2010-06-29, 06:31 | Link #12041 | |
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To be fair, multiple tightly closed doors create air pockets that make for very good soundproofing. Notice, for example, that the noise of Hideyoshi's shower in Ep1 is not heard until the door to the bathroom is opened, and certainly isn't heard from outside the room. From which it follows that Kumasawa's scream is heard a long distance away because she wanted it to be heard a long distance away, but that's hardly surprising.
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2010-06-29, 08:16 | Link #12042 |
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Forget sound, I'm still amazed nobody notices other people are wet from being outside. You'd figure every time George and Shannon come back from their little meeting that somebody would notice, or that there'd be muddy footprints in the boiler room if someone dragged Kinzo in there from the courtyard.
It's a story, I know, but they always make references to things that alleviate being wet (asking if people need umbrellas, offering to prepare towels). If the killer isn't going outside, they're remarkably confident they won't get spotted or trapped.
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2010-06-29, 08:30 | Link #12043 | |
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That is, it might make your face dry and help with your hair, but there's no way to dry a wet jacket with a towel and it will stay noticeably wet for at least half an hour no matter how much you try to rub the water off.
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2010-06-29, 10:13 | Link #12044 | |
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And maybe the killer is the only person on the island sensible enough to bring an anorak . |
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2010-06-29, 10:24 | Link #12045 |
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Guys I need to make an apology...
So far I've been saying that the theory of Erika breaking up with his boyfriend wasn't a fact, that that was ambiguous enough to think it might involve someone else, probably her parents. Well... I've found out there's indeed enough evidence to make that claim. It is indeed true that Erika for the most part was quoting someone else's speeches (which is why I was dubious), and not hers, but that persons turned out to be indeed her former boyfriend...
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2010-06-29, 11:41 | Link #12046 |
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One mystery solved, at least. Poor Erika. But as for sound, the killer could be using a pistol or something smaller, it does not HAVE to be a shotgun. A pistol makes a more compressed sound, and the killer perhaps could have used a pillow or something as a makeshift silencer.
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2010-06-29, 12:12 | Link #12048 |
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For what killings do you need a silencer, I am wondering? A ****ing typhoon is a god of silencing, so if you aren't in the same building then you don't need one. And as previously stated, these rooms seem to have a decent amount of soundproofing anyways.
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2010-06-29, 12:24 | Link #12049 |
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A gun makes a lot more noise than most people believe, and the so called "silencers" are nowhere close as silent as the movies make them sound.
I can however imagine that if you add up the typhoon, the thick walls of an old-style mansion, and a pillow the gunshot might go unnoticed or regarded at some less harmless event. Like a servant dropping a bottle or such.
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2010-06-29, 12:46 | Link #12050 |
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Well, I am willing to buy ep4 in that Battler is unlikely to have heard gunshots at the mansion from the guesthouse. I have no question the typhoon would drown out all but the loudest noises at that distance and between two buildings, or at the very least would sound like distant thunder.
My issue is what happens within the building itself when a person is allegedly killed by shooting. When that happens, everyone in the building should have heard it. Now in some cases they very well may have, but couldn't do anything to stop the killer. But in at least a few cases, Battler is actually in a building where the shootings would have had to occur, and doesn't hear a thing. So either ryukishi overestimates silencers, or the weapon used isn't a powder-firing gun or somesuch loud weapon.
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2010-06-29, 12:51 | Link #12051 | |
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...well, unless you're Battler, maybe...
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2010-06-29, 12:59 | Link #12052 |
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Erika is actually dead when she arrives on the island. However, because the Ushiromiyas are sadistic, they play with her corpse. They animate the body by holding her up by her arms and use ventriloquism to pretend like she's alive. Whenever the group splits up, one person is designated as the "carrier," and that person drags Erika's body around. Therefore, there is no contradiction with the red or Battler's perspective. ...Mostly a humor theory, but it came to me in a dream the other day. And yes, it was quite amusing to see Eva treat Erika's bloated corpse like a stuffed animal. As for the whole noise issue, remember what the kids were doing: playing cards with each other. Now, I don't remember precisely when this is said, but they were very loud with each other (screaming, cheering, laughing). Do you think this could overcome the loudness of a suppressed gun? Granted, the happy-happy fun times with the children pretty much end after the First Twilights, but it almost guarantees a reason that the kids didn't hear a gunshot at that time. And we don't know how well the rooms are at muting sound; I'd imagine a rich guy like Kinzo would have nice, soundproofed walls. Now, I will concede that it is strange how almost no one hears any gunshots like ever (with a few notable exceptions) but as they say, "the story gets what the story wants." |
2010-06-29, 13:00 | Link #12053 | |
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I would think it has to be in episodes 2 and 3 because from what I can remember the other four are fine on the sound aspect, if you don't count no screaming at all. Then again, all of the victims were likely drugged. I have an unrelated question, the witch's trial at the end of episode 5 was said to be begin at 24:00 on the second day, the game's end, correct? Last edited by Smeckledorf; 2010-06-29 at 13:10. |
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2010-06-29, 13:11 | Link #12055 |
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I don't think anyone was shot in ep2. The killer seemed to be wandering around with some kind of sword (would Kinzo have some kind of cavalry sword hanging up somewhere? Eh). In ep 3, on the other hand, 5 people were apparently shot inside the mansion. While at least Natsuhi and Krauss were in there.
Come to think of it, doesn't it seem like Natsuhi and Krauss sleep in different rooms? Classic sign of marital discord right there :P. |
2010-06-29, 13:13 | Link #12056 | |
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2010-06-29, 13:17 | Link #12057 |
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Hm... I would say either there is a spear shaped object or they were faking it. In episode 3, no one was in the building with Nanjo except Jessica and we don't know what she really heard.
I don't see a problem with Nanjo and Kumasawa in episode 2, the bodies could have been murdered in a different building then brought there. George, Gohda, and Shanon were killed by the stakes it appears. I could have swore Eva and Battler were out of the mansion when Nanjo was killed in episode 3. |
2010-06-29, 13:20 | Link #12058 | |
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I actually meet people who are distressed by having to share the bed for actual sleeping every now and then -- because they snore, try to roll the blanket into a tube while they sleep, or just can't fall asleep next to anyone, or for other silly reasons... so unfortunately the fact that they have different bedrooms doesn't tell us anything useful, families, like software and gases, naturally expand to occupy all space available.
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2010-06-29, 13:23 | Link #12060 | |
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It'd actually be funny if Kanon thinks Battler is the murderer.
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