One Piece - Chapter 597 (manga)

[Freya]

Originally Posted by Hisoka??

*cross fingers and hope zorro doesn't learn haki but some swordsman thingy*

anyway, I doubt haki is going to be the new kamehameha. It's more likely going to be a stat booster/ weapon enhancement and the fighting will still be the same. sort of like SSJ3 I guess.

That's what it's been the whole time.

And plus why wouldn't you want Zoro to learn it? I'm sure Mihawk can use it....yes I'm like 100% sure. Don't start saying some bs "Oh he's never shown to have used it!"

[Hisoka??]

Originally Posted by Freya

That's what it's been the whole time.

And plus why wouldn't you want Zoro to learn it? I'm sure Mihawk can use it....yes I'm like 100% sure. Don't start saying some bs "Oh he's never shown to have used it!"

I want there to be something else other than haki and zorro/swordsmen seems to be the most likely object. Just haki would be a little boring.

Actually it appears some people expect haki to be some sort of new weapon or chi technique that will be become the new style of fighting....

[Freya]

Originally Posted by Hisoka??

I want there to be something else other than haki and zorro/swordsmen seems to be the most likely object. Just haki would be a little boring.

Actually it appears some people expect haki to be some sort of new weapon or chi technique that will be become the new style of fighting....

That's the whole point though. All of the Vice Admirals and up can use it so why can't the SHs? I mean they're going to NEED it when they get to the New World. Just learning some new techniques here and there ain't going to do it.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by Wrath88

Zoro-Chances are he'll fight Mihawk to a draw, and take his leave with an agreement to settle their duel in the future. The baboons will also leave him alone when he leaves the island.

No, simply no... Zoro will NOT could of this as Mihawk's equal
Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world, standing above all others... if Zoro can equal him than every other swordsman in the new world will be practically child's play. WAY too much power for the START of the new world

Originally Posted by Hisoka??

I for one think that's shoddy writing the tattoo might not have been captured in the pictures such as if they took the pictures att the wrong angle or decided to just show his face. Or worse the world government suppressing the story.

If it was Luffy who came up with the idea alone, I'll put it down to him being simple minded, but the whole thing smells more like some one smarter and more considered. Therefore feels weird not to immediately consider the problem of the tattoos not being captured.

Plans are often not perfect... They set up Luffy in a position that just screamed front page photo op; any good photography/editor would know it's best to publish a picture of him praying instead of just his face... only thing they had to worry about is a picture being taken from the wrong side (though i would say a photography with good artistic sense would know his right side would be the better side as that's the hand he's holding to his chest). simple thing is, Luffy and Rayliegh can read the news aswell and see how the picture came out... If the plan failed as you said then they can try something different... obviously though it didn't

Also you might be overestimating the gov't's ability to suppress the news. I think that was part of the point the marines made when talking about the incident when they mentioned how many reporters got to see what Luffy was doing... Suppressing news becomes harder when you have so many reporters... Impel down, Enies lobby, Moria, Croc; these were all suppressed/controlled by the gov't by some degree but if you notice there was VERY few if any reporters or civilian witnesses actually on the scene; impel down and enies lobby only had marines and gov't agents as witnesses; there was no body on Moria's island; and no one actually saw Luffy beat Croc... the gov't has not if i recall, shown the ability to stop the spreading of news AFTER reporters got their hands on it, only before

[Battler-kun]

Hahaha, wth are you people talking about?!

Zoro was actually the first Strawhat to show off HAKI!

Goddamnit.
You forget the fight with MR.1 ?! Where Zoro could SENSE HIS SWORDS?!
Yes, that's Haki.
One could even argue that he already showed it in the fight against Mihawk (atleast it is displayed such in the anime with the moment of silence where he just sensed himself and Mihawk and everything else was blurred/blended out).

[pampz21]

syet no OP for a month....that sucks but the more you wait the more you get excited....meaning of 4 weeks is october! october=fall series 2010=More fun=IcanDie smilling!...the question is Oda wanting us to think that 4 weeks=2years in OP time line....and then ch 498 they depart to new world? and reunion with the straw hats

EDIT: seeing you people concerns about Zoro's power....i think its not haki but saki! the intention of killing your enemy!

[Hisoka??]

Originally Posted by Freya

That's the whole point though. All of the Vice Admirals and up can use it so why can't the SHs? I mean they're going to NEED it when they get to the New World. Just learning some new techniques here and there ain't going to do it.

I'm not saying he just learns some new sword styles. I mean he goes another route to be able to be on par or better them. For example the breath technique (assuming it's not haki) could be a good replacement.

Actually on another note, given the armour haki, the rokusho's iron body technique seems to be a poor man's version?

Slayerx: they needed to get the message out fast and can't just wait for another 2 days to tell the crew. They were supposed to meet in 3 days originally and it would have been hilarious and seriously late if they had only gotten the message at the end of day 2 or start of day 3. especially when you consider that they needed to travel great distances. But I'll agree that there might have been no other choice because they needed to confuse the marines as well.

[james0246]

LOL, I loved Hancock gripping Rayleigh's nose. Don't know why, but that tweak was uber funny to me.

[TrueElements]

you know the downside?? Thats a whole 2 years of flashbacks that is going to come out when we least expect it.

[Boduar]

I really am hoping we dont get any flash backs to the time during the 2 year timeskip at least as far as the crew is concerned simply because there is no real need. Besides maybe Robin its fairly cut and dry exactly what everyone is doing. Theres no reason to go back and show specifics of the experiment that franky did to learn how to modify the sunny to shoot lazer beams.

That being said it should be interesting to see how everyone looks in 2 years besides Brooke/Franky. I am really hoping for Usopp to be more tolerable at least since hes one of the reasons I put off reading One piece for over a year after I first looked at it.

[Nochgo]

All I'm hoping is for the SH to get together and start their adventure once more, which seems to be very close by now (please, oh please no flash back. I had enough of that for at least another good 10 years). I just hope it will have the same feeling as it did during the first half of grand line.

What I'm afraid of is that the characters might be overpowered. Sure, they aren't exactly the strongest of the group, but they are very strong already. One of the things I enjoyed the most about OP was the pacing of growth the SH went through. It felt very natural, for the entire duration of the series up til now (Naruto and Bleach failed at this, big time..). I'm wondering how much more growth, if any, we will see after this power up. No change = no more fun.

Though I say this, that doesn't mean I don't want to see a large power up for the group. Like, they are being trained by the best of the best in their trades for 2 years, so you'd have to expect the power up to be substantial. So I'm really anxious to see how Oda will deal his hand. Because its Oda, I rather have high expectations from him, and hopefully he will be able to match mine and everyone else's.

[Hisoka??]

Originally Posted by Nochgo

All I'm hoping is for the SH to get together and start their adventure once more, which seems to be very close by now (please, oh please no flash back. I had enough of that for at least another good 10 years). I just hope it will have the same feeling as it did during the first half of grand line.

What I'm afraid of is that the characters might be overpowered. Sure, they aren't exactly the strongest of the group, but they are very strong already. One of the things I enjoyed the most about OP was the pacing of growth the SH went through. It felt very natural, for the entire duration of the series up til now (Naruto and Bleach failed at this, big time..). I'm wondering how much more growth, if any, we will see after this power up. No change = no more fun.

Though I say this, that doesn't mean I don't want to see a large power up for the group. Like, they are being trained by the best of the best in their trades for 2 years, so you'd have to expect the power up to be substantial. So I'm really anxious to see how Oda will deal his hand. Because its Oda, I rather have high expectations from him, and hopefully he will be able to match mine and everyone else's.

As mentioned, flashback to training would probably be done on a needs basis or as a final act of training so should be quite short. But they will need loads of flashbacks to cover the events of the past 2 years.

I won't be worried about being overpowered. The strawhats have always been shown to be vastly superior to all the others in the vicinity except the main antagonist of the arc. THis has been true for the whole manga except for the very recent rescue arc. So even if they are overpowered compared to the rest it will just be as per normal, so long as their real enemies are strong too and I doubt there will be a lack of that in the New World.

For growth, they'll keep growing. Rayleigh made a point of saying that he will only beat the basics in to luffy. basics only = room to grow. Not sure about the rest though, because they won't be learning a new skill so to speak.

[ashesatdusk]

Originally Posted by paradox13

What the hell are you talking about man?

You're saying like thats a rare thing.

Everyone in the world who has a job needs to bust their ass everyday. Hell I work at an accounting firm, and everyone gets into work at 8 30 in the morning leaves at 8 at night, full 12 hours with 1.5 hrs for lunch.
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A big reason is they need money to pay bills, other wise they probably would take a vacation a bit more often. A mangaka whose sold 200 million volumes is probably can take a break when they feel like it. The fact he consistently delivers a quality product and it comes on time merits him that right. If you can't deal, don't read it.

[paradox13]

that would make no sense. Luffys one of the rare people who can use the King's haki and you think he's not going to learn that one? Ok.

What?

Did you read my post?

cool story bro, but let me ask you a question. Do you get vacation days at your job?

Yes, and I'm sure Oda does too.

And I'm sure Oda works less hard then most of my colleagues at work.

He publishes 20 pages a week, with 4 assistants helping him.

Hes a creative guy, I love him, but no-one here can argue that hes got a bad job and that he 'deserves' a long break (Due to the exhausting nature of his job).

A big reason is they need money to pay bills, other wise they probably would take a vacation a bit more often. A mangaka whose sold 200 million volumes is probably can take a break when they feel like it. The fact he consistently delivers a quality product and it comes on time merits him that right. If you can't deal, don't read it.

Yo wtf?

I'm arguing against the statement 'Oda deserves a holiday because hes busting his ass'. I'm not denying hte fact that he has the ability to take a holiday whenever he wants.

Which he evidently can, judging by the multitude of breaks that have occured over the past year.

[ashesatdusk]

I just read the chapter. I had two thoughts. The probability is small, but the island had a civilization that lost a battle of survival, could they be connected to the void century civilization.

The 2nd was is that chesire cat?

[paradox13]

The 2nd was is that chesire cat?

Lol. . . .

[John D.]

Originally Posted by Blackbeard D. Kuma

2 years is ample time for the strawhats to get stronger, because right now they're far from ready for entering the New World. In order for them to contend with the big players, that's a reasonable amount of time to train. Good decision by Oda, I feel .

The only issue I have with the two year time skip is the stark contrast it puts the Straw Hats to those Supernovas who succeed in the New World without two years of training (Kidd and Law feels likely to become notorious in NW in those two years). I mean, Luffy and Kidd was portrayed as roughly equal (as rivals) at Sabaody, but Luffy needs two years of personal tutelage from the Dark King Rayleigh himself while Kidd will probably manage and grow on his own in the New World.

However, aside from that, I'm excited over the time-skip. It'll be cool to see how the Straw Hats have changed and the new state of the world after two years (Blackbeard will definitely be a Yonkou).

Originally Posted by ashesatdusk

Regarding Zoro. Zoro's ambition is to become the world's greatest Swordsman, not defeat Mihawk. Mihawk was simply Zorro's goal since he currently holds the title. Training under mihawk doesn't mean abandoning his dream, as the relationship changes to one where he is a disciple trying to one day overcome his master, the world's greatest swordsman. I guess this is a subjective interpretation, as I do not take throwing away his pride, as the same as abandoning one's dream.

No one is saying that Zoro has abandoned his dream to become the strongest swordsman, rather that recieving training from Mihawk would diminish Zoro's achievement if he accomplish his dream by defeating Mihawk. But I trust Oda, and if Mihawk remains as Zoro's stepping stone to his dream, then Oda will bring back the tension.

[Distinction]

Originally Posted by james0246

Joking aside, anyone else think that Mihawk will be taken down by someone else now?

Tbh i also think that, in the moment Zorro trains under Mihawk means that eventually Mihawk gets taken out and Zorro has to fight the winner (prolly Shiriew-forgot spelling).

There will be probably a recap of what happens in the 2 years and than chapter 600 baam and they gathered all.

Also nice from Jinbei to wait for them and help them in the fishmanisland.
Jimbei is now the only chance for the Fi to stop the chaos that will be after Wb died.

In this 2 years the Shs will be pretty strong so i wonder wha enemies will showup first after the time-skip.

Oh and also i love Usopp and so im really really dissapointed that Oda actually limits his growth. It was so unnecessary to say "he will always be the weakest SH " especially because he is the most human-like.

[mechalord]

All the straw hats will master some haki, eventually. Mantra seems to be quite common. Whitebeards' commanders seem to be able to have a grasp of armor haki and mantra. I anticipate that all the straw hats will eventually gain the ability to hit the intangible and protect themselves with their auras. All the top pirate crews are powerful haki users. Everyone at Vice Admiral and above is a powerful haki master.

Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and Usopp seem like they'll "master" mantra and armor haki in 2 years. Luffy's conqueror haki may be unique to him, for now.

The entire crew won't return with the ability to hit Logia but at least some will.

Rayleigh says that most people favor one form of haki, the one they are best at.

I see Zoro using Mantra and armor haki at high levels, with no favorite. I see Sanji favoring mantra, avoiding hits and probably incorporating more grappling into his fighting style. I see Usopp favoring armor, brushing off powerful attacks and then hitting with armor haki infused ammo and maybe spear attacks. I see Luffy favoring none, using all 3 equally well.


Oh yeah, do you think Perona will pick up some moves from Mihawk? She is going to sit in on the classes, that's probably a given.

[Kallen4life]

The only issue I have with the two year time skip is the stark contrast it puts the Straw Hats to those Supernovas who succeed in the New World without two years of training (Kidd and Law feels likely to become notorious in NW in those two years)

Law hasn't even entered yet .. and I wouldn't be surprised if Kidd gets pulverized sooner or later .. in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if all SPNovas except SH's (and maybe Law, since he is so tactical and plans far ahead, bides his time) get wiped out in the NW

or after getting some quick fame in the NW, Kidd or another SPNova get made Shichibukai and go back to the first half (since that's where they seem to hang out mostly .. except Mihawk (he meets up with Shanks, who should be in the NW), but then again he seems to be equal to a Yonkou .. and Kuma, he seems to be among the top tier in OP-verse, nigh-indestructible body and a kinda broken DF)

if Kidd's crew does succeed, then perhaps they are/were stronger then the SH's at this point