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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 52 | 48.60% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 37 | 34.58% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 10.28% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 4.67% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.93% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.93% | |
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2012-05-27, 11:31 | Link #101 |
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That's what I'm holding out hope for too. Not just because I want to see it animated (though I do), but also because it's the most natural path from Zero. Fate and UBW are better as two parts of a whole, while HF is the compliment to Zero's half.
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2012-05-27, 11:58 | Link #102 | |
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As for the bike augmentation, I feel as though they have done pretty much the best they could have. I mean, Saber summons her armor the same way, except this time, she is summoning her armor on to the bike, so perhaps they (ufotable) were trying to keep some consistency? Or perhaps that is giving them too much credit, lol... Ah well, let us wait and see what the blu-ray can accomplish...
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2012-05-27, 12:16 | Link #103 |
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Gilgamesh: "That was a terrible play, but not bad for your first playwriting attempt"
OMG, I just realised that Kotomine = Urobuchi Gen! It makes a lot of sense if you think about it (thought I can't imagine Kotomine writing a story about magical girls). Saber's Zero Air Resistance Bike was so awesome. She should've used that on her Unit Lion. And I suppose it's pretty redundant saying this at this point but yeah: Kotomine, Zouken and Gilgamesh - All assholes...
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2012-05-27, 12:45 | Link #104 | |
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Could the entire episode be a hidden message to have safer family planning for magi families? Anyway on a more serious I'd say if there was anyone to blame for the whole Tohsaka/Matou fiasco it would be Zouken and/or Kirei. Regardless of Aoi, Tokiomi, or Kariya's actions I think the situation would have been MUCH less tragic if the two aforementioned individuals (Zouken/Kirei) died in a pit somewhere before what happened at Fuyuki Church. PS: It also happens to be easier to pile the blame on Zouken and Kirei because at least Aoi, Tokiomi, and Kariya's intentions were "pure" to varying degrees XD Last edited by Raviel; 2012-05-27 at 12:58. |
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2012-05-27, 13:06 | Link #107 | |
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But I don't think it would be successful in terms of money as HF route lacks Saber.
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2012-05-27, 13:09 | Link #108 |
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This episode felt like a bad Shakespearean tragedy.
Well, I'd say this is quite a fitting end for Kariya, who was intent on blaming all his sufferings on his rival until the very end. He even had the gall to deny having killed Tokiomi when he had every intention of doing so to begin with, regardless of whether he actually ended up doing it or not. Good riddance. On another note, the Kotomine Kirei we all know and love is finally back.
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2012-05-27, 13:11 | Link #109 | |
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2012-05-27, 13:23 | Link #111 | |
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That's because Kirei and Gilgamesh are magnificent bastards and very compelling and sophisticated antagonists. Zouken is just a boringly caricaturesque and one-dimensional villain. |
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2012-05-27, 13:46 | Link #112 | |
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He killed his one true love with his bare hands despite his original reasons for joining the war. I don't see how he can possibly go any lower than he already has. The way I see it, his sole remaining purpose is to sustain Berserker's materialization long enough to be capable of fighting Saber.
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2012-05-27, 14:05 | Link #113 | |
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It should be the same with Kariya, as I'm fairly certain his character won't just be reduced to a plot device so Berserker can still be around. Every death scene in the war thus far has been meaningful and handled with care, and Kariya's end should be no different. He is one of the longest lasting participants for a reason. |
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2012-05-27, 14:28 | Link #114 |
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Aoi is probably one of the worst kind of people out there. Extremely indecisive, uncomfortable with contact, weak-willed, and is a master of blame shifting even though she didn't usually show it on her face. Really, Tokiomi and Kariya were both extremely unfortunate to have fallen in love with her.
In fact, I believe that Aoi was modeled to be the exact opposite of Rin Tohsaka. The saddest end for Fate/Zero's cast will undeniably belong to Kiritsugu (That's like the whole point of the story actually). But the first runner up can only be Kariya's; not even Kayneth's horrible death can top that.
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2012-05-27, 14:31 | Link #115 |
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Where do you get that she's indecisive, uncomfortable with contact, weak-willed, or a master of shifting blame? She did the last one once, after seeing her husband dead and in an incredibly emotional period, but otherwise hasn't shown any implication of any of these.
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2012-05-27, 14:32 | Link #116 |
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She was dead set against Sakura being sent off, but she just submitted to it without putting up a fight. She blamed Kariya for it indirectly by telling him it's none of his business because he ran off from the Matous and basically created that situation (earlier in the story), when Kariya was trying to get her to act on her regrets about Sakura.
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2012-05-27, 14:41 | Link #117 | |
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Kariya is pretty much done. Even if he did manage to save Sakura, what would he say? "Oh by the way I killed your mother, ya sorry about that... Oh I also was going to have this epic deathmatch (even though we all know fire > insect from pokemon) with your father to try to win over your mother but someone beat me to it..."
No matter what he does from this point on he is still the guy that killed Sakura's and Rin's mother all because Aoi yelled at him. And "his" Aoi would never yell at him -_-. I think this summarizes Kariya pretty well: Quote:
Hell you can even interpret everything Kariya's done as trying to "win" over Aoi. I dunno if Urobuchi did that intentionally or not, but if you tried to think of it like that it is somewhat (barely imo) plausible. |
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2012-05-27, 14:52 | Link #118 |
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There are many subtle signs - her character design itself screams volumes - but you'll have to rewatch or reread the anime/novel to understand what I said. In comparison, the young Rin who did everything she can to save her classmate - absolutely reckless and stupid btw, but still - was far more impressive and worthy of respect than Aoi has ever been.
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2012-05-27, 15:29 | Link #119 |
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Whoa, whoa! Kariya, what the hell, man? You just friggin murdered her! Not cool.
Not that I'm mad for Aoi's sake, as she was barely a character in this at all. But he just robbed little Rin of both her parents. What a bastard. And now she's left with Kirei, of all people. Poor child. |
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