Code Geass - Spoilers & Speculation (ver 2 old)

[Var]

Originally Posted by fruitcage

Very interesting Extended Preview. So the Betray is supposed to happen next EP. But why is Kallen crying though? She already knows Zero=Lelouch. Could it be because of Nunnally?

It could very well be the lie Lelouch tells her, but I don't know why that would be coming so quickly and... also, why she'd be angry during it and not hurt. Her eyebrows are down, meaning she's pissed, not hurt. Actually, judging by how the previews tend to work, that scene could be at the very start.

[Calth]

From the preview, I'm guessing that Schneizel is the envoy?

[geewhiz]

LOL well we all predict a very angsty Turn 19.

And it looks like Schneizel's the envoy after all, right?

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

LOL well we all predict a very angsty Turn 19.

Is there any other way to predict it, really?

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by Calth

From the preview, I'm guessing that Schneizel is the envoy?

I thought it'd be either Schneizel or Kannon, but it seems more likely that it's Schneizel in person now. He probably shows up himself as a gesture of good will (gotta start off on the right foot if you plan to disintegrate the Order by leaking the info about Lelouch's Geass). Well, the Area 11 government just disintegrated after all (together with most of Tokyo Settlement), so there is some pretext for him opening ceasefire negotiations or something along those lines.

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

Is there any other way to predict it, really?

You could also say it'll be quite angsty in 20, and in 21, and maybe even in 22.

[TheDisruptiveOne]

Originally Posted by geewhiz

LOL well we all predict a very angsty Turn 19.

And it looks like Schneizel's the envoy after all, right?

Charles is around somewhere, isn't he? I don't see how Schneizel can agree to give them Japan in return for Lelouch. That's a decision only the Emperor can make. On the other hand...Schneizel is the one with the tape. So they have to both be involved somehow.

Either way, Lelouch is really out of it to allow Schneizel to board the ship. Schneizel knows his identity, his arrival would be a horrible sign for him.

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by TheDisruptiveOne

Charles is around somewhere, isn't he? I don't see how Schneizel can agree to give them Japan in return for Lelouch. That's a decision only the Emperor can make. On the other hand...Schneizel is the one with the tape. So they have to both be involved somehow.

Charles won't care, he's too busy killing gods or whatever it is that he's up to with Ragnarok. Schneizel on the other hand is prime minister, so with Charles kicking back he will have the run of the place (is that the right idiom?).

[geewhiz]

Originally Posted by TheDisruptiveOne

Charles is around somewhere, isn't he? I don't see how Schneizel can agree to give them Japan in return for Lelouch. That's a decision only the Emperor can make. On the other hand...Schneizel is the one with the tape. So they have to both be involved somehow.

Either way, Lelouch is really out of it to allow Schneizel to board the ship. Schneizel knows his identity, his arrival would be a horrible sign for him.

It's still quite cowardly for Schneizel to use his daddy as backup, which seems to be indicated by the preview.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by lightbringer

You could also say it'll be quite angsty in 20, and in 21, and maybe even in 22.

All, in all: the future isn't looking too bright, is it?

[Methuselah]

Nothing is cowardly in Code Geass...

[Sports72Xtrm]

You know as evil as Shniezel is, he seems to be more in control than suzaku or lelouch. I mean every planned move of his never backfired or blown up in his face to a degree were it hurted him.

[geewhiz]

Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

You know as evil as Shniezel is, he seems to be more in control than suzaku or lelouch. I mean every planned move of his never backfired or blown up in his face to a degree were it hurted him.

Well yeah 'cause he's got the whole "cold and calculating" schematic down to a fine art.

[Methuselah]

That's because he is the prince whom has access to Britannia first of all. He doesn't need to lie and do dirty cons as much as Lelouch and does not have the same intentions as Suzaku. He is in a very comfortable position. (With the whole country working for him)

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

All, in all: the future isn't looking too bright, is it?

Indeed. Well, as long as the plot moves... somewhere... it's okay, I guess.

About Nunnally surviving, leaving aside the issue that by all accounts she should be dead: Her staying dead would be a good thing for the plot (the series started on a note that this show was about people dying, and some did die), but it kind of precludes any kind of "happy" ending. It's a given that a satisfactory ending doesn't have to be necessarily happy, though.

[kuroSaki_Ichi]

yeah, so bascially schniezel has an some advantage over them....well lelouch has a geass so it evens out?

[Velden]

What i think...

Spoiler for Lelouch and Susaku:

So in the end Suzaku gets mad and loses faith in his convictions, as does lelouch.
(susaku starts to kill mercilessly and lelouch just doesn´t care about whats going to happen to the world).

Spoiler for Nunnaly and Sayoko:

Nunally and sayoko are dead...there is no way they could survive, unless someone teleported them, sadly V.V isn´t alive anymore and ninja arts do have their limitations xD.
I say there is a 5% chance that they are alive but missing.

Spoiler for Cornelia and his allegiance:

Cornelia joining Lelouch is now impossible, probably Shneizel will tell her that Guilford has been geassed and he died.

Spoiler for Kallen crying?:

Kallen´s tear could be because:
-Nunnaly´s death, She lost her brother and now Lelouch lost her sister...
-Just a reaction while thinking of what to do, remain loyal to lelouch or to the Black knights
-Seeing Lelouch mad at everything and in despair.

Spoiler for Concerning Jeremiah´s screencap:

What i am not sure of is of jeremiah´s screencap in the preview...is he protecting lelouch or making sure he doesn´t run away? Considering the spoilers and how code geass tends to be, i say he is protecting him or showing his allegiance to him.

Spoiler for Gino and Kallen:

I know there have been too few circumstances for this couple to develop a relationship beyond rivalry, but i´m starting to believe that in the end they´ll end together...i hope i´m wrong, i hate that idea...

I hope the op doesn´t change...at least the meaning of the song serves as a reminder that all the hell the characters are experimenting is only temporal...and come on...something about the ep has to be cheerful, why not the op ? XD

EDIT:
Geremiah could be taking lelouch with him while Rollo geass everyone and runs away.

[Methuselah]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

I don't think Guilford dying would prompt Cornelia to smile, which she is doing. She's probably elated at meeting Schneizel.

Once Schneizel tells Cornelia that Guilford "betrayed" them and sided with Zero, Cornelia will really want to kill Lelouch now..

Our ninja and Nunnally can escape alright. She'll just have to use Time and Space Jutsu.

[kuroSaki_Ichi]

there seems to be no spoiler or indication for knight of nine and twelve to show up at alll

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by lightbringer

Indeed. Well, as long as the plot moves... somewhere... it's okay, I guess.

About Nunnally surviving, leaving aside the issue that by all accounts she should be dead: Her staying dead would be a good thing for the plot (the series started on a note that this show was about people dying, and some did die), but it kind of precludes any kind of "happy" ending. It's a given that a satisfactory ending doesn't have to be necessarily happy, though.

The satisfactory ending = "the cake is a lie!"?
It sure seems like an almost too far-fetched thing as things are now... but I guess that without Nunnally, it can't be a truly happy ending for Lelouch either way . I've personally always thought that satisfactory end for Lelouch only meant that he'd succeed with his goal to some degree and learn the truth about his mother's murdser too, maybe.

[Methuselah]

If they do, the'll probably die in 2 episodes like our Vampire. Sad to say, Sunrise actually rushed it.