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View Poll Results: To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 46 | 49.46% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 23 | 24.73% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 17.20% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 5.38% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.08% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 1.08% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.08% | |
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2011-03-07, 00:20 | Link #101 | |
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Just did some number crunching in the episode 19 thread, and I'm glad that they decided to leave out the explanation of how Accelerator used the rotational kinetic energy of Earth to launch the building as a bullet. Decided to quote here for relevance:
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2011-03-07, 01:00 | Link #104 | |
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Just you wait until he becomes even more hax later on. You'll have a field day with what is know as Black Wings |
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2011-03-07, 01:23 | Link #105 | |
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(not a spoiler, seeing as the relevant novel was already turned into a anime - it just didn't make it into the anime) |
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2011-03-07, 01:37 | Link #106 | |
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What Accelerator did in the novel was throw a slab of concrete he gouged out from a wall. The direct text from the novel:
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(2 parts. Click to enlarge) Yes, it would be catastrophic if it hit any other structure or feature capable of stopping it, but the fact is that it was targeted at Aleister Crowley's Windowless Building. The fact that it absorbed all that energy and didn't even get a single scratch should give you a hint on what that building really is. This is what the main point of that scene is -- not Accelerator's strength or power, but the nature of the Windowless Building and the one that resides in it.
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2011-03-07, 02:28 | Link #107 | |
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Unfortunately I can't read Japanese, is there a translation available? In any case, I highly doubt the figures are accurate. From the second image it appears that he's talking about how much linear velocity was taken from the earth's rotation, which I don't know what he plans to do with because the total kinetic rotational energy of Earth is a factor of angular velocity, not rotational translational. *NOTE 1*
Now, I'm not sure if you're entirely aware of methods of transferring energy, but 1.78x10^24 kJ completely translated into kinetic energy for a slab of concrete (that has a mass of, let's say 1 metric ton or 1000 kg) would be able to make that slab of concrete reach a speed of 1.88x10^12 meters per second. That's right, there's so much energy present, the slab would travel faster than the speed of light. *NOTE 2* If you remember back to physics 1, you can recall that you can describe energy as the amount of force exerted across a distance. What the the author is claiming here, is that Accelerator exerted enough force on the slab at the initial point, to make its average force across the entire distance to the building equivalent to 5 minutes of Earth's rotational kinetic energy. Moving on to a mistaken assumption now: Quote:
I might be getting carried away though and missing some key-factor in my rough calculations, and I'm sure someone here is willing to point out an error if I've made one. Otherwise I'm inclined to believe that I'm correct and that if Accelerator was a real person, no continent would be safe from his wrath. But as you mentioned, the point is how durable the windowless building is, and we can conclude that it is strong enough to withstand a blast of 20 billion combined nuclear warheads. *NOTE 1* I see the numbers 1700 km, and 1654 km which are the respective rotational translational speeds of a point of the surface of the Earth. The reason why you can't calculate the total kinetic rotational energy of the Earth with these numbers is because you must factor how much energy it takes to rotate every single particle of mass on the planet, not just the outermost layer. *NOTE 2* Since it's impossible to travel faster than the speed of light, we have to use relativistic calculations for the velocity of this object, Ek = mc^2(1/(sqrt(1-(v/c)^2)) - 1) or v = c*sqrt(-mc^2/Ek + 1/Ek^2 + 1). The speed of the slab would reach 299,792,450.4 meters per second, which is only 7.6 meters per second slower than the speed of light. Last edited by Cantelope; 2011-03-07 at 02:45. Reason: trying to make easier to understand |
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2011-03-07, 06:35 | Link #108 |
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finally we enter the climax....
Accelerator rocks!! It's quite funny when Accel and Touma talks each other by phone.... and finally Misaka and Index entered too this is a kind of development that I'm waiting for..... ^^ |
2011-03-07, 10:04 | Link #111 | |
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2011-03-07, 13:12 | Link #113 | ||
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I realize this is a work of fiction though, and that they're allowed to break from reality in extremes, but the nature of Index makes it half-believable to people unfamiliar with what physics is actually like in reality. I feel like it's a good idea to make sure at least a few people are aware that the implications of the show are either utterly exaggerated (everything Accelerator does) or straight up impossible (Kihara, I'm looking at you). |
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2011-03-07, 16:03 | Link #114 | ||
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argh, can't believe i just typed that after all the times i bitched about the railgun or accelerator's wall-bullet scene >___< |
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2011-03-07, 16:16 | Link #115 | ||
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Saying that Aleister Crowley is some sort of existence that is immune to the immense forces that a black hole exerts on things is exactly synonymous to saying that he's a being that is more majestic and powerful than the things that hold entire galaxies together. Am I the only one who thinks it's ridiculous for an author to expect me to accept that a single person is so significant, our 100,000 light year wide galaxy revolves around a single upside-down man that's 1/20,000,000,000,000,000th the size of a single light year? It's about believable scaling, scaling damnit! Is that too much to ask for?! Quote:
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2011-03-07, 16:22 | Link #116 | |
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Spoiler for two sides to this:
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2011-03-07, 16:38 | Link #118 | |
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A Christian Arch Angel with less than 50% of her power can completly bent the laws of gravity with Astral in Hand, throwing every astralogical bodies in unvierse in whatever directions she like. Now, Aleister Crowley, who is an aeon above the Arch Angel.... I see no trouble him completly bending the law of universe... wait, isn't he doing that right now???? |
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2011-03-07, 16:39 | Link #119 | ||
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I've just been saying that if some person like Accelerator actually existed, with his magical ability to manipulate vectors, and he pulled this episode 21 stunt, he would completely destroy an entire continent, not just knock a couple of buildings over. Quote:
*NOTE* Read: even the most remote resemblence to reality/believability
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2011-03-07, 16:48 | Link #120 | |
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Realistic or not, Creating plasma from compressing wind and using the Earth's rotation to throw buildings are vastly more creative than a typical death ray.
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