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DarkLordOfkichiku · 2008-08-10, 14:50

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Originally Posted by Sports72Xtrm

Well Lelouch I'm guessing has some supporters left from Japan who believe in Lelouch even if he is a Britannian prince. I'm guessing there will be civil war among the Japanese about which side they want to win which is why he calls Kallen out. He shows examples of ruthlessness by killing his own people to show them that he has finally come to the conclusion that he is a Britannian now. What better way to crush resistance morale than to defeat its greatest warrior. Plus all the debating of who actually stronger will finally come to a conclusion. Kozuki Kallen! Now you know who you're fighting!

Well, if it's indeed Kallen he faces and he defeats her, I just hope it isn't a permantent defeat as such...

Aquaman OS · 2008-08-10, 14:54

Didn't the spoilers say that ALL the Japanese turn on him except Kallen? I don't think that will be the case. Especially since Lelouch himself isn't supposed to ally with Japan anymore.

kk2extreme · 2008-08-10, 14:54

what's new after the betray according to the korean spoilers?

Kusaja · 2008-08-10, 14:54

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

It was either a lie or they were just talking about season 1's finale in which there wasn't many character deaths.

Note that wasn't necessarily coming from "the writers" but I believe it was mentioned by a proven spoiler source on 2ch that's no longer around, apparently. Yes, there's a difference, even in the event that source was part of the staff.

And I would definitely think that was one of those spoilers that probably referred more to the last two episodes of the first season than to R2 in general, considering when they first came out.

Aquaman OS · 2008-08-10, 14:57

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Originally Posted by kk2extreme

what's new after the betray according to the korean spoilers?

Nothing. That's as far as they go.

Which is why people thought they were setting up for a third season because they thought that was the season finale. Turns out the show wasn't quite over yet.

serenade_beta · 2008-08-10, 14:58

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Her name's Marika. And how is it ironic?

Ah, his sister after all.

Maybe ironic wasn't the best word to describe how I felt... I just find it amusing that both siblings became prey to Guren...
Ah, she was cute, but I somehow find her death funny. Mah, I guess it is because she is just a grunt... and Britannian (and other country) grunts in this anime die all the time. Zaama miro.

Dream_Traveller · 2008-08-10, 15:01

Eh, I wanted them to actually show some skill...have some Wards tie the Shinkiro up and have the Valkyries properly combat the Guren. Personal opinion.

Queen Kittan · 2008-08-10, 15:01

Zero's managed to achieve more because his methods are more right than Suzaku. You can call Lelouch a mass murderer and blah, but the fact is that Suzaku is doing the same AND for the wrong side.

"Change from within" is a notion conservatives try to spread because when you try it, they can keep an eye on you, and make sure you don't actually change anything.

So while neither Zero nor Suzaku are entirely right, Suzaku is definitely more of a villain than Lelouch is. He is a sell out.

Witacume · 2008-08-10, 15:02

Spoiler for spoilers:

DarkLordOfkichiku · 2008-08-10, 15:03

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Didn't the spoilers say that ALL the Japanese turn on him except Kallen?

They say that Kallen is the only one that doesn't betray him, that's all.

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

I don't think that will be the case. Especially since Lelouch himself isn't supposed to ally with Japan anymore.

You're talking about the part about Kallen not turning on him? Hey, the spoilers only say that she doesn't betray him, which means that she might not partiparticle in the hunt for him (at least not wholeheartily) or betray any location where he might be at. But that doesn't rule out Kallen leaving him indeed.

darthfury78 · 2008-08-10, 15:07

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Being too stubborn to do that will result in Charles winning.

Light Yagami refused to change and look what happened to him.

Exactly. Light Yagami could have gotten out of the bad situation that he was in with L had he had let the Death Note go, in the when he lost his memory. This way, he could have had a normal life with Takada or Misa. But he desire to hold on to the Death Note cost him everything he held dear to him in its influence: His sister(in a state of shock), Father, and his true love, Takada. To think that he would still have these people around him if he never came into contact with the Death Note.

Lelouch's situation is no where near to Light's predicument because he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. He came into contact with C.C. by accident and was granted the geass in order to save his life from danger. With this new power, he now had the means of starting a revolution for Japan's independence from Britainia.

So far, Lelouch has lost two of his closest loved ones: Euphemia, Shirley, and perhaps Nunnally. He has lost his secret identity and his best friend Suzaku. In addition, he has put his friends at Ashford Academy in grave danger. If news about his identity is made public, they will surely consider him a traitor to his own people. Lelouch can never return to Ashford unless he stays hidden from everyone, which will be very hard to do.

Aquaman OS · 2008-08-10, 15:08

Either way that kinda kills the "Suzaku fights Kallen to make an example of the Japanese that still side with Lelouch" theory.

Though I think she would go with him. Otherwise who will help him out after he's lost his army. Jeremiah alone?

Sports72Xtrm · 2008-08-10, 15:13

hm maybe, it's just what thought would be cool if it did happen. Idk where Lelouch would run to or if he has any support at all. I mean he can't use his zero persona to gain japanese support but he is Marriane's son which apparently is enough to gather a few followers. Maybe he goes to Marriane's garden lol I have no idea

Witacume · 2008-08-10, 15:15

Well the stage is set the UN on one side and brittinian on the other but I suspect that a Civil war will break out in brittianian soon. they been hinting at it too much.
Yet from the depths comes the Lelouch faction with Kallen and JEremiah. Is that it?
Maybe Rivalz and Millay can come too?

kk2extreme · 2008-08-10, 15:16

Spoiler for possible ending, dont get offended:

DarkLordOfkichiku · 2008-08-10, 15:16

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Either way that kinda kills the "Suzaku fights Kallen to make an example of the Japanese that still side with Lelouch" theory.

Well, we'll see I suppose. anyway, the term "strongest opponent" can apply to several characters and their mechs; it could be the KoO in his Galahad, Jeremiah in his Sutherland Sieg or Kallen in her Neo-Guren (need to learn it's name, still haven't properly memorized it >_<) - or even someone else. It depends on who the magazines interpret at being this "strongest opponent"... Some have even speculated that this could be Gino, maybe in his modified mech we see in the OP.

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Though I think she would go with him. Otherwise who will help him out after he's lost his army. Jeremiah alone?

Well, he might always re-enlist her at a somewhat later stage if nothing else. But again, we will see what happens.

morbosfist · 2008-08-10, 16:30

I can't see him fighting Kallen, because it wouldn't do any good by the time it happens. She won't be representing any unified force and he won't get anything important out of it ("You killed the enemy ace, here's a cookie."). Unless he's just really pissed off and wants blood, Knight of One seems the logical option.

darthfury78 · 2008-08-10, 16:32

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Originally Posted by Aquaman OS

Either way that kinda kills the "Suzaku fights Kallen to make an example of the Japanese that still side with Lelouch" theory.

Though I think she would go with him. Otherwise who will help him out after he's lost his army. Jeremiah alone?

Lelouch still has a lot of important contacts who will help him. Kallen will probably stay with him because he is going to need a very strong pilot at his side. Gino and Anya will join up as well. So Lelouch might actually create a new army that might be much stronger than the Order of the Black Knights. And if Diethard leaves him, then I don't need to tell you who will take up his position.

Lelouch still has Kallen. And if possible, Milly Ashford. Especially if she learns that Lelouch is Zero. He still has two women left to turn to. Provided that he even bothers to contact her to see if she's ok. I doubt it because he is going to be very angery with Rolo for not saving his sister. Serves him right for trusting Rolo to begin with.

I wondered who told Milly to get out of Tokyo before the bomb was activated? Was it Sayoko or Nina? We'll learn soon enough. Since the news station was destroyed in the attack, I wonder where Milly will turn to?

geewhiz · 2008-08-10, 16:34

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Originally Posted by morbosfist

Knight of One seems the logical option.

Well wait a minute while I agree KoO is the most logical remember Charles was once a Rounds as well, maybe a nice spar with Sakuradite-Veins'll do him some good.

morbosfist · 2008-08-10, 16:35

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Well wait a minute while I agree KoO is the most logical remember Charles was once a Rounds as well, maybe a nice spar with Sakuradite-Veins'll do him some good.

Wait, Charles was a Rounds? They didn't even have Knightmares when he became Emperor.

2008-08-10, 15:02	Link #12069
Witacume Kalulu YES WE CAN Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: CALIFORNIA!! Age: 37	Spoiler for spoilers: ☆ Lelouch, who tries to return to humanity from his path as a demon king, loses his precious things because of it. 1. "Lover": Shirley Check 2. Partner: C.C. Check 3. Sister: Nunnally Check (i question if she is really dead 4. "Rag": Rolo Not check but 99 percent guaranteed it will happen in 19 5. Believer: Diethard in 19 6. Organization: OotBK in 19 7. Friend: Suzaku check 8. Identity: Zero in 19 ☆ Cornelia is captured at the Geass Cult by lelouch, but escapes to Schneizel. in 19 ☆ Ougi meets up with Viletta during the Union of Nations's takeback of Japan, and begins to doubt Zero. Check ☆ Before Ougi betrays the Order, Diethard takes Viletta hostage and threatens Ougi to continue his job as a vice commandor. This is because Ougi is able to hold all these members of different characteristics together. Check ☆ The Union of Nations is made up of Chinese Federation and the remains of EU. The commandor is Xingke. CHeck ☆ In sasongugomu (no idea what this is), Asahina died in the nuke attack. His last words become the keywords that made the OotBK's betray Zero. Check ☆ The Knights find out that Zero was a Britannian prince and think he was using them as playthings. Ougi leads the mutiny to kill Zero. Check ☆ C.C. loses her memory as C.C., and becomes an ordinary girl. Check ☆ Suzaku gets to know that Lelouch got his memories back. He confronts Lelouch, and when Lelocuh confesses that he is the reborn Zero, Schneizel, who had someone follow Suzaku, sends in forces to arrest Lelouch. Check ☆ The contents of Lelouch and Suzaku's conversation are recorded, including his Geass that can command people. This becomes an important factor that led to the OotBK's betrayal. in 19 ☆ Believing Suzaku had tricked him, Lelouch decides to go the path of the demon king. Check ☆ Nina had put her nuke on Lancelot, thinking it as a "stronger" bomb. When Suzaku uses it during his fight with Lelouch, it blew up Tokyo, killing nearly 10 million people. CHeck thought this one was iffy ☆ Nunnally's survival is unknown. Ashford, being in the outskirts of Tokyo, remains intact. Check ☆ The emperor wants to connect ruins in all parts of the world to Ragnarok. To destroy the old world through this, and create the new world. 17 check and maybe more in 19 ☆ Kallen escapes in the new Guren. In the end she weren't able to stop Lelouch and Suzaku's quarrel. Kallen stands in the crossroads of selection, can't decide whether to betray Zero with all other Black Knights or not. A lie from Lelouch hurts her feelings and she decides to leave him. However, when she's thinking about leaving, Lelouch's last line become the key to express his true feelings to Kallen. Finishes in 19 ☆ The weakness of Rolo's geass is, it strains his heart. When all of the Black Knights betrayed, he is the only one striving to lead Lelouch to the Shinkirou. Britannia army and OotBK joined hands in the pursue. To stop them, Rolo overuses his geass and dies. In 19 ☆ Guilford ends up taking Orange's path. CHeck ☆ Schneizel, who had been collecting info on the Geass, plots against Charles. in 19? he seems to be plotting already ☆ The OotBK requests to liberate Japan in return for turning over Lelouch. In 19 ☆ Diethard forsakes Lelouch too ("your broadcast ends here"). Tamaki also betrayed. The only one that's not showing intension to betray is Kallen. in 19 ☆ Ougi betrays Lelouch twice. First time it's right after meeting Viletta, but Diethard stops him. The second time is after Schenizel exposing Lelouch's identity, and even Diethard is in doubt, so there's no one to stop him. in 19 ☆ Lelouch feels responsible for C.C.'s losing memories. He wears a ring on the ring finger of C.C.'s left hand, and say, "please stay with me". C.C. calls him master (or husband? not sure) and does not leave him. this one can happen in 19 but she got a band aid. We will wait for 19 ☆ The reborn Jeremiah joins Lelouch with a godly mech. And becomes his personal guard. Check

2008-08-10, 15:16	Link #12075
kk2extreme Your wife is hot... Join Date: May 2008 Location: At your house fixing A/C	Spoiler for possible ending, dont get offended: So the end would be lulu and cc (w/o memories) escape from the world of war and live together somewhere unknown, and years later kallen and suzaku visit them as long lost friends, do a 08 ms team ending, i will take it

2008-08-10, 16:30	Link #12077
morbosfist Spinning Lotus Join Date: Jul 2008	I can't see him fighting Kallen, because it wouldn't do any good by the time it happens. She won't be representing any unified force and he won't get anything important out of it ("You killed the enemy ace, here's a cookie."). Unless he's just really pissed off and wants blood, Knight of One seems the logical option. __________________

2008-08-10, 14:54	Link #12062
Aquaman OS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Didn't the spoilers say that ALL the Japanese turn on him except Kallen? I don't think that will be the case. Especially since Lelouch himself isn't supposed to ally with Japan anymore.

2008-08-10, 14:54	Link #12063
kk2extreme Your wife is hot... Join Date: May 2008 Location: At your house fixing A/C	what's new after the betray according to the korean spoilers?

2008-08-10, 15:01	Link #12067
Dream_Traveller Banned Join Date: Jun 2007	Eh, I wanted them to actually show some skill...have some Wards tie the Shinkiro up and have the Valkyries properly combat the Guren. Personal opinion.

2008-08-10, 15:01	Link #12068
Queen Kittan Junior Member Join Date: May 2008	Zero's managed to achieve more because his methods are more right than Suzaku. You can call Lelouch a mass murderer and blah, but the fact is that Suzaku is doing the same AND for the wrong side. "Change from within" is a notion conservatives try to spread because when you try it, they can keep an eye on you, and make sure you don't actually change anything. So while neither Zero nor Suzaku are entirely right, Suzaku is definitely more of a villain than Lelouch is. He is a sell out.

2008-08-10, 15:08	Link #12072
Aquaman OS Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008	Either way that kinda kills the "Suzaku fights Kallen to make an example of the Japanese that still side with Lelouch" theory. Though I think she would go with him. Otherwise who will help him out after he's lost his army. Jeremiah alone?

2008-08-10, 15:13	Link #12073
Sports72Xtrm Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: United States	hm maybe, it's just what thought would be cool if it did happen. Idk where Lelouch would run to or if he has any support at all. I mean he can't use his zero persona to gain japanese support but he is Marriane's son which apparently is enough to gather a few followers. Maybe he goes to Marriane's garden lol I have no idea

2008-08-10, 15:15	Link #12074
Witacume Kalulu YES WE CAN Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: CALIFORNIA!! Age: 37	Well the stage is set the UN on one side and brittinian on the other but I suspect that a Civil war will break out in brittianian soon. they been hinting at it too much. Yet from the depths comes the Lelouch faction with Kallen and JEremiah. Is that it? Maybe Rivalz and Millay can come too?