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Instead he's just casually butchering people he doesn't know are actually evil, thinks nothing of screwing over his friends, and basically spends all his time in delusion. It makes him seem almost malicious as opposed to oblivious. The part where he beat Alpha unconscious and left her crying in the snow nearly made me YEET my computer out a window. I get that its a gag and I'm taking it too seriously, but my problem is that so is the story. To everyone else in the world, all of the events are deadly serious, and the series portrays it as such. It's really irritating because the writer obviously could have just picked one or the other and done perfectly well with it.
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2019-05-17, 00:48 | Link #103 |
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I think him just playing along is part of the charm. The series is just going with the idea that this OP figure has some unknown goal but yet is saving the world. And everyone witness his feats.
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What would he do if he does realize what's going on? Would he commit to helping Shadow Garden or would the revelation that there actually is a power controlling the world from the Shadows cause him to make even more dumber plans to fulfill his Chuuni desires. Would he ever develop out of his sociopathic nature? Is it even possible for him to turn into a relatively normal person? How would Shadow Garden react if they found out their leader is insane? These questions and many more regarding Cid are why I'm continuing to enjoy the story as it is. If Cid turns into a morally normal MC this is just another OP MC Isekai which is boring. Quote:
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I dont know, but any of those possibilities would be more interesting than the current tonal inconsistency. The series is trying to have a real story while also doing a gag narrative and its killing them both. Who said he should be normally moral? I just want him to stop being stupid. If he goes full chuuni and decides to try and take over the world for real or freaks out and runs from it all only to bumble into more trouble, either is fine. Quote:
He led Rose to kill her father and sent the country into chaos because he thought the scene was cool He beat a woman who would literally die for him unconscious to steal her money. And so on. The gag narrative and the serious one undercut each other instead of building off one another. If Cid just wanted to be Chuuni but circumstances keep forcing it into reality, that's be one thing. If the world was just so crazy it kept matching/exceeding his delusions, that'd be fine. But it's just a delusional kid with God powers getting in the way of an actual battle for world dominance instead.
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2019-05-17, 12:32 | Link #107 | |
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Also, you are pretty confused. He didn't start a civil war. It happened because Doem brainwashed Rose's father who was going to be used to kill Midgar's king. All Cid did was giving Rose the power to do something. If you are talking about Yukihime as the one who literally die for him, you are mistaken. Her life was already crap and Cid didn't say that he was betraying her. All he said that he was going to pay her and Shadow Garden back for their help. |
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Also it should be noted that the rare times he showed empathy, such as when he confronted Sherry's step-father in arc 2, the narration cuts towards 3rd person so we have no idea if Cid is being genuine or if he's being Chuuni like usual. Quote:
Also he's definitely egocentric. The dude basically puts his own goals above anything else and there were several times where he outright said that the world can go fuck itself as long as he gets his. He's the rare type of egocentric where he's selfish but not prideful so his personality allows him to look bad and play the fool as long as it furthers his own goals. Also I would contest that he's stupid at the very least from a IQ standpoint. He's shown no difficulty in trying to understand things when he bothers to listen and he also masters things he puts effort in such as piano, anatomy (he corrected his sister's misconception on chocking and knows the human body enough to know where to get stabbed and still be relatively fine) and developing his slime weapons. Fighting is especially a area where it's repeatedly emphasized by literally everyone that Cid isn't just a unskilled but strong stat monster like say Saitama, he is legit world class at every aspect of fighting be it skill, intelligence or power and it's sorta stated that he mastered every aspect of fighting (Hand to hand, weapon, etc. etc.) before getting isekaied which would imply extremely high learning abilities. His primary issue comes down to being egocentric and lacking the ability to see other's viewpoints. He doesn't bother to listen to anyone else (it's heavily implied that he doesn't listen to Beta's reports at all) if he's not interested and doesn't bother to consider that his viewpoint and assumptions may be wrong which leads to him getting the wrong conclusions about his situation. Quote:
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Cid does not realize that the world isn't ordinary. He thinks the cult, Shadow Garden, the demons, and everything else is just more people like him acting out fantasies. Quote:
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Also sociopaths can form "friendships" and even emotional attachment with other people especially high functioning sociopaths. That's even more true in fiction where characters who are characterized as sociopaths are often times the "good guys" based on emotional attachment or friendship with someone whose genuinely a good person (often times the MC). Note that I actually don't think that Cid's a full blown sociopath but like I said before, he has sociopathic qualities and he definitely has some form of mental disorder. Quote:
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Besides even if he does have concern over Rose's safety he likely assumed that she would be safe after healing her from the Diabolos curse which granted her enough strength where only high level members of Shadow Garden, the cult or exceptionally strong magic swordsman (such as Iris) can beat her. He definitely didn't expect her to go straight into the fire and interrupt his Chuuni fun time. |
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W/e tho. You think Cid's dumb. I think Cid's issues come from mental disorders. We both laid out our arguments thoroughly. Agree to disagree. Quote:
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For example he understood that his sister got kidnapped. He thinks it's bandits instead of the Order but that still doesn't change the danger of his sisters kidnapping. Instead of showing urgency to help his sister he does the whole "throw knife at map" trope to look cool and it just happened to work out for him. He also understood that Alexia got kidnapped but he let himself got captured and tortured for a week in order to keep up the appearance of a "mob" instead of rushing to help her. During the battle with the vampire queen Cid should've a least understood that everyone there was under threat of dying (besides himself) from how wounded and beat up they were but still weighed himself down with gold instead of prioritizing everyone's life ("everyone" included his sister and Beta) which made the battle much harder than it should've been and could've killed the bystanders there if the Vampire Queen bothered to target them instead of Cid. The list of Cid not caring about the lives of people he's close to just goes on and on which is why I don't think his actions change even if he understands the situation. That isn't to say that Cid completely doesn't care if people live or die (he'll help people if it doesn't inconvenience himself) but rather that if he'll always prioritize having fun as a Chuuni over other people. |
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As for mental illness, there's no support for it. Your extrapolating based off his behavior, except that Cid is a gag character. He acts like he does because that's the joke, there isn't anything medically wrong with him. He misunderstands because the joke is that he misunderstands. He didn't think they could read the note. Quote:
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I do have a feeling that the author is going to eventually treat Cid seriously and give him character development but that's more of a speculation than a argument. Quote:
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I want to know is what kind of relationship Alpha and Cid have? It's more like Delta's since she treats him like her brother unlike most of the girls who won't mind to sleep with him.
And then there's the Oriana Kingdom. I do wonder what kind of relationship they had with Diabolos. Could it be Diabolos sleeps within the kingdom? |
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