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I never said anything about total equality. That's absurd. At the very least, the America of NOW compared to the America of THEN is so drastically different in terms of discrimination, it shouldn't be funny. THAT's what I'm talking about. That discrimination DOES and CAN fade. Quote:
He did try to find a way to die, but he wanted his death to not be in vain. He doesn't want useless deaths. Quote:
Do NOT kill opponents and just disarm them so they can't fight anymore. Kill only when really needed. Quote:
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2008-04-13, 12:20 | Link #103 | |
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1. Suzaku works hard. 2. Emperor rewards his effort for being "The Strong and Useful>" 3. ??? 4. PROFIT! That is all. Even without a regime change, he may change everything. That is the possibility that he is banking on.
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2008-04-13, 12:25 | Link #104 | |
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The "???" is EXACTLY the problem. It doesn't exist, thus the plan fails.
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2008-04-13, 12:25 | Link #105 | ||||
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[quote] Jesus-style of combat is Kira Yamato's fighting style in GSD: Do NOT kill opponents and just disarm them so they can't fight anymore. Kill only when really needed.[quote] Yeah...again, don't see how this has to do with him hoping to change the empire. And Suzaku has killed people in s1, ep6 I think. Quote:
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2008-04-13, 12:39 | Link #108 | |||||
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Suzaku knows it's possible because of the kind Britannians that he's met. Quote:
But the hope that he has is not the hope he had for joining, but the hope he gained from seeing Britannians like Lelouch and Nunnally are no different from the Japanese. Mutual understanding destroys discrimination, is probably his line of thinking, and terrorism really puts a damper in mutual understanding. Which is also why Suzaku dislikes Lelouch's "terrorism" as Zero as well as the various terrorist groups around the early episodes. Quote:
Suzaku didn't want people to die so he fought Jesus-style to lessen as many deaths as possible he'd cause in the battlefield. And Jesus-style doesn't mean you don't kill anyone, it means you don't kill unless you have no choice but to do so. But judging from episode 24-25 and the OP and the preview, Suzaku seems to have thrown that away. He now accepts Lelouch's method to the madness to achieve his goals. Quote:
Yes, I know. No one has a secure future in Code Geass concerning their goals. But what I'm trying to say is that Schneizel is in the best position to effect such change and Suzaku should've understood that by now. If not, I'd slap him if possible.
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2008-04-13, 12:45 | Link #109 | |
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The "???" is the sticking point; there is no clear path for Suzaku to reach the goal you say he is going for. And yet he is killing people to get there.
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2008-04-13, 12:53 | Link #110 | |||
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I will not try to inject what does not exist as Suzaku's plan because it isn't concrete yet. Quote:
Unless you're an idiot, you know that Schneizel will become the Emperor one day if Lelouch loses his bid for world domination. Currying favor from both men will most certainly allow Suzaku a fair amount of influence in the incoming imperial succession. Quote:
No, then don't ask me that. What we know is that both of them will walk their respective paths and that they have goals that they are aiming for. Leave them be for now.
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2008-04-13, 12:54 | Link #111 | ||||
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Suzaku knows that because of like 6, maybe 7 britainnians he's met that's nice to him, it's possible to change the system? As opposed to the countless others he hasn't met and who aren't that nice? I mean, let's consider that there were about 5 britainnians bullying the hotdog vendor, maybe 2-3 more who scribbled on Suzakus tshirt at school, the other maids who bullied Kallens real mother, Kallens adopted mother, the britainnian yakuza, the britainnian noble who was beating the stuffing out of that little japanese boy who was distributing fliers, most of the people in the inner sanctum of the tower of babel, all the army troops who basically just killed japanese non-discriminately.... Yeah...I have a hard time believe that, as you put it, Suzaku knows its possible. -_- He might THINK its possible, maybe hope it's possible, but knows it? Yeah...kind of a stretch there. Quote:
And again, like I mentioned before, I doubt he had the hope of changing the system from within when he joined the army. Not going to state it again. It's only a few posts back anyway. One might wonder if the real reason he doesn't like Zero and his OoTBK is because they're messing up his idealized and rationalized vision of himself and showing that basically, he didn't have to kill his father years ago and that the britainnians can be defeated. Quote:
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Schneizel? Again, not enough said about his character at times.
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As for that quote about him ruling the world, wasn't the exact line the man who would have the world in his hand? It's got slightly diff. connotations.
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2008-04-13, 13:02 | Link #113 | |
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And I know how Lulu will resolve the chaos after Britannia falls. He will set up a new government, with or without himself in charge. It's hard, but it has been done before and hardly impossible. And no, Suzaku can't curry favour from both the Emperor and the successor. The successor has to take the Throne by force, so Suzaku will have to pick a side. Since Suzaku chose to be a Knight of the Round, it shall now be his JOB to keep the current Emperor exactly where he is, and kill anyone who try to overthrow him. If Schneizel become the new Emperor, it is because Suzaku had already been killed trying to defend the old Emperor.
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You may say naive, but that's Suzaku. Quote:
All Suzaku is thinking about now is his plan to change everything not minding the sacrifice now. Quote:
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I was only explaining the fact that while Suzaku before had this "lawful" way of doing things, Suzaku now doesn't or at least, bends a lot. Quote:
They are the ones who will "breathe new life" into the empire.
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2008-04-13, 13:04 | Link #115 |
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At this point I kind of wish he would get killed off. Not because I think he's not a worthwhile rival villain character, but just so people will stop complaining about him already. Having to read hundreds upon hundreds of comments on the internet from people who have nothing to offer on the character besides "DIE, BURN IN HELL!" or "F*** SUZAKU" is mentally exhausting. I mean every time he shows up I groan because I know I'm going to have to hear the 2-minutes hate like with Goldstein in 1984, and I'm the Winston Smith wondering what the point is.
The thing is I don't find him the best character either but I don't go around screaming about it every week like some people. He's nowhere near that level of bad and I've seen characters I outright hate that have seen a more subdued reaction from me. If you don't believe me just see my comments on Sunohara Youhei from Clannad. |
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Dipping on both sides of the pond isn't impossible.
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And as I keep saying, there is no evidence anywhere that he has a plan for changing anything at all. His current job is to make his "plan" harder to achieve, thus the longer he works for the Emperor, the further away he is to his goal. Lulu has a plan. And everyone who works with him know what it is, as it is simple and worked many times before. While your only explanation on how Suzaku supposedly had a plan was based on the fact that you think he need one, while having no idea what it actually is. Quote:
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The people aren't going to be "educated" by anything except the current Emperor's views.
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