Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha Character Creation and Discussion

[Chaos2Frozen]

ONCE AGAIN, YOURS TRUELY HAS BROKEN THE BARRIER !


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Originally Posted by Keroko

So here comes the bick question: What's the drawback of the abillity?

Sigh, very well...

This side effects only happens if he drains too much... As in above AAA ranked level.

The Life energy he drains in would be coverted to magic energy with he uses for more powerful or better spells, this much is already stated. However, once that 'rush' period is over, things start to get ugly.

You know stories about ghost possessions, stuff like two souls in one body would never work? Well it's about the same effects. Sipher would have that outsider's energy within him rampaging around, screwing up his brain function and other stuff like forcing other memories and feelings (The worst is the feeling of guilt), literally a war within his own body.

The effects would go away after awhile, when all the exceed life energy gets burned out or removed. During this time, he hides out in his own little dimension in the book of Blood Dawn, to avoid having the other Destroyers know about his weakness, and to ride out the trauma.

This bad side effects is also the reason why he tries very hard to use up all that power in battle, but because nobody knows about the side effects, to them he is just very trigger-happy. Using up all of his power would remove the side effects, but it would also leave him weak and exhaust for a few days... But he figures it's a hell lot better deal.

[Kha]

There is something satistically significant when the same person procs more limit breaks than the rest of the thread's dominant shareholders... -_-

Originally Posted by Keroko

I have been bubbling on a propper antagonist myself. But somehow a huge end-boss keeps getting red error marks with me. I'd rather stick with the heresy, and keep thinking on a propper antagonist for a while. Bringing in Sargeras is just... No, let's not do that.

Got that. I thought he was an appropiate challenge for berserk!Sakura, but yeah that might've been too much...

Originally Posted by Keroko

Alistina is not the general of an army of superhumans, she is a genetical super human (read: S-rankish), and a general of normal humans/mages.

Ah I see... The only Space Marine-ish part left would be the Primarchs themselves... But wouldn't this give rise to the problem of the commanders far-outperforming their underlings? I mean, it'll turn into the StrikerS problem, where everyone is useless except the Aces. I'd figured Relic-powered sentokijin Primarchs leading sentokijin troopers for the elite "Saint Guard", and then we have the mortal but spammable Imperial Guard battalions who serve under a chapter of Saint Guard.

But with so many Relics in existence, (way more than 22) it might just be that the Relic upgrade was not just available to the Primarchs but to the Raumritters under them.

Hmm... Then again, the Cleric-knights are bluebloods and non-bluebloods with divine powers and Rare Skills, and had access to the best the Imperium had to offer... It might've been for them as well.

What do you think?

Originally Posted by Keroko

Yes you did.

Must've joined too many dots until I left something somewhere...

Originally Posted by Keroko

The heresy is not dead, in fact, as it stands it's going to be part of my scenario.

Now to think of an appropiate trigger...

But that Chaos ambush led by Dios must occur... However, since Kha defeated Dios, wouldn't that make Kha more powerful than Sakura at her peak of her power, which isn't the case?

Originally Posted by Keroko

Calm down.

[Alpha5]Aye-yai-yai-yai-yai-yai-yai![/Alpha5]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

Not enough time to perform Giga Backlog Breaker, though this discussion I want to get into first:

Well, the wild and spirited Blau Gotten was there ever since I wrote about her, and explicitly mentioned in her profile. However, unlike the Haruhi we know, she's much more kind-hearted, selfless, less-perverted , and more compassionate, the reasons why she gives hope to people through her gift of music in a tumoltous time of the last days of Holy Belka. She'd be what present Haruhi would be if more of her side in episode 12 was shown.

She has Haruhi's wild spirit, but she's not Haruhi Suzumiya.

She is herself.

Blau Gotten the Musician

Hissatsu!

Giga Lyrical Breaker!!!!

And while the tie to the Seiou was only in passing initially, the idea that Blau Gotten was an incarnation of the Seiou was a tempting offer, especially since I already used Haruhi's image with that passing thought in mind

If you really want to tie Blau Gotten to the Seiou though, then there is the matter of where Blau Gotten went after the last entry in Rhythm Edge, her eventual fate. We can just say that Blau Gotten finally realized her destiny, but to do that she needed to completely change, including her name. So she still be Blau Gotten, but under a completely different alias. And none of the people would be any wiser

Ah I see! My misconceptions have clouded things a little. No need now, I've more or less fixed things.

Sakura Zaki is born an Empress, but fearing that the Belka people will not accept a woman as their leader, her father raise her in secret, and disguised her as a boy.

Cue the rest of Saber's sob story, spliced with fabled acts of Greatness earning Sakura's "Seiou" nickname.

Then cue the life-changing meeting with Blau Glotten and Sakura... And Sakura wakes up and makes the last struggle to save her kingdom!

In summary, Sakura Zaki is not Arthura Pendragon; she is herself!

Sanckt Kaiser Sakura, the Saber!

Hissatsu!

Giga Caladblog Breaker!

>.< @ mental image of Saber with sunglasses pointing into the sky and the crest of Belka behind her.

I'll bang this out tomorrow after my test.

Originally Posted by Keroko

*frantically ruffles hair* Gah! Now I see why Nighty prefers to work with his own characters. *raises hand to the sky* But I won't give up that easilly!

Fortunately I was planning to merely mention the Blau Gotten at best. So I'm safe from many angles, bar Kha's reformation.

Just gimme one night to work it out.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by FieryAeon

But like Keroko mentioned, its not something to worry about. I say its high time we transform Carim from a mere once-a-year-prophecy-and-church-administrator (what is her exact position in the church anyway?) into a proper knight! (they do call her Knight Carim after all)

That's find and all, but what should we make her skills to be? Do we practically steal from every holy-class character in every RPG or MMORPG in existence ?

Because remember what Schach said, her job was to protect Acous and Carim, I'm thinking the same role as Signum and Vita.

Originally Posted by Liingo

Spell checker is your friend

Shhh! They're all in on it together...

Originally Posted by Liingo

Not that much sad to say....

Once again, why is it always me and Nightengale that aims for the characters that most people have less interest in?

And don't say 'fate'!

Originally Posted by Liingo

Anime to be picking up this season:
Definates
Clannad
Ef ~ A tale of memories
Shana 2
Highly likely
Bamboo Blade
Gundum 00
Kimikiss

Only a few more posts to 12k!!!!!

I can already tell which are going to be the popular ones...

Judging from the others that have posted their list as well...

[Reiji Tabibito]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Off-topic...


...But now that Summer's love is over, I'm curious as to what you guys are planning to watch this Fall

For me...

Spoiler for Guaranteed watch:

1. PRISM ARK!!!!
2. Clannad
3. Shakugan no Shana II

Spoiler for VERY interested:

1. Bamboo Blade
2. ef - a tale of memories
3. D.C.II ~Da Capo II~ (Even though I didn't watch the first two )

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4. Myself;Yourself
5. Dragonaut -The Resonance-
6. Mobile Suit Gundam 00

Spoiler for Slightly interested, but no promise...:

- Suteki Tantei Labyrinth
- Night Wizard The ANIMATION
- Goshuushousama Ninomiya-kun
- Taiho Shichauzo Full Throttle
- Rental Magica

Here's the list... http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007...-2007-preview/

See my NEW MATERIAL!!!

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Lets put it this way...




Now do you get it ?

Ooookay...

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

Well...
Let me get some facts straight...
Graham made Durandal. (Team of designers? Whut? When? >_<)
It's an extremely powerful device that is designed to use ice magic and also specifically designed to seal the Meister of the Book of Darkness (which was one of the most dangerous Lost Logias EVER) directly around the time it loses control.

Apalis IS an overall inferior model. [Unnecessary Rant](No. I am NOT letting Apalis be the superior device of the two. Do you think Aurion could simply hand out devices of Durandal's caliber just because someone of Arcas' rank requested it? Don't get full of your self and don't screw around with me. Nothing short of an extremely high rank in the military AND a legitimate reason of the need utilization shall warrant a request of such a high-caliber device.)[/Unnecessary Rant] Though I'm sure you understand. I just lengthened my post.

Though I don't know if this would help in curing his little complex.
Hey, at least he HAS cartridges.

*Runs from Blazing Arrow Ray-Storm/Buring Over-Storm Breaker*

[V]My turn.[/V]

Where exactly does it say that Graham made Durandal? There's no indication anywhere in the A's series...all that's confirmed there was that he had it, and was going to use it against the YnS... show me the evidence.

And Apalis may not be the superior Device, but he's an Intelligent Device, and Durandal's a Storage - and in his mind, Intelligent>Storage ALWAYS.

It's not a huge thing...just don't mention Durandal around him - the thing he's pissed about is that everyone talks about Durandal, while no one talks about him...

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

Yeah, go ahead and say what you want. I'm not freaked out but I still like how it was suggestively done. I just sometimes happen to like things that sound so wrong but is perfectly worksafe. The beauty of false innuendo is such an interesting device to get people reeling that it somehow even surpasses the real things sometimes.

And before you start with another 'Pshht. You're just a-<insert description>', That's a mentality I learned in order to make things more interesting for my works in the OC thread. Too goody-goody is a character type that I try to avoid for my characters (maybe except Liana and Vinson).

I guess I got to learn that mentality from some of my sempai's here in Animesuki forums. (Chaos, Nighty, Lowe, Kha and some more)

Re: Disclaimer: I read it. But that does not stop me from exclaming outrage from such acts!

Frankly, I'm not sure how to respond to this: sarcasm, or actual, honest truth.

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!

WHAT?! You want me to make a Kanata character (i.e. an already deceased colleague of Aurion who happens to look like Hayate)?!?! Totally cliche and NOT the type of Father-Daughter relationship I'm gunning for!!! (Though I could use Daishi Prime's route for Takashi and how he sees Hayate in Academy Blues... But I'd rather not rip off any more similar ideas from him.)

Mou, relax! It's a joke! I read the snippet and instantly heard Konata's "Otou-san" in my head...

Originally Posted by FieryAeon

No to harem! I'd like to see Hayate experience romance for once.

QFT ~desu!!!

Originally Posted by Erio

Behind door No. 1: Chrono "Migratory-Bird" Haralown
Behind door No. 2: Acous "She's-Mah-Sistar" Verossa

Fate/Nanoha/Keroko KO Chrono w/Triple Onii-chan Breaker EX.

Arcas KO's Acous w/Blazing Arrow Ray Storm.

Originally Posted by Kha

Quoted for OMFG idea!

(runs)

HA!

Originally Posted by Liingo

:eyes pin:
It reminds me a lot of a fanfic I read a while ago on FF.net...

So it's pheromone spray ey? Although much more potent....

Nice work on it... although not my cup of tea

Thanks!!!

[Nightengale]

SS03 IS OUT! DOWNLOADING!

ION CANON. ION CANON. ION CANON...

Originally Posted by Keroko

As do I. Though I have yet to start a rough draft. I have the heroes (Alistina and Saint King Sakura will feature, as will a mature Vivio) but I have yet to create a propper antagonist for the fall.

I want to get the basics of the Primarchs done first before I head into this. I'm planning to re-write it a tad (the connection between the Blau Gotten is a bit too vague and abstract to use) but it should be done pretty soon.

Heh, so you're going the more Saint-centric part. Good since for me, I'm going for the similar Knights of the Saint route in Saga der Saga, which takes a more commoner's outlook on the whole Sei-oh thing.

It can't really start properly without setting in the gameplan for the larger-than-life heroes first, so it's Kha and your cue first.

Btw, have you seen my Isdera/Zest piece?

Originally Posted by Kha

- Sakura isn't known to the Primarchs as Sanckt Kaiser, only Seiou herself. To them, and everyone else, she is Canoness of the Adeptae Belkarum.

- Despite that, Sakura IS very close to the Primarchs, especially the Eves. She also is friends with Warmaster Yuki, the Mistress of Time, Astronomicator Itsuki and of course General Sugita. (Titles as they appear in proposed fanon)

- The General is often greeted by some of the Eves and Odd Numbers as Pater, "Father" in English, as it is a title carrying much respect. Some scholars have not ruled out a secondary and more blasphemious reading into the significance of such an address, especially with the existence of the Odds...

- Only Sakura and Seiou's merry band of musicians know that the Seiou and the Blau Glotten are the same person.

- The early lay Belka think that Blau Glotten is one of the Sanckt Kaiser's "Angels", even when there's no such unit or personnel. Scholars speculate that this may have arisen from some of the Eves naming their chapters after Angels that appear in the Script.

Hmm... interesting...

*notes*

Originally Posted by Kha

What got me started on the two "Seious" idea was that Keroko was a Primarch clone that looked nothing like Sakura...

Wait a minute. Vivio was cloned from Sakura... And Keroko looks like Vivio. Damn I just contradicted myself on the original statement.

Now it looks like Blau Glotten needn't have come into the picture at all... Or maybe as a wild spirited individual for inspired the Empress to "choose what a free man would do."?

Actually, two unexpected reversals tore my theory apart. The previous block is the first problem that I just found out.

Secondly, I thought Blau Glotten was the previous form of Haruhi, an individual concious of her power and yet was willing and able to carry the responsibilities of such power... She was mature and demure, COMPLETELY unlike Haruhi. It was the Blau Glotten's future passing that provided the catalyst for wild Haruhi we all know to be born.

And so, Lowe's announcement that Blau was exactly like Haruhi toppled the first pillar. To save the theory, I made it so that General Sugita and Sakura even though they were in the background, they ran most of show while Seiou had her merry way. But I also intended for Seiou to have her sane moments where she'd shine, patching rather patchily a theory with a leak.

OK looks like a review is due. But this time I'll retcon all the FOR GOD EMPRESS H***** warcries, even that brief omake short of Kha's response to Kay's presentation about Blau Glotten. But since they are all outside of "written fanon", I suppose they can dropped rather easily.

Wow I can feel the PASSION in this defence. Now if that head in a jar was part of your plans in Spiral Nights...

I'm just rying to tie another character to canon, that's all. And at the moment, it looks like its about to be changed again, but this will be the most drastic to Sakura ever since Nighty suggested that she was Seiou, not H*****.

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Several valid points have been raised, and I agree some parts have to be polished and the rest overhauled. Now the only problem is how to bring down the Belka empire logically...

OR

No heresy, just a straight out Heroic Mount Hyjal against Sageras. That alone should be destructive enough to crumple the Imperium do you think? But wouldn't that was TOO destructive, since we have Midchilda without anything (other than city ruins) that resembles Plaguelands? Unless do we went the City Ruins to be the Plagueland equivalent?


Hmm... Needs to brew more cheese...


But looks like things are going to be changed completely... OK if we assume that Alistina was created from Sakura to be a a General in an army of superhumans, and that Sakura was the Seiou from the start (exalted and all that), is that enough for Keroko-kun to work on for now? But how do reconcile the bit that the Seiou came from Alhazred aboard the Cradle, or did I just make that up?

WAIT ANOTHER MINUTE! If there's no Heresy, how is Alistair gonna die?!

Help I'm so lost! Why can't there be subs, and less exams and tests?! AND EVEN LESS Kara raids?!?!?!

Also, can someone link me the translation regarding Saint Church? I need to check if Seiou's passing was mentioned, as well as check other points that I might've missed.



(sparks fly as frantic modifications are being made to the Ion Fanon)

Wait, wait, wait... we're not dragging Keroko-chan into this, right?

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

@Nightengale: Yet another EPIC piece *thumbs up*

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

You and Keroko's OC are the only ones who seem to interest Chaos.

Let's give him time to scour over the MOUNTAIN of Cheese...

There's clearly more than 2 or 3 profiles and bluecheese not climbed by Chaos.

Originally Posted by Aaron008R

This reminds me of the barrier of colliding blades that even held of the rain in the first scenario of DMC 3!

This is INCREDIBLY EPIC!!!! Way better than what they show us in the anime! Damn, I feel like I've done Signum a great injustice for not going with better details in the fight scenario I did a while ago. Ah, well... I guess I still have much to learn.

Though Zest going Full Drive again is . And Isdera seems to be doing better as he is right now compared to how he was when he was still alive. That Orochi attack reminded me of somebody (Ryu was it?) from Shaman King.
Mikami-ryuu... Even a style name! Nice!

Well, let's not forget this is only one day after his Vita-fight and only around 5 or so hours after his COUGH COUGH COUGH in 18. He's fighting with his condition at 60%~80% of his full abilities.

So, we'll see how Zest will turn the tide with Full Drive. This is also my own version of explanation why Zest didn't use F.D against Signum at all and why he no longer can use flames after one week, since he's already chipped away his last F.D usage against Isdera and was doubly weakened.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

It's just one scene and one bowl of it, no danger at all

Now, if you'd let her loose in Midoriya (I think that's how it's written )

Ahhh... Good good, it would go as planned then...

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Oh, no...

I won't go that far... Just yet

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

"A-are?"

"Otou-san! Please give your daughter to me!"
[/Nagasumi]

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

No, it's too dangerous to be used, Yui would be completely helpess against it.
I'll give a hint to waht it is with an example, though:

An advice...

... Don't EVER let me find out

[Erio]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Oh, don't worry, if this Sakura Seiou thing continues (I say if because I'm pretty sure it will become subject of critisismn now) I won't write her as a god character. She will be very mortal.

I have to write stuff with her as well, and she will be indeed mortal. I will be using Saber as a template.

Originally Posted by Kha

Wow I can feel the PASSION in this defence. Now if that head in a jar was part of your plans in Spiral Nights...

Well... Matsuri or her uncle could have found the jar after Spiral Nights... Those Matsuri events take place after Spiral Nights.

I'm just rying to tie another character to canon, that's all. And at the moment, it looks like its about to be changed again, but this will be the most drastic to Sakura ever since Nighty suggested that she was Seiou, not H*****.

That's not tying another character to canon... You are MAKING her CANON!

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Several valid points have been raised, and I agree some parts have to be polished and the rest overhauled. Now the only problem is how to bring down the Belka empire logically...

OR

No heresy, just a straight out Heroic Mount Hyjal against Sageras. That alone should be destructive enough to crumple the Imperium do you think? But wouldn't that was TOO destructive, since we have Midchilda without anything (other than city ruins) that resembles Plaguelands? Unless do we went the City Ruins to be the Plagueland equivalent?


Hmm... Needs to brew more cheese...


But looks like things are going to be changed completely... OK if we assume that Alistina was created from Sakura to be a a General in an army of superhumans, and that Sakura was the Seiou from the start (exalted and all that), is that enough for Keroko-kun to work on for now? But how do reconcile the bit that the Seiou came from Alhazred aboard the Cradle, or did I just make that up?

WAIT ANOTHER MINUTE! If there's no Heresy, how is Alistair gonna die?!

Help I'm so lost! Why can't there be subs, and less exams and tests?! AND EVEN LESS Kara raids?!?!?!

Also, can someone link me the translation regarding Saint Church? I need to check if Seiou's passing was mentioned, as well as check other points that I might've missed.



(sparks fly as frantic modifications are being made to the Ion Fanon)

I have no clue what's going on here, but if there is no Heresy, what are we going to do with Spiral Nights?

Originally Posted by Kha

But that Chaos ambush led by Dios must occur... However, since Kha defeated Dios, wouldn't that make Kha more powerful than Sakura at her peak of her power, which isn't the case?

Well, if you bring in AlternateS' stuff into our timeline, Kha is the most powerful being in the TSAB, period. Also, the Kor-Fusion could have pwned Scaglietti, the Cradle, the Seiou, and whatever else in StrikerS with Fate's hands tied behind her back.

If those ideas are part of our timeline, nothing really computes.

[Dream_Traveller]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

In Tk's word, restrictions to justify h4xx that isn't restrictions at all.

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UPDATE TIME! Zest vs Isdera Part I.

Spoiler for Side Isdera AFTER Part I-2 : Two Old Knights:

~Side Isdera AFTER I Verse 4 : Futari no Furui Kishi~

Agito’s body levitating moved, in the direction where Zest suddenly ran off to earlier, just as she and him both sensed Lutecia’s presence, and Garyuu’s... She was in trouble. Biting her nails, Agito flew as fast as she could, despite being not as rough and fast as Zest’s extreme burst of speed...

She was extremely worried. If it was any other time, worrying about Danna wouldn’t be so troublesome, but it was only a day ever since his fight with that red knight, Vita. Even though he’s recovered slightly after some sleep and her medicine, he was only at 80%... at best.

As she saw Lutecia tending to Garyuu, she fastened her pace, just as the winds around her roughened, as she looked at the direction Lutecia was staring her worrying eyes into...

Trees being torn apart, a small crater within the center of the bewildering forest of greens in the night, as a small tornado formed itself in the center of that crater, within that small gust of dissipating golden tornado of raw magic by Zest and genuine formed gale of gust by Isdera’s magic...

Even with the deafening sounds of winds playing the the leaves shooting upwards with the spiraling night gale, a sound dwarves that, as Agito saw Zest’s spear and the other knight’s sword smashing against one another...

Isdera felt a pressuring power pushing his sword downwards from the larger, more overwhelming knight in front of him, as holding the sheathe of his sword, he drew it from his side as he slammed the spear sideways...

Stepping his left leg forward, Isdera took that moment, as he held his sword strongly as he leaped forwards, like a fierce tiger towards his prey with an overhead slash...

“Danna!”

Agito’s worrying voice reached, but there was no response... there was no need to, as holding his spear sideways, that slash was parried by the center of the spear’s rod as Zest held on... Isdera’s blade and weight pressed down on him, a gust of wind in both directions fleeting Isdera and Zest... as his legs sunk deeper into the ground, as his grip weakened, feeling his body’s weakened response... His body’s strength was weakening with each second, and in comparison to the young knight in front of him...

All he could do is rely on his experience as a Striker.

As he felt his spear slowly being overwhelmed by the pressure, he quickly let go of his gauntlet arm to hit the sword sideways, as Isdera’s strength was pushed back by the sideway attack from his fist, as the both of them leaped back for their distance...

They looked at each one’s eyes... neither moved for a moment, knowing that it was a decisive moment...

As the tornado continued blowing, creating a ring with them as the center, an unsuspecting leaf flew into the circle from the walls of the typhoon...

It was less than a second. The leaf blocked their eye-contact, but they felt the glint of each other’s eyes behind that wall of green, as the sounds of their weapons was enough proof.

[Explosion.]

A simultaneous sound of loading cartridges, the sound of steam being released in the air, and the clink of metal falling to the ground...

That was the signal.

Rushing forward, each step’s a sound to a closer resonance, a battle’s sonata playing as it started with a thrust, the edges of their blades hitting each other, the sharp peak slamming into one another, the screeching sound of metal grinding one another in molecular levels enhanced, as they put all their strength into it...

Like an repulse of energy, the blades was simultaneously pushed back together, an equal test of power. They slammed their blades again, and soon, that test of strength became a dance of blades.

It was a unorthodox dance of swords. Heavy bladed weapons of Belka, one a double handed sword and another, a heavy polearm spear... were hitting each other with high speed thrust, the masters of those weapons making those weapons look like a parry of rapiers hitting one another at an inhuman speed.

Twirling gust of wind. The old, and the ancient, spear and sword at hand, the knight's bullet fires rapidly.

Each strike closes in to break, with no thought of stopping, each blow fast and precise. Exchange of thrust so fast afterimages felt blurred. The attacks continued for both, raging. That rage is only a repitition, each strike sharp, lacking in power, but not of precision and speed.

Agito's eyes felt tired... 30 times? 50? 100? She couldn't tell... No, I doubt anyone could. It was like trying to count rains with human eyes, as the heavy rains of sword and spear pours, like a waterfall. No... like a vacuum of blades of steel. Like a thrust of light, flying lights of weapons.

"Swish. Clang. Kling. Klang. Clang!"

Steels clanging against one another, clashes like an orchestra, sparks expanding, but without any sense of heat as their battle, was vacuum-like. Amidst an tornado of magic, their exchange only served to increase that rotation, as their battle sucked in the air of surroundings.

It was like a wall telling "come in, and die in pieces."

Over a hundred blows, over and over... yet each time was the same as the last. There was no victor, no loser... just lights of an equal battle, like fireworks...It was...mesmerizing.

Agito and Lutecia could only watch, as the shadows of the 2 knights were enveloped inside that whirlwind of power, a representative of their overwhelming pressure... Agito felt a shiver as she felt a striking sense of nostalgia...

“Where...had I...seen this...before?”

Slowly, she felt the pressure of their surroundings lessened, as the air shrouding them became less and less concentrated, as the gust of wind became centralized on the dual knights.

Everything was coming about. The end of the dance of the blades as the winds of magic played its tune of climax...

A last strike of blades. That was the end just the winds holding their invisible ring was at its limits...

Their bodies unmoved, Isdera’s sword shifted to his left, Zest’s spear to the right, their muscles tensed, as they ended their charade of lancing exchange, as every power drew into this strike... their grips tightened as their eyes focused.

And once again, a sound of loading cartridges.

Which swing of the blade was first, what happened, how it started, Lutecia and Agito didn’t know. All they could see was their cage of gale breaking apart and a flash of light blinding, as they were shot by gust of winds slamming their skin, but holding their position... they waited...as the winds cleared...

Both were standing, but their breathing ragged, clearly exhausted as Isdera stood with his blade held to the ground just as Zest too... held his spear as its weight on the ground supported the old knight. The end of the dance was a draw again...

“COUGH! COUGH!! COUGH!!!”

Red. A puddle of red as one knee dropped to the ground, the other still afoot...

Zest was coughing blood once again, as his body took its toll.

“Danna!”

Agito’s cries of anxiety, worry... as the two knights started at one another... Isdera’s sword was unmoved, but Zest’s eyes did not lose its determination, as Isdera felt a burning passion that did not dwindle within that knight.

Agito, enraged, shot a barrage of fireballs off to Isdera.

“I won’t allow you to harm Danna further!!!”

Lutecia followed suit.

“Inzects.”

Once again, the attacks were futile, as the blades slashed the Inzects and the fireballs apart, dissipating their flames...

“I’ve once faced a knight with a flame akin to yours, Ancient Unison Device... but one more powerful and vivid. Your fire is strong as well, but it is not one which is meant to destroy, but one to support a stronger flame. A flame of a Lord.”

Agito was angered, taking his advice as mockery but she ignored that, as taking advantage of his unresponsive situation, went to tend to Zest, who was already standing up, holding his spear once again, ready to continue his battle.

“Danna, let me help-“

“No, Agito... stand back with Lutecia. I’m sorry, but you won’t be much of a help against him...”

“If that’s the case, then Unison should-“

“That is not good as well... With my body’s current condition, I won’t be able to use your flames effectively. Besides, if we unison now...the next time, I probably cannot...”

“Danna...”

Agito’s concern... to be concerned..that was the only thing she could do.

“Come, Ancient Belkan Knight.” Once again, the knights readied their blades, their battle far from over. Isdera sheathed his sword once again, as he accepted Zest’s nod of the battle, his legs pressing their weights on the ground, ready to draw and attack...

“Belka-Mikami-Ryuu.”

His grip reaffirmed his place on his blade, a single cartridge shooting into the air.

“Yamato! Orochi! ISSEN!”

His blade drawn, a gust of wind shot out from his sheathe of the sword, as small spirals of tornadoes shot itself out in gales of eight, from all fronts, as the eight lashed out towards Zest, like a snake of 8 striking to their prey.

Was it the end of the battle?

~Zest~

Strange... before my eyes, I can see shadows of snakes, trying to destroy me, consume me... The winds hitting my body, I feel the pain rushing through the veins... I suppose it's proof that I am still alive.

I am not afraid of death. I have many regrets in my life, many things I couldn't protect, but in the end, I am but a dead man living on borrowed time, a life that is holding on to the small flame of a dying candle.

However, even for someone like me, I still something I must do. I still have people I must protect their future!

Lutecia... Alphino's daughter.

Alphino. You'll probably hate me... Not only was I a failure as your captain, leading to your death, making your daughter alone... My stupidity dragged your innocent daughter into this mess... There is nothing I can say or do to atone for my past, but all I can do now... is to protect her. Until she can smile, until there are wings that are willing to shelter her loneliness... I must continue this struggle.

Agito...

Countless times I had asked myself... Was it a mistake? Was I wrong to listen to Lutecia's request to take her along? If only she was left there... could she had been picked up by the TSAB? Having a good knight as a Lord, living peacefully and happily, not this ragged life we're struggling through? Or would she be just another victim elsewhere? I don't know... it's impossible to tell.

However, to have many regrets does not mean to live my life pursuing those regrets to my end.

That is why I cannot die. Not yet! Not until I've finished what I should, and end my life not as Failed Relic Weapon Zest... but as Zest Gruntgieze.

WATASHI JISHIN NO SEIGI NO TSURUGI NARI!

Dakara...

[Glänzend Freilassung.] [Full Drive Start.]

"DANNA!!!!!"

This will probably be my last Full Drive.

"Ikuzo...tomo."

[Verstanden.][Understood.]

Part III will be the end of the befriending fight, and Part IV will be... it's resolution so to speak.

This, good sir, is the epitome of sheer EPIC, only rivaled by Saga der Saga!



Looks like Zest is backed into a wall, figuratively speaking- resorting to his trump card, hm...I have a rather clear idea of what the outcome of this will be...

A very, very good piece- looking forward to further segments.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

ONCE AGAIN, YOURS TRUELY HAS BROKEN THE BARRIER !


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Sigh, very well...

This side effects only happens if he drains too much... As in above AAA ranked level.

The Life energy he drains in would be coverted to magic energy with he uses for more powerful or better spells, this much is already stated. However, once that 'rush' period is over, things start to get ugly.

You know stories about ghost possessions, stuff like two souls in one body would never work? Well it's about the same effects. Sipher would have that outsider's energy within him rampaging around, screwing up his brain function and other stuff like forcing other memories and feelings (The worst is the feeling of guilt), literally a war within his own body.

The effects would go away after awhile, when all the exceed life energy gets burned out or removed. During this time, he hides out in his own little dimension in the book of Blood Dawn, to avoid having the other Destroyers know about his weakness, and to ride out the trauma.

This bad side effects is also the reason why he tries very hard to use up all that power in battle, but because nobody knows about the side effects, to them he is just very trigger-happy. Using up all of his power would remove the side effects, but it would also leave him weak and exhaust for a few days... But he figures it's a hell lot better deal.

Indeed, we have broken another barrier! Now...

Onwards to 20,000, and BEYOND that!



And...the overflow of energy Sipher processes has side-effects, from what I've read? I'm being quick, but that's what I've seen...do correct me, though.

New material on my side- none at present. But, there's no time limit in which to make more, eh?

Then again, I'll try to get a piece, ShardS related, most likely, up soon- I still have to do quite a few epilogues, too. But, all in good time.

[Jimmy C]

Let me see if I got this right.
I get the impression that a number of you who are creating material related to Ancient Belka history appear to operating under the assumption that the Saint King that founded the Belka Imperium and The Saint who was Vivio's original are one and the same. Is this correct?
This is almost certainly not the case. If it was, Quarttro would not have mentioned the "Royal Family" in ep23. She would have said "Armor of the Saint" was The Saint's IS directly.
She is almost certainly implying that there was more than one Ancient Belka Saint King and they ALL had the "Armor of the Saint" IS.
And if you had a whole line of Saint Kings, you can have millenia of Ancient Belka history between its founding and the days of The Saint and its demise about 300 years ago.
What do you think?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

SS03 IS OUT! DOWNLOADING!

ION CANON. ION CANON. ION CANON...

Tell me all about it

It'll save me the memory space

Oh yeah...

REMEMBER PEOPLE, DROP EVERYTHING AND SKIP TO TRACK 15 ! ONCE AGAIN, IT'S TRACK 15 !! DIECI + CINQUE!!

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!! FOR THE KING!!!

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Let's give him time to scour over the MOUNTAIN of Cheese...

There's clearly more than 2 or 3 profiles and bluecheese not climbed by Chaos.

I don't think...

[Kha]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

SS03 IS OUT! DOWNLOADING!

ION CANON. ION CANON. ION CANON...

Joins the chanting.

Seiou! Seiou! Seiou!

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Heh, so you're going the more Saint-centric part. Good since for me, I'm going for the similar Knights of the Saint route in Saga der Saga, which takes a more commoner's outlook on the whole Sei-oh thing.

It can't really start properly without setting in the gameplan for the larger-than-life heroes first, so it's Kha and your cue first.

Btw, have you seen my Isdera/Zest piece?

Oh snap I missed that too! Gimme a sec!

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Hmm... interesting...

*notes*

Wait on a sec, some parts have been changed. The new proposal will be out tmr... I hope.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Wait, wait, wait... we're not dragging Keroko-chan into this, right?

Course not. Keroko-kun changed that already. I was just explaining how did mine come along and developed alongside his.

Originally Posted by Erio

I have to write stuff with her as well, and she will be indeed mortal. I will be using the Saber as a template.

That's accurate enough. But not too mortal, for Seiou even in life clearly isn't. To me, it's like saying Jesus was mortal, which I really hope he wasn't. Not a demi-god, but definitely not just another ningen.

Originally Posted by Erio

Well... Matsuri or her uncle could have found the jar after Spiral Nights... Those Matsuri events take place after Spiral Nights.

Wait... So Genome gets CANNED in Spiral Nights?!

Originally Posted by Erio

That's not tying another character to canon... You are MAKING her CANON!

Oh well er... Since canon decided to make her canon, what am I to resist?

Originally Posted by Erio

I have no clue what's going on here, but if there is no Heresy, what are we going to do with Spiral Nights?

Well there still is the Heresy, but events just after the Heresy and leading to the fall of Belka has been changed.

Originally Posted by Erio

Well, if you bring in AlternateS' stuff into our timeline, Kha is the most powerful being in the TSAB, period. Also, the Kor-Fusion could have pwned Scaglietti, the Cradle, the Seiou, and whatever else in StrikerS with Fate's hands tied behind her back.

If those ideas are part of our timeline, nothing really computes.

Sonicform was enough to pwn the Numbers outright, but she didn't use it, because it drains her very quickly and not being able to reach her objective was a problem.

However, since her objective appeared to her, Fate threw her cards on the table.

For Kor-Fuzion, it is a formidable spell, but back then it KO'd the both of them for a week after going ZENRYU ZENKAI on the Chaos army.

While now they can stay fused longer and suffer less side effects, post fusion expect Kha to be carrying spent!Fate, and looking absolutely wasted while at it.

Something like how a couple would be after an "all-nighter".

(runs really really really fast)

@Jimmy C: Yeap, that was reflected in the latest patch I'm releasing for the Fanon edits. Sakura did not found the AB Imperium, but merely was the Empire's last and most memorable Kaiser.

I feel like pulling a fading!Nia for Sakura and Syaoran and make their ending happier... BUT THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN THE CHURCH PARCHMENT!

[Keroko]

And we've broken the 12k barrier! HA! CATCH UP WITH US NOW, IMAGE THREAD!

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Sigh, very well...

This side effects only happens if he drains too much... As in above AAA ranked level.

The Life energy he drains in would be coverted to magic energy with he uses for more powerful or better spells, this much is already stated. However, once that 'rush' period is over, things start to get ugly.

You know stories about ghost possessions, stuff like two souls in one body would never work? Well it's about the same effects. Sipher would have that outsider's energy within him rampaging around, screwing up his brain function and other stuff like forcing other memories and feelings (The worst is the feeling of guilt), literally a war within his own body.

The effects would go away after awhile, when all the exceed life energy gets burned out or removed. During this time, he hides out in his own little dimension in the book of Blood Dawn, to avoid having the other Destroyers know about his weakness, and to ride out the trauma.

This bad side effects is also the reason why he tries very hard to use up all that power in battle, but because nobody knows about the side effects, to them he is just very trigger-happy. Using up all of his power would remove the side effects, but it would also leave him weak and exhaust for a few days... But he figures it's a hell lot better deal.

So the damage would be mental rather then physical... is there also a chance of permanent damage? As in, simply too much for the mind to proccess?

Originally Posted by Kha

Got that. I thought he was an appropiate challenge for berserk!Sakura, but yeah that might've been too much...

Big huge uberboss was not what made Nighty's Saga so epic.

Originally Posted by Kha

Ah I see... The only Space Marine-ish part left would be the Primarchs themselves... But wouldn't this give rise to the problem of the commanders far-outperforming their underlings? I mean, it'll turn into the StrikerS problem, where everyone is useless except the Aces. I'd figured Relic-powered sentokijin Primarchs leading sentokijin troopers for the elite "Saint Guard", and then we have the mortal but spammable Imperial Guard battalions who serve under a chapter of Saint Guard.

Well, they're supposed to outperform their underlings. Primarchs don't pull a Hayate and sit in their comfy chair leading the battle, they lead up front. Who do you think is going to be targeted? Low ranked Johny whatshisname or the general dealing out orders? At least if said general is dealing out tons of ouch not everyone will be inclined to attack him/her.

Originally Posted by Kha

But with so many Relics in existence, (way more than 22) it might just be that the Relic upgrade was not just available to the Primarchs but to the Raumritters under them.

Hmm... Then again, the Cleric-knights are bluebloods and non-bluebloods with divine powers and Rare Skills, and had access to the best the Imperium had to offer... It might've been for them as well.

What do you think?

Hmm, well this could be incorporated. I mean, bar Vivio we haven't seen a single case where Relics gave someone super powers. If we asume that they are simply amplifiers, then while someone will get a boost, a lower ranked mage will generally get a lot less benefits then a higher ranked one.

I would say Cleric Knights. Relics may be more abundant then aparant in StrikerS, but I refuse to believe there are enough of them to boost entire armies. I'd say a select few chosen knights got that honorary treatment.

Originally Posted by Kha

Must've joined too many dots until I left something somewhere...

Yes, the entire Sakura connection thing made even me

Originally Posted by Kha

Now to think of an appropiate trigger...

But that Chaos ambush led by Dios must occur... However, since Kha defeated Dios, wouldn't that make Kha more powerful than Sakura at her peak of her power, which isn't the case?

Dios, you say? *looks up Dios* Hmm, not much has been done with him, has it? When did Kha battle him, I think I can use him as one of the antagonists.

Originally Posted by Kha

Ah I see! My misconceptions have clouded things a little. No need now, I've more or less fixed things.

Sakura Zaki is born an Empress, but fearing that the Belka people will not accept a woman as their leader, her father raise her in secret, and disguised her as a boy.

Cue the rest of Saber's sob story, spliced with fabled acts of Greatness earning Sakura's "Seiou" nickname.

Then cue the life-changing meeting with Blau Glotten and Sakura... And Sakura wakes up and makes the last struggle to save her kingdom!

In summary, Sakura Zaki is not Arthura Pendragon; she is herself!

Hissatsu!

Giga Caladblog Breaker!

>.<

I'll bang this out tomorrow after my test.
Just gimme one night to work it out.

Sure, I'll be twisting and hammering down the Primarchs then.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

That's find and all, but what should we make her skills to be? Do we practically steal from every holy-class character in every RPG or MMORPG in existence ?

Because remember what Schach said, her job was to protect Acous and Carim, I'm thinking the same role as Signum and Vita.

Support magic combined with a small amount of offensive ones. A friont line healer, so to say.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Once again, why is it always me and Nightengale that aims for the characters that most people have less interest in?

And don't say 'fate'!

Destiny then?

Originally Posted by Nightengale

SS03 IS OUT! DOWNLOADING!

ION CANON. ION CANON. ION CANON...

Oh how I'd love to be able to understand Japanese at the moment.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Heh, so you're going the more Saint-centric part. Good since for me, I'm going for the similar Knights of the Saint route in Saga der Saga, which takes a more commoner's outlook on the whole Sei-oh thing.

It can't really start properly without setting in the gameplan for the larger-than-life heroes first, so it's Kha and your cue first.

Cool, fewer conflicting ideas that way. Do you have some form of antagonist planned already?

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Btw, have you seen my Isdera/Zest piece?

Oh yeah, almost forgot about that in the rush of bluecheese. Ancient Belkan knight against modern one, and as always there is drama galore. Really, my aim is to make Legend of Ancient Belka as good as this, and you can count on it that pieces like these will serve as an inspiration for the battle scenes.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

Wait, wait, wait... we're not dragging Keroko-chan into this, right?

No.

...

No really, no. The only existing connection between Alistina and Keroko is blue eyes, red hair, and the fact that clone-Vivio will say that Keroko 'reminds her of someone she knew'.

And that's all present day Mid-Childa stuff, so it won't apear in the Legends of Ancient Belka.

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Let me see if I got this right.
I get the impression that a number of you who are creating material related to Ancient Belka history appear to operating under the assumption that the Saint King that founded the Belka Imperium and The Saint who was Vivio's original are one and the same. Is this correct?
This is almost certainly not the case. If it was, Quarttro would not have mentioned the "Royal Family" in ep23. She would have said "Armor of the Saint" was The Saint's IS directly.
She is almost certainly implying that there was more than one Ancient Belka Saint King and they ALL had the "Armor of the Saint" IS.
And if you had a whole line of Saint Kings, you can have millenia of Ancient Belka history between its founding and the days of The Saint and its demise about 300 years ago.
What do you think?

I'm actually working with exactly what you described.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Let me see if I got this right.
I get the impression that a number of you who are creating material related to Ancient Belka history appear to operating under the assumption that the Saint King that founded the Belka Imperium and The Saint who was Vivio's original are one and the same. Is this correct?
This is almost certainly not the case. If it was, Quarttro would not have mentioned the "Royal Family" in ep23. She would have said "Armor of the Saint" was The Saint's IS directly.
She is almost certainly implying that there was more than one Ancient Belka Saint King and they ALL had the "Armor of the Saint" IS.
And if you had a whole line of Saint Kings, you can have millenia of Ancient Belka history between its founding and the days of The Saint and its demise about 300 years ago.
What do you think?

I don't dispute this, but I was under the impression that the others are doing the story of the LAST (( presumably )) Saint King (( implied to be Vivio's original )) who was the prophet that founded the Saint Church that lasted 300 years to the present. I think we're all aware that the Royal Family all had that Rare Skill, but it'd be a lot more redundant to create a story that isn't fully interlinked to an actual canon character's heritage.

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Tell me all about it

It'll save me the memory space

Oh yeah...

REMEMBER PEOPLE, DROP EVERYTHING AND SKIP TO TRACK 15 ! ONCE AGAIN, IT'S TRACK 15 !!

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS!! FOR THE KING!!!

I think we're just going to be dissapointed with such excitement...

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I don't think...

So you've read all?

Or are you not going to?

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Kha

That's accurate enough. But not too mortal, for Seiou even in life clearly isn't. To me, it's like saying Jesus was mortal, which I really hope he wasn't. Not a demi-god, but definitely not just another ningen.

He's using Saber as a template, we've seen what Saber can dish out. You consider that 'too mortal?'

I wana be able to scale buildings and create invisible swords too!

Originally Posted by Nightengale

I don't dispute this, but I was under the impression that the others are doing the story of the LAST (( presumably )) Saint King (( implied to be Vivio's original )) who was the prophet that founded the Saint Church that lasted 300 years to the present. I think we're all aware that the Royal Family all had that Rare Skill, but it'd be a lot more redundant to create a story that isn't fully interlinked to an actual canon character's heritage.

The Primarchs are living proof that we are working with a line of kings. The genetic material used to create them was taken from several generations, not just Sakura. Alistina is the only one based on Sakura's genetical data, which is why she was asigned to her protection.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Keroko

And we've broken the 12k barrier! HA! CATCH UP WITH US NOW, IMAGE THREAD!

"Eat my dust, mortals!"
[/homer]

Originally Posted by Keroko

So the damage would be mental rather then physical... is there also a chance of permanent damage? As in, simply too much for the mind to proccess?

Actually it's both mental and physical. Think two, I know I'm going to regret this, 'souls' trying to use one body... And they don't share.

As for permanent damage? At the rate he's going? Very low. He hasn't gone overboard ever since the end of the Book of Darkness incident.

Originally Posted by Keroko

Support magic combined with a small amount of offensive ones. A friont line healer, so to say.

Carim: -=[Overdrive! Magnus Exorcismus!!]=-

Originally Posted by Keroko

Destiny then?

Nah, I don't think so...

[Jimmy C]

Originally Posted by Keroko

The Primarchs are living proof that we are working with a line of kings. The genetic material used to create them was taken from several generations

Keroko, what is your projected lifespan for a Primarch, barring death through battle or misadventure?

[FlameSparkZ]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

SS03 IS OUT! DOWNLOADING!

ION CANON. ION CANON. ION CANON...

Yeah! More information

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

[Nagasumi]
"Otou-san! Please give your daughter to me!"
[/Nagasumi]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

An advice...

... Don't EVER let me find out

Unfortunately, thinking about it made make a scene where someone (Tiriel) with her speech, unintentionally hits Yui right were it hurts

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

I think we're just going to be dissapointed with such excitement...

Of course, I'm not expecting a make-out session ( ) But it's going to be awhile till we get to feel excited about anything relating to Nanoha again, so might as well get excited now.

Originally Posted by Nightengale

So you've read all?

Or are you not going to?

Whatever comes my way

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Originally Posted by FlameSparkZ

Unfortunately, thinking about it made make a scene where someone (Tiriel) with her speech, unintentionally hits Yui right were it hurts

If it is, what I think it is, then it's VERY awkward

[Keroko]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Actually it's both mental and physical. Think two, I know I'm going to regret this, 'souls' trying to use one body... And they don't share.

As for permanent damage? At the rate he's going? Very low. He hasn't gone overboard ever since the end of the Book of Darkness incident.

*perks up*

...souls?

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Carim: -=[Overdrive! Magnus Exorcismus!!]=-

The anime one? Hell yes!

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Nah, I don't think so...

Neighbours then?

Originally Posted by Jimmy C

Keroko, what is your projected lifespan for a Primarch, barring death through battle or misadventure?

At the moment? Normal human length, perhaps a few decades longer. Subject to edit as new info flows in untill its finalized.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by Keroko

Big huge uberboss was not what made Nighty's Saga so epic.

LOL.

I showed my friend (( a better writer than me )) my Saga der Saga yesterday, and you know what was his first comment was through MSN few hours ago?

"Are you sure you didn't rip this off Gurren-Lagann?"