya ability to analyse magic sequence is in the direct effect of mental reconstruction or elemental sight (ES)? From what i read, Tatsuya say his magic is terrible because he have to read the magic sequence consciously than alter the Eidos (normal magician simply unconsciously process the magic sequence and present the effect). And also, during explanation of Gram dispersion, the condition is to see and analyze. The explanation state that ES allow Tatsuya to see the sequence whereas the ability to analyze lies on Tatsuya.However, the explanation also conclude with ES as primary condition on usage of Gram dispersion. So in the end, the ability to analyze originated from where?

P.s Perhaps i simply lack understanding on long explanation??

[Ultragunner]

Originally Posted by SoloPanda

It wasn't a light novel but didn't Negima have a pretty solid system of laws and rules in place that applied to everyone... except Jack Rakan...

Yes, in that magic is just.....magic you know , though there is mention of magic university and institute, it's just kinda...there. While in Mahouka magic is a field of real science with all the stuff we have in our real world: theories, experiments, engineering, designing, calculations..etc..

And yes, Rakan is awesome, I'd totally love it if we have that kind of character in Mahouka (despite making completely no sense). Though Tatsuya is already broken as f#%^, we need another kind of "broken"

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by NoLife222

There is something that always bother me, Tatsuya ability to analyse magic sequence is in the direct effect of mental reconstruction or elemental sight (ES)? From what i read, Tatsuya say his magic is terrible because he have to read the magic sequence consciously than alter the Eidos (normal magician simply unconsciously process the magic sequence and present the effect). And also, during explanation of Gram dispersion, the condition is to see and analyze. The explanation state that ES allow Tatsuya to see the sequence whereas the ability to analyze lies on Tatsuya.However, the explanation also conclude with ES as primary condition on usage of Gram dispersion. So in the end, the ability to analyze originated from where?

P.s Perhaps i simply lack understanding on long explanation??

I feel like you're correct in saying a lot of his abilities are dependent on ES, I thought ES is a product of the experiment conducted on him though. It could have been something he was born with but I don't quite remember.

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

Yes, in that magic is just.....magic you know , though there is mention of magic university and institute, it's just kinda...there. While in Mahouka magic is a field of real science with all the stuff we have in our real world: theories, experiments, engineering, designing, calculations..etc..

And yes, Rakan is awesome, I'd totally love it if we have that kind of character in Mahouka (despite making completely no sense). Though Tatsuya is already broken as f#%^, we need another kind of "broken"

I would love a jack rakan type character in this series. Or like a tatsuya 2.0

The most broken type character would have to be a kind of Ryner Lute I guess, able to see and copy all magic sequences but with the magical ability to actually use them if he wished. That would be truly broken.

It's basically what Tatsuya would be if he could use normal magic.