Shiniki no Campioness

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

Stella's power depends on the location, so it's not exactly a trump card, but rather something defined by the script. Alec has several ways to fight and a greater locomotion, except that the labyrinth has several levels, Ren would be slow to do anything.

I forgot that detail about Stella, but Ren has godspeed, he can explore the labyrinth much faster, and while he explores, he can use labyrinth's trap to accumulate retribution of Nemesis.

Judging Furies has drawback, is that using them requires Alec to perform a lengthy ritual several to dozens of minutes long beforehand in the area he intends to battle in.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

I forgot that detail about Stella, but Ren has godspeed, he can explore the labyrinth much faster, and while he explores, he can use labyrinth's trap to accumulate retribution of Nemesis.

Judging Furies has drawback, is that using them requires Alec to perform a lengthy ritual several to dozens of minutes long beforehand in the area he intends to battle in.

Alec can force the immediate invocation in the truth, this has already been said, he does not because he usually reserves power and prepare himself in case an escape is necessary.

Alec has a greater range of power and experience, I do not see Ren winning even in a casual encounter, and with Alec's preparation it would be much more scary.


But a fight between the two can end in stalemate if Alec does not have a real motivation, if he has, he would use [Faceless Queen] and [Wandering Avarice] to start while protecting himself in [Labyrinth] and prepares [Judging Furires].

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

I forgot that detail about Stella, but Ren has godspeed, he can explore the labyrinth much faster, and while he explores, he can use labyrinth's trap to accumulate retribution of Nemesis.

Judging Furies has drawback, is that using them requires Alec to perform a lengthy ritual several to dozens of minutes long beforehand in the area he intends to battle in.

Ren's godspeed can't be activate at will. He can only use it to escape from his enemy.

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

Alec can force the immediate invocation in the truth, this has already been said, he does not because he usually reserves power and prepare himself in case an escape is necessary.

Alec has a greater range of power and experience, I do not see Ren winning even in a casual encounter, and with Alec's preparation it would be much more scary.


But a fight between the two can end in stalemate if Alec does not have a real motivation, if he has, he would use [Faceless Queen] and [Wandering Avarice] to start while protecting himself in [Labyrinth] and prepares [Judging Furires].

Forcing invocation can only be used when Alec is injured.

Originally, they could be summoned in exchange of meditating for a certain period.

But, Alec’s own blood and pain could also become the『bait』to summon the three Erinyes.

Alec can shorten his mediation summoning by pouring large amount of energy into it, but to summon them instantly he needs to be injured first.

In casual encounter thing would've end in a stalemate. Alec's lightning attack doesn't have enough power to do serious damage to Ren, and he can escape with godspeed. [Faceless Queen] and [Wandering Avarice] can be reflected with Nemesis's authority.

If Alec had prepared and has knowledge about Ren's authority, all he needs to do is nothing. Ren's authority is useless if Alec didn't take any action. It's an instant win condition. Riona can't catch him either.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Ren's godspeed can't be activate at will. He can only use it to escape from his enemy.



Forcing invocation can only be used when Alec is injured.

Originally, they could be summoned in exchange of meditating for a certain period.

But, Alec’s own blood and pain could also become the『bait』to summon the three Erinyes.

Alec can shorten his mediation summoning by pouring large amount of energy into it, but to summon them instantly he needs to be injured first.

In casual encounter thing would've end in a stalemate. Alec's lightning attack doesn't have enough power to do serious damage to Ren, and he can escape with godspeed. [Faceless Queen] and [Wandering Avarice] can be reflected with Nemesis's authority.

If Alec had prepared and has knowledge about Ren's authority, all he needs to do is nothing. Ren's authority is useless if Alec didn't take any action. It's an instant win condition. Riona can't catch him either.

Nemesis's power is not absolute, has weaknesses, like the pain caused, being caught by [Wandering Aarice] would probably cause overwhelming pain in Ren, he probably could not even have time to reflect on something, or even power to do so. The same can be said for [Faceless Queen] which is a basically independent invocation.

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

Nemesis's power is not absolute, has weaknesses, like the pain caused, being caught by [Wandering Aarice] would probably cause overwhelming pain in Ren, he probably could not even have time to reflect on something, or even power to do so. The same can be said for [Faceless Queen] which is a basically independent invocation.

Yes, Nemesis's authority can't do everything. I fully agree with this point.

However [Wandering Avarice] didn't cause pain when its victim got caught in its attraction force. It simply freeze them on spot. It's also very slow unlike Godou's [Storm bringer]. It will cause pain when Ren's body reached the center and crushed by it.

"Magical sphere of avarice! This is the authority of attraction and compression that Alexandre-sama usurped from the gigantic beast Behemoth! No good, we're being pulled into it!"

"Laying a door guard at the final location beforehand, what thorough planning!"
The attractive pulse released by the submerged sphere immobilized the knight flying in the sky.

Lancelot kicked at her beloved steed's belly, ordering it to gallop, but it could not run. The divine horse attempted to follow the knight's orders and was moving its legs with full force. Normally, it could kick the air as if kicking ground, galloping with great speed. But now, the divine horse's legs were only waving in the air fruitlessly.
Not just the divine horse, but neither Lancelot nor Guinevere could move a single finger either.

They were immobilized by Alec's authority of attracting targets and never releasing them.

Lancelot summoned magical power, trying to break free from the authority's restraints, but it did not work. The source of this attractive force, the sphere, actually moved very slowly. But its attractive power was terrifyingly great in inverse proportion to its slow mobility. Even the white war god could not struggle free.


Ren has plenty of time to reflect the authority. If you're speaking about the pain this authority will take as a compensation. It won't happen until he finished reflect his enemy's attack. At that point, Alec probably stuck in his own authority. And, Ren will escape as far as he could.

When Voban got bit and burned by [Ragnarok wolf] and [Red punishment]. He can't cancel them out despite those two are his authority. Alec shouldn't have any power over the reflected [Wandering Avarice].

[Faceless queen] can definitely be reflected. Ren can use his authority to deflect [Boar] back to Godou in the Drama CD. It's even possible for him to fulfill the condition to unsummon her with his godspeed.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Yes, Nemesis's authority can't do everything. I fully agree with this point.

However [Wandering Avarice] didn't cause pain when its victim got caught in its attraction force. It simply freeze them on spot. It's also very slow unlike Godou's [Storm bringer]. It will cause pain when Ren's body reached the center and crushed by it.

"Magical sphere of avarice! This is the authority of attraction and compression that Alexandre-sama usurped from the gigantic beast Behemoth! No good, we're being pulled into it!"

"Laying a door guard at the final location beforehand, what thorough planning!"
The attractive pulse released by the submerged sphere immobilized the knight flying in the sky.

Lancelot kicked at her beloved steed's belly, ordering it to gallop, but it could not run. The divine horse attempted to follow the knight's orders and was moving its legs with full force. Normally, it could kick the air as if kicking ground, galloping with great speed. But now, the divine horse's legs were only waving in the air fruitlessly.
Not just the divine horse, but neither Lancelot nor Guinevere could move a single finger either.

They were immobilized by Alec's authority of attracting targets and never releasing them.

Lancelot summoned magical power, trying to break free from the authority's restraints, but it did not work. The source of this attractive force, the sphere, actually moved very slowly. But its attractive power was terrifyingly great in inverse proportion to its slow mobility. Even the white war god could not struggle free.


Ren has plenty of time to reflect the authority. If you're speaking about the pain this authority will take as a compensation. It won't happen until he finished reflect his enemy's attack. At that point, Alec probably stuck in his own authority. And, Ren will escape as far as he could.

When Voban got bit and burned by [Ragnarok wolf] and [Red punishment]. He can't cancel them out despite those two are his authority. Alec shouldn't have any power over the reflected [Wandering Avarice].

[Faceless queen] can definitely be reflected. Ren can use his authority to deflect [Boar] back to Godou in the Drama CD. It's even possible for him to fulfill the condition to unsummon her with his godspeed.

You're confusing things, so the attraction has been resisted, what does it guarantee that Ren will resist? If he is caught by authority he will be compressed by the black hole, I do not think Ren can withstand this pain. Remembering that in the case Alec made a trap and was not present, so the Authority did not increase in power or focused on attacking. And [Faceless Queen] has more mobility than the [Boar], outside being a unique Authority other than the [Boar] which is just an incarnation.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

You're confusing things, so the attraction has been resisted, what does it guarantee that Ren will resist? If he is caught by authority he will be compressed by the black hole, I do not think Ren can withstand this pain. Remembering that in the case Alec made a trap and was not present, so the Authority did not increase in power or focused on attacking. And [Faceless Queen] has more mobility than the [Boar], outside being a unique Authority other than the [Boar] which is just an incarnation.

All the campiones have ability to resist to authorities increasing their magical power in their bodies, they also have a sense of danger supernatural, and if Ren uses Nemesis, Alex is going to be dragged along.

Voban's wolves, Uldin's Deinonychus, Godou Boar, all of them are different god's authorities, but all were affected by control authorities. Aisha took over Voban's Werewolves, Godou on Deinonychus of Uldin, and Perseus forced the Boar to disappear, and Circe stole 7 of Godou's authorities, and did not take it all because Godou desperately increased his magical power in his body to resist.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

All the campiones have ability to resist to authorities increasing their magical power in their bodies, they also have a sense of danger supernatural, and if Ren uses Nemesis, Alex is going to be dragged along.

Voban's wolves, Uldin's Deinonychus, Godou Boar, all of them are different god's authorities, but all were affected by control authorities. Aisha took over Voban's Werewolves, Godou on Deinonychus of Uldin, and Perseus forced the Boar to disappear, and Circe stole 7 of Godou's authorities, and did not take it all because Godou desperately increased his magical power in his body to resist.

Ren is not a Campione, he is similar, not equal. There is nothing that guarantees that it will withstand the gravitational pull of a black hole, even more so with Alec being able to control it to get closer to Ren and increase the power of attraction.

Ren has nothing to resist [Wandering Avarice], he could not activate his speed and even if he activated it would be useless against such power. And initially he would only feel the gravitational pull, but then when he approached it would be destroyed by the black hole, it is an Authority of unique effect and of enormous power, surely it is something beyond the capacity of Ren.

Wolves and Dragons were weak, Circe has the power to steal power from heroes and she possesses a great light, just as Perseus overcame the light of Verethragna, not good comparisons.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

Ren is not a Campione, he is similar, not equal. There is nothing that guarantees that it will withstand the gravitational pull of a black hole, even more so with Alec being able to control it to get closer to Ren and increase the power of attraction.

Ren has nothing to resist [Wandering Avarice], he could not activate his speed and even if he activated it would be useless against such power. And initially he would only feel the gravitational pull, but then when he approached it would be destroyed by the black hole, it is an Authority of unique effect and of enormous power, surely it is something beyond the capacity of Ren.

Wolves and Dragons were weak, Circe has the power to steal power from heroes and she possesses a great light, just as Perseus overcame the light of Verethragna, not good comparisons.

Yes Ren is not a campione, I forgot, he is a Godslayer, Godou when he was in ancient Gaul, was also not a campione, because campione is only a title, that confers neither power nor skill.

Voban in Shiniki no Campioness, is also not a campione, he is a Godslayer, because campione in SNC and the name of an organization.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

Yes Ren is not a campione, I forgot, he is a Godslayer, Godou when he was in ancient Gaul, was also not a campione, because campione is only a title, that confers neither power nor skill.

Voban in Shiniki no Campioness, is also not a campione, he is a Godslayer, because campione in SNC and the name of an organization.

You got it wrong, Ren does not have the same characteristics as godslayers in Godou's universe, this has been evident since volume 1.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

Ren is not a Campione, he is similar, not equal. There is nothing that guarantees that it will withstand the gravitational pull of a black hole, even more so with Alec being able to control it to get closer to Ren and increase the power of attraction.

Ren has nothing to resist [Wandering Avarice], he could not activate his speed and even if he activated it would be useless against such power. And initially he would only feel the gravitational pull, but then when he approached it would be destroyed by the black hole, it is an Authority of unique effect and of enormous power, surely it is something beyond the capacity of Ren.

Wolves and Dragons were weak, Circe has the power to steal power from heroes and she possesses a great light, just as Perseus overcame the light of Verethragna, not good comparisons.

it will not make any difference how much freedom [Faceless queen] has it still going to be reflected to Alex, and Godou's Boar has a lot more power than [Faceless queen] and was reflected, and confinameto the Hero of circe was able to dominate Heretic God Odysseus , because it follows the principle of dominating heros, just as Retribution of Nemesis follows the principle of reflecting all evil to its causer.

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

You got it wrong, Ren does not have the same characteristics as godslayers in Godou's universe, this has been evident since volume 1.

So far I have not seen any difference between Ren and other Godslayers, other than their authority.

If it has duck blood, duck feathers, it looks like a duck, but it takes the name "カモ" or "Anatra" and even "بط", so it's not a duck?

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

it will not make any difference how much freedom [Faceless queen] has it still going to be reflected to Alex, and Godou's Boar has a lot more power than [Faceless queen] and was reflected, and confinameto the Hero of circe was able to dominate Heretic God Odysseus , because it follows the principle of dominating heros, just as Retribution of Nemesis follows the principle of reflecting all evil to its causer.



So far I have not seen any difference between Ren and other Godslayers, other than their authority.

If it has duck blood, duck feathers, it looks like a duck, but it takes the name "カモ" or "Anatra" and even "بط", so it's not a duck?

A god automatically idens a godslayer in Campione! due to their instincts, and vice versa. But Ren does not enter into battle mode or similar, he also did not show the same instincts or luck.

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

You're confusing things, so the attraction has been resisted, what does it guarantee that Ren will resist? If he is caught by authority he will be compressed by the black hole, I do not think Ren can withstand this pain. Remembering that in the case Alec made a trap and was not present, so the Authority did not increase in power or focused on attacking. And [Faceless Queen] has more mobility than the [Boar], outside being a unique Authority other than the [Boar] which is just an incarnation.

Let's go by what you've said. If the attraction force won't hurt you if you resist, then I'm sure as hell that Ren will try his absolute best to resist it. His magic resistant can do that.

It's in the authority description that [Wandering Avarice] is extremely slow. Ren has plenty of time to reflect it back. It won't crush him until he reaches the core.

Guinevere has weaker magical power than Godslayer, shouldn't she be crushed already? There's no mention that she raise her power to resist it.

He can go by her speed with his godspeed. [Boar] and [Faceless queen] are giant size avatar, summoned by authority, and have intelligence and will. For me they are pretty much the same

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

You got it wrong, Ren does not have the same characteristics as godslayers in Godou's universe, this has been evident since volume 1.

「To think that you will recover naturally from that state, it seems that godslayers like Rokuhara-san has life force that is off the chart. You will be able to enter a power struggle against cockroach even in earth after mankind is destroyed by nuclear war.」

(Right now, your mind and body are brimming with magical power that surpasses every magician on earth. It completely repels other person’s spell toward you.)

「I’ll explain. In the first place Ren came here using tourist visa you see. When he was accepted into the association Campiones, I made some arrangement to renew his visa into student visa. It’s to make it easier for him to stay here for a long period. But, Rokuhara Ren who is also a godslayer can learn language extremely quickly──」

He's definitely a godslayer. At this point, I think these are godslayer's universal characteristics. All of this came from 1st volume.

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

A god automatically idens a godslayer in Campione! due to their instincts, and vice versa. But Ren does not enter into battle mode or similar, he also did not show the same instincts or luck.

Then why Zeus and other gods keep saying that Ren's a godslayer? How could he usurp Nemesis and Nike authority? Athena told that Ren didn't trigger gods because Stella was in his body.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

A god automatically idens a godslayer in Campione! due to their instincts, and vice versa. But Ren does not enter into battle mode or similar, he also did not show the same instincts or luck.

Ren has a symbiotic relationship with Stella, who is different from the "subordinate god" of Lancelot du Lac, and the gods who were shown in SNC were True God and not Heretic, even with Stella hiding Ren, Apollo and Odin noticed that there was something wrong with him but could not tell what it was.

when Lancelot used a curse to seal his memories to approach Godou, Godou noticed that there was something wrong with her just as Apollo and Odin noticed in Ren, and like them he was not able to come to the conclusion that Lancelot was Heretic God to the point where the curse was undone.

When Godou met Prometheus and Pandora (Self-proclaimed true god) in volume 21 chapter 2, he did not have that effect.

I may be wrong, but I do not remember being mentioned that Aisha suffered this effect, although the Heretic God she made contact had.

Ren should not be confused with 《Demon king of hypocrisy, Kusanagi Godou》, who loves battles, but does not admit it, Ren has never shown a real desire for battle like Aisha.

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

Ren has a symbiotic relationship with Stella, who is different from the "subordinate god" of Lancelot du Lac, and the gods who were shown in SNC were True God and not Heretic, even with Stella hiding Ren, Apollo and Odin noticed that there was something wrong with him but could not tell what it was.

when Lancelot used a curse to seal his memories to approach Godou, Godou noticed that there was something wrong with her just as Apollo and Odin noticed in Ren, and like them he was not able to come to the conclusion that Lancelot was Heretic God to the point where the curse was undone.

When Godou met Prometheus and Pandora (Self-proclaimed true god) in volume 21 chapter 2, he did not have that effect.

I may be wrong, but I do not remember being mentioned that Aisha suffered this effect, although the Heretic God she made contact had.

Ren should not be confused with 《Demon king of hypocrisy, Kusanagi Godou》, who loves battles, but does not admit it, Ren has never shown a real desire for battle like Aisha.

Is there any other Godslayer in SnC for you to claim to be simply Stella? Because the other known is just Voban, who is not of that world(not considering Luo Hao).

And Prometheus and Pandora have created the system that creates the Campiones, they are not the best of the bases.

Originally Posted by roronoa20

Let's go by what you've said. If the attraction force won't hurt you if you resist, then I'm sure as hell that Ren will try his absolute best to resist it. His magic resistant can do that.

It's in the authority description that [Wandering Avarice] is extremely slow. Ren has plenty of time to reflect it back. It won't crush him until he reaches the core.

Guinevere has weaker magical power than Godslayer, shouldn't she be crushed already? There's no mention that she raise her power to resist it.

He can go by her speed with his godspeed. [Boar] and [Faceless queen] are giant size avatar, summoned by authority, and have intelligence and will. For me they are pretty much the same



「To think that you will recover naturally from that state, it seems that godslayers like Rokuhara-san has life force that is off the chart. You will be able to enter a power struggle against cockroach even in earth after mankind is destroyed by nuclear war.」

(Right now, your mind and body are brimming with magical power that surpasses every magician on earth. It completely repels other person’s spell toward you.)

「I’ll explain. In the first place Ren came here using tourist visa you see. When he was accepted into the association Campiones, I made some arrangement to renew his visa into student visa. It’s to make it easier for him to stay here for a long period. But, Rokuhara Ren who is also a godslayer can learn language extremely quickly──」

He's definitely a godslayer. At this point, I think these are godslayer's universal characteristics. All of this came from 1st volume.



Then why Zeus and other gods keep saying that Ren's a godslayer? How could he usurp Nemesis and Nike authority? Athena told that Ren didn't trigger gods because Stella was in his body.

The movement is slow, but its attraction is that of a black hole and even if it resists its movement will be immobilized.

It's gravity, the force changes the distance, outside that it was in automatic mode, Alec only used as a distraction.

Ren can not activate his divine speed freely, against the slow Authority he would do nothing.

[Boar] is only a part of the Lord of Persian War, [Faceless Queen] is the whole Authority, as was shown the power of Ren depends on how much power the opponent uses. [Faceless Queen] by the rules has more than the [Boar].

He is a godslayer, but from another universe, created by another process, this does not guarantee that he has abilities that he has not demonstrated.

[roronoa20]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

The movement is slow, but its attraction is that of a black hole and even if it resists its movement will be immobilized.

It's gravity, the force changes the distance, outside that it was in automatic mode, Alec only used as a distraction.

Ren can not activate his divine speed freely, against the slow Authority he would do nothing.

[Boar] is only a part of the Lord of Persian War, [Faceless Queen] is the whole Authority, as was shown the power of Ren depends on how much power the opponent uses. [Faceless Queen] by the rules has more than the [Boar].

He is a godslayer, but from another universe, created by another process, this does not guarantee that he has abilities that he has not demonstrated.

Does he need to move while reflecting something? No, he doesn't. The attraction force will immobilize him, but Ren can just reflect it at that moment. Godspeed isn't necessary to deal with [Wandering Avarice].

Nemesis's threshold was attack potency. [Boar] clearly demonstrate equal force to [Faceless queen] from little we have of her in action.

As the [Boar] engaged the amorphous shadow in close quarter combat, its tusks could occasionally be seen piercing into the enemy.

At the same time, the queen's thrown spears also tore open the pitch- black hide. Out spewed otherworldly black blood, dying the seawater an inky color.

It'll be the same [Faceless queen] can be either reflected to Alec or dodged by Ren's godspeed.

Well, Ren still has magic resistance and magic power to resist Alec's authority.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

Is there any other Godslayer in SnC for you to claim to be simply Stella? Because the other known is just Voban, who is not of that world(not considering Luo Hao).

And Prometheus and Pandora have created the system that creates the Campiones, they are not the best of the bases.

So point out a difference between Voban and Ren other than their origin, and the fact that Ren has this symbiotic relationship with Stellla.

The body of a campione is filled with power in the presence of a god, so we can only conclude that Prometheus and Pandora are not gods, since Godou body did not react.

What about Lancelot? besides her memoirs there is no mention of her divinity having been removed and she becoming a human, because Godou did not react to her when she was a god right next to him?

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

The movement is slow, but its attraction is that of a black hole and even if it resists its movement will be immobilized.

It's gravity, the force changes the distance, outside that it was in automatic mode, Alec only used as a distraction.

Ren can not activate his divine speed freely, against the slow Authority he would do nothing.

[Boar] is only a part of the Lord of Persian War, [Faceless Queen] is the whole Authority, as was shown the power of Ren depends on how much power the opponent uses. [Faceless Queen] by the rules has more than the [Boar].

He is a godslayer, but from another universe, created by another process, this does not guarantee that he has abilities that he has not demonstrated.

So [Faceless Queen] has more power than Boar and lost it to him? Boar fought against much larger divine beasts and won because he had more magical power, fought hand-to-hand against Melqart, and lost when Melqart took advantage of a counterattack. [Faceless Queen] Can you do the same?

"Sword of the Beginning and the End" has the power of a black hole and destroyed an island, I did not see that same power with [Wandering Avarice], even when Godou left everything to Ame no Murakumo no Tsurugi, to focus on Rama , its power was greater than [Wandering Avarice], same conditions different powers.

Wow, I did not know that the volume that shows how Ren was made a godslayer had already been released, and it has been translated, please give me the link to read it too, because if you know it was created by a different method, and because you Did you read the right volume?

[Laksmana2]

Originally Posted by GodSoul

So point out a difference between Voban and Ren other than their origin, and the fact that Ren has this symbiotic relationship with Stellla.

The body of a campione is filled with power in the presence of a god, so we can only conclude that Prometheus and Pandora are not gods, since Godou body did not react.

What about Lancelot? besides her memoirs there is no mention of her divinity having been removed and she becoming a human, because Godou did not react to her when she was a god right next to him?



So [Faceless Queen] has more power than Boar and lost it to him? Boar fought against much larger divine beasts and won because he had more magical power, fought hand-to-hand against Melqart, and lost when Melqart took advantage of a counterattack. [Faceless Queen] Can you do the same?

"Sword of the Beginning and the End" has the power of a black hole and destroyed an island, I did not see that same power with [Wandering Avarice], even when Godou left everything to Ame no Murakumo no Tsurugi, to focus on Rama , its power was greater than [Wandering Avarice], same conditions different powers.

Wow, I did not know that the volume that shows how Ren was made a godslayer had already been released, and it has been translated, please give me the link to read it too, because if you know it was created by a different method, and because you Did you read the right volume?

You've read Campione! all? There is an item to create Godslayers in campione !, a system made by Pandora, Epimetheus and Prometheus, what was presented in SnC is different, they even mention devouring the body of a god.

You do not judge the power of a black hole just for that, because one was used to attack and the other as distraction (a black hole actually has a lot more power than just destroying an island).

And I'm not referring to [Faceless Queen's] combat ability, but only its magical power, remembering that Melqart wanted to play against [Boar], so much so that he only physically fought at first.


But I must say that it is impressive how underrated Alec and his Authorities, [Labyrinth] is an individual power that has 1 month of recharge, [Faceless Queen] is an individual power whose function focuses on only invoking a divine being, and finally [Wandering Avarice] is an individual power again whose function is to create a black hole, you treat as random powers that Ren could easily master, being told that individual authorities are much more powerful and Ren has difficulties with great powers, he almost died with a serious ray of Zeus, had difficulty reflecting large attacks and even admitted that some would be impossible for him.

[GodSoul]

Originally Posted by Laksmana2

You've read Campione! all? There is an item to create Godslayers in campione !, a system made by Pandora, Epimetheus and Prometheus, what was presented in SnC is different, they even mention devouring the body of a god.

You do not judge the power of a black hole just for that, because one was used to attack and the other as distraction (a black hole actually has a lot more power than just destroying an island).

And I'm not referring to [Faceless Queen's] combat ability, but only its magical power, remembering that Melqart wanted to play against [Boar], so much so that he only physically fought at first.


But I must say that it is impressive how underrated Alec and his Authorities, [Labyrinth] is an individual power that has 1 month of recharge, [Faceless Queen] is an individual power whose function focuses on only invoking a divine being, and finally [Wandering Avarice] is an individual power again whose function is to create a black hole, you treat as random powers that Ren could easily master, being told that individual authorities are much more powerful and Ren has difficulties with great powers, he almost died with a serious ray of Zeus, had difficulty reflecting large attacks and even admitted that some would be impossible for him.

I did not read that Voban devoured Fenrir's body, I did not read that Ren devoured Nike's body, and when Alex killed Minos, he talked about Alex devouring his flesh and blood and becoming more powerful, but I also did not read that Alex had to devour the body of Minos to obtain its power.

Well I find anyone would understand this, for a God, a Godslayer who steals the power of a god, "devours his flesh and blood", the primitive people believed that devouring the flesh of their enemies could gain their courage and strength, Siegfried in the legend gains a body almost invincible after bathing and drinking Fafnir's blood.

And like in christianity, Jesus said, as of my flesh and drink of my blood (John 6: 52-71), but I do not see the Christians killing people to represent the flesh and blood of Jesus.

For a God to have his power stolen by a human, and the same as to be devoured by a beast.(Having to explain it hurt my heart, this is something that everyone is expected to understand)

Love in the Murakumo no Tsurugi is also a sole authority, and potentially loses to Godou Boar and other authorities, and the 50-meter Boar was inferior in power to the 20 meters Godou's Boar.

[Red punishment] and an individual power that can destroy [Labyrinth], and was reflected to Voban.

In volume 20 it was mentioned that the corrective force of history was not always powerful to correct Aisha's damage, in volume 20, the campiones were banished to this alternative worlds created by temporal distortions.

There may be another Pandora deciding who should and should not receive an authority, or Pandora may be multi-dimensional, this still needs to be clarified.

I can not accept that someone say that the method of creation of Ren is different, when it was never shown how he became Godslayers.

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Originally Posted by Laksmana2

You've read Campione! all? There is an item to create Godslayers in campione !, a system made by Pandora, Epimetheus and Prometheus, what was presented in SnC is different, they even mention devouring the body of a god.

You do not judge the power of a black hole just for that, because one was used to attack and the other as distraction (a black hole actually has a lot more power than just destroying an island).

And I'm not referring to [Faceless Queen's] combat ability, but only its magical power, remembering that Melqart wanted to play against [Boar], so much so that he only physically fought at first.


But I must say that it is impressive how underrated Alec and his Authorities, [Labyrinth] is an individual power that has 1 month of recharge, [Faceless Queen] is an individual power whose function focuses on only invoking a divine being, and finally [Wandering Avarice] is an individual power again whose function is to create a black hole, you treat as random powers that Ren could easily master, being told that individual authorities are much more powerful and Ren has difficulties with great powers, he almost died with a serious ray of Zeus, had difficulty reflecting large attacks and even admitted that some would be impossible for him.

When a god is killed by a human, his divine power is absorbed by the human and gets stuck in his body, I think the gods understand this as having their flesh devoured or they are just speaking figuratively.

Retribution of Nemesis is also an individual power.

When Alex reflected Ripping Silver Arm, Doni's body was injured but he resisted using Man of Steel, Alex thought that Man of Steel was stronger than Ripping Silver Arm, but Doni corrected saying that he had reduced the power in Ripping Silver Arm by for feeling Danger, if he had used all power his body with Man of Steel would be sliced.

Ripping Silver Arm and Man of Steel, are sole authorities, but one would lose to the other, and Ripping Silver would have lost to Divine Might of Vajrapani Luo Hao, if she was not losing magic power because of the pill she used to escape Fairy's Corridor.

PS: when Athena uses petrification, his survival instinct and activated, Ren raises the magical power in her body to resist, this is another characteristic of the Godslayers in campione!

If he resisted petrification, because he could not resist [Wandering Avarice], and she did not need to suffer any harm to use Nemesis, Poseidon's trident never touched him, but just the fact that God tried to impale him was enough for him reflect your attack back