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Perfect 10 | 19 | 26.03% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 29 | 39.73% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 19 | 26.03% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 6 | 8.22% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2007-11-08, 17:23 | Link #102 |
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Seems like a smart move by Rika and Hanyuu. After all they can't afford to have things go worst case like Keiichi not showing up period. Nothing wrong with making sure that goes well. If it means luring in Keiichi's father, can't hurt.
Oryou did seem almost prophetic right there that's for sure. Guess even she lucked out with someone like Keiichi showing up. Someone who could step up and help change the village and break the problems in the village. Though of course not even she realized the dangerous times that were ahead.
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2007-11-08, 18:51 | Link #103 | |
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2007-11-08, 23:23 | Link #104 |
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The only good explaination for Hanyuu's "materialization" is that...well she had the power to do it, and just did it. Either that, or Ichiro was L5. (It's pretty much impossible for Ichiro to be in L5, then miracously recovered when he went away...)
From Hanyuu and Rika's conversation we know that Keiichi moving to the village isn't a set event, and thus they have been playing in the fields to attract Ichiro's attention, which proved to greatly improve the chances of Keiichi appearing. Thus we can assume (?) that in the worlds where Keiichi showed up, Hanyuu and Rika played in the fields, and this is not limited to only to Matsuribayashi-hen. Also, Rika has expressed that the worlds in which Keiichi doesn't appear are the ones that are the most boring, and if that view is also shared by our spectator god Hanyuu, then it makes sense for Hanyuu to help out. As to why Hanyuu doesn't stay "materialized"...is another mystery. Perhaps there's a time limit, or maybe she enjoyed floating around more.
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2007-11-09, 00:38 | Link #105 |
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Well I'm thinking that Hanyuu can materialize now, because she's gotten together her fighting spirit. Maybe looking at it in a mind over matter situation. She really believed that she was just an observer that couldn't do anything, but send Rika back over and over again. Her resolve to fight against Takano with the others may have been what it took to pull that off. Could also be that she is using the last of the energy to throw them back all this way and to materialize in order help.
Think the arrival of Keiichi is usually pretty set. But Rika has mentioned the odd time when he didn't show up. So in order to make sure that happened she and Hanyuu went where from previous experience she knew Ichiro would be. Knowing what she would have to say in order to make it a guarantee. It's not just that the world's without Keiichi are boring. It's that they are the worst case scenario. Far beyond Satoko's Uncle returning in terms of disaster rating. Because Keiichi is the key to miracles happening. Without him there is no hope of accomplishing anything. As we know a 'new wind' was required to change things. Keiichi can change things there as he did when he got Oryou to help Satoko. So getting Keiichi there is one of the most important things that must be done for success.
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2007-11-09, 01:16 | Link #106 | |
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2007-11-09, 02:14 | Link #107 | |
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If you are considering that this event ONLY happened in Matsuribayashi-hen, since the game text never stated if this was a one time only event or happened many times, then it's weird that Rika looped back to a time before the Maebara moved in, as we know that her loopback time gets closer to the festival everytime. So in the end, it's really a mystery why Ichiro was able to see Hanyuu. As to Keiichi not showing = worse case scenario...that's a bit extreme. It's true that he plays a crucial role, as demostarted in Minagoroshi-hen; he is also the much needed "new wind". However, think about all the times he didn't do much, as he only started to affect the 3 rules starting the end of Tsumihoroboshi-hen. Rika has also expressed her suprise that Keiichi was able to convince Rena in Tsumihoroboshi-hen, as she always thought that he was kinda useless (Minagoroshi-hen intro) If Keiichi didn't show up, Onikakushi-hen and Watanagashi/Meakashi would not occur. Things could just go quietly until Rule Y kicks in, or maybe Satoko/Rena would succumb to Rule X. Think Yakusamashi-hen but take away all the parts with Keiichi in it. Either way, Rika gets killed "as usual". The difference is of course, the club activities wouldn't be as fun, and many events like the dessert festival battle wouldn't occur.
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2007-11-09, 02:44 | Link #108 | |
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Check ´piece #33 and piece #41 in the putting the pieces together thread. In the case off #41, you may only want to read the first half. |
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2007-11-09, 05:57 | Link #109 | |
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Though now that it's drawing to a close and mysteries being solved one after another. It's a bit sad Higurashi is nearing the final episode. @Episode 18 They won't need to stop only Takano, that mystery woman might have a backup plan in case Takano fails her.
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2007-11-09, 07:07 | Link #110 |
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I think that's doubtful. Her faction has lost most of its power. The only person that was willing to ally with her from within the Irie Institution is Takano (and by extension the Yamainu). If Takano's plan is exposed, then the group that succeeded Koizumi's faction will have both the means and the desire to stop them.
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2007-11-09, 07:35 | Link #111 |
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In Hanyuu and Rika's talk in the end of this episode, they talk about "smashing takano's will"
So, we can assume that it's after Minagoroshi-hen world, since they already know who is the mastermind But at the time of that talk, Keiichi was just entering the school in Hinamizawa Did Hanyuu's loopback powers got recharged so that she could go back in time longer than in Minagoroshi? Or in Matsuribayashi-hen world, Keiichi moves to Hinamizawa around the time of the festival?
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2007-11-09, 08:33 | Link #112 |
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Hmm i'm a bit confused.
i understand that the last 3 episodes were based on the puzzle minigame (kakera musubi) in the original sound novel, but are ALL the "pieces" viewed in hanyuu's eyes or just some of them and the rest are just facts presented to us? if it is the former, i would have thought rika would be optimistic enough in her first few "tries" in the first few "worlds" to get hanyuu to find the culprit - unless hanyuu was already pessimistic even then. If rika and hanyuu had the opportunity to travel back to several yrs b4 1983, why didn't they try to change certain events (such as but not limited to averting satoshi's fate). Granted they did certain things such as raising the chances of maebara moving over. My guess is that they didn't want to screw up things for their battle in 1983 and the fact rika is just a kid physically but i just have a feeling that they could have done more. in some sense, it's as if she gave up saving her parents, satoko's parents, satoshi etc. Also, why did hanyuu still insist on apologising to rena and satoshi? didn't she learn enough from the previous worlds that her actions only worsen their deteriorating mental state? (or is this specific part just a pure flashback) |
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you also kinda answered your own question: Rika doesn't have the physical abilities nor the "age" sufficient to avert things. for the first case, it isn't possible to prevent the "murder" of the dam managed. For the second, she has no possibility to accompagn the houjou couple (especially considering they are outcast, so Rika would hardly be able to follow them). For the third instance, we don't even know how the yamainu/takano killed both her parents. And finally, for Satoshi... nope, not possible as he acted during the festival, and Rika was trapped. Rika has near to none range of action in the past, and can barely salvage/guarantee some factors to occur (Akasaka, Keiichi, etc). Quote:
However, don't forget that hanyuu "saved" Rena. As you could see, Rena cut her wrists and she was in fact commiting suicide (staying in a hot bath prevents the blood to coagulate, and the dizzy feeling from it will prevent the pain to kick in. It might even knock the person into sleep/drowsiness). If Hanyuu didn't freaked her out (on/without purpose), Rena might be dead by now. Hanyuu isn't trying to put everything worse, but since she is helpless, she cannot do much except apologizing in her corner.
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2007-11-09, 10:15 | Link #115 |
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One symptom of the Hinamizawa syndrome is in fact being sensitive to hanyuu actions, being able to hear her noises and voice (as demonstrated with Satoko who could hear her saying "i'm sorry").
This is the same for Keiichi in Onikakushi-hen, when he was clawing out his throat. (and obviously, Shion in the Ritual Tools Chamber, and other moments)
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2007-11-09, 10:38 | Link #117 |
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well... the problem is actually if... she didn't try it before.
And since people are paranoid, ANYTHING can turn them even more crazy, so "i'm sorry" or anything else make the matter worse :x
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2007-11-09, 17:11 | Link #118 | ||
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Really working on the belief that everything we've seen has been from this throw back. At least this is the only way I've been able to rationalize Rika coming this far back. Don't think it's looking to the previous times when Rika was still able to go far back. Quote:
Rika started to appreciate the importance of his showing up thus the comment that him not moving there was the worst situation. While there were worlds he didn't play a crucial role his presence meant there was a chance of him playing a role. Rika doesn't have a way out without him. I'll give Hanyuu some slack. Since she just wants to apologize for not being able to do anything at this point. Did a good job at saving Rena from suicide, since losing her would be a major loss for the group's efforts. Still 19 can't come quick enough. Finally time to start making some moves against Takano. Rika will have to play things smart. Series has been full of mysteries and questions, but now we're at the point where a battle for victory is going to be the major mission.
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