2007-09-08, 17:16 | Link #102 |
King of Hosers
Join Date: Dec 2005
Age: 41
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I luled..."mkv'ers blast people that use PCM". Who uses PCM at all with their files nowadays?
/me waves to the idea of saving bitrate whatsoever It's also funny the idea that MKV is somehow "new" just because it is being used for HD files now. MKV has been around a looooong time. Even used by fansubber's "evul" counterparts, who we shan't name in this hallowed place, for around 4 years or more now. And even back then it was fairly well developed, and the software for it has always been there. They've only added more onto it as the years went on, making it even more awesome. Fear the power as MKV finally comes into its own with the mainstream. Phear o' ignorant ones, and continue to post your randomness. We enjoy lawling. The format works. Put the same streams into AVI and it won't make a difference. It only means you have a shitty slow computer, not the format's fault. |
2007-09-12, 19:20 | Link #103 | |
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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(About mkv) sore point. No support in hardware players mean less incentive to use the format. Kinda chicken and egg. Weird, since there is no license fee to pay, unlike mp4, and there are players with mp4 container support out there. |
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2007-09-13, 01:24 | Link #104 | ||
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2007-09-13, 02:53 | Link #105 |
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Well, it may be simply because people know what .avi files are and are already used to it.
I have one anime set which are in .ogg and .mkv of around 300mb per episode and aside from the ability to remove the subs/change the audio track, I found the video quality around the same as a 200mb .avi file. If the extra audio was encoded at 192kbps, it would still only take an extra 36mb for 25 minutes, so my experience of .mkv has actually been worse than .avi. |
2007-09-13, 05:54 | Link #106 |
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CCCP makes playing mkv very easy and sees download numbers in the hundred thousands each month.
Multiple audio or sub tracks are not at all mandatory for mkv and in fact fansubbers don't use them that much. Also comparing filesizes is for video quality is rather moot, it's the bitrate and codec that matters. There avi fails for not properly supporting h.264. Furthermore avi can't store chapters which is something you don't want to miss once you've gotten used to skipping the nth OP animation in a 26 ep series with a simple keypress. |
2007-09-13, 13:58 | Link #107 | |
King of Hosers
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Different encoders do different things. Of course someone's AVI will not be equivalent to someone elses MKV version. Not to mention people use different sources (see Raws), different filtering settings, different codecs, and different parameters in those codecs. If someone did a real shoddy job on their encode and used MKV, that has nothing to do with MKV. That's the fault of a shoddy encoder :P. The same could be said of horrid AVI encodes, which abound everywhere because it's simple for someone to press a button in VDub. Not the fault of AVI, it's just newbish encoders. Container has nothing to do with quality of streams, except that MKV allows the choice to use better codecs (thus possibly higher quality). |
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2007-09-15, 04:13 | Link #108 |
Certified Organic
Join Date: Dec 2005
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I think h264 in MKV will start to be more common, but it will not replace divx or xvid in avi. They can easily both live in harmony. alot of people will have to upgrade their computers in the next two years, so as they do, older formats will slowly filter out.
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2007-09-15, 21:36 | Link #111 | |
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Not that I think fansubbers should be using older codecs as their primary release, but to completely drop support for moderately-aged systems would be ludicrous to much of the world that can't afford such luxury. I didn't expect people to pander to me when I was using a Tandy 1000 in 1997, but it was nice when I wasn't completely cut off. |
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2007-09-15, 21:56 | Link #112 |
makes no files now
Join Date: May 2006
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I probably don't know in that case. I don't really see nowadays someone using something older than a P3 or Duron (and mind you, both of those can play 704x400 23.976fps hardsubbed h264 encodes. And I'm not talking about some crazy 3Mbit/s encodes. Softsubs sure become an issue here, but mplayer/libass are a very good solution).
I can see 720p h264 encodes being a problem (damn, sometimes even I had to download the XviD versions for that), but then again mplayer did do the trick in most cases. But then most groups which do such releases provide an SD counterpart (be it XviD or h264 again)... OK, if it comes to the third-world countries; Surely. However it's not like those are going to have Internet connections in the first place (or any means of getting their hands on such entertainment). Second and first is something different (in fact from some of my personal experience the ones from the latter mentioned part quite often have more powerful systems than the ones from the other part). It's not really a luxury from my point of view. Computer parts have become so cheap and available nowadays that you could use them as toilet paper (and this is coming from a student with no stable means of income)...
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2007-09-16, 03:59 | Link #114 |
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Join Date: Sep 2006
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And I see a lot of other problems for computers with so old they can't play SD H.264. Old version of Windows and Mac OS X will not be supported by Microsoft and Apple, so you can't have a secured and up to date system. Same with a lot of other software (Office...). Old computers will also not be able to visit average website with all this flash and ajax madness. Sure, you can always use anti-bloatwares and linux with old computers. But people knowing and willing to do this usually also know ways to upgrade at the lower cost.
Even if you think you have limited needs and you're computer is good enough, there is always a day you'll really need to upgrade. It can be because you have new needs, or worse, just to continue doing the same thing ! It's like that for years and i think it will continue to be like that, even if the power-race has slowed down. XviD->H.264 transition is only one small reason in the vast pool of good and bad reasons that will force you to upgrade, willing or not. |
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