2010-06-29, 19:00 | Link #12141 |
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If Meta-Battler isn't "Kinzo's grandchild," then sure, she can be referring to a game on the actual board. That would perhaps set up some kind of Shannon/Kanon Beatrice/"Battler" conflict... though we don't actually know which is which (thanks, "grandchild"), or which one is the evil one.
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2010-06-29, 19:12 | Link #12142 |
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...then Meta-Beatrice can say that she opened the game-on-the-board to fight the Other Battler, who is both grandchild and child of Kinzo, stranger things have been proposed seriously before. Though it still leaves a few holes...
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2010-06-29, 19:16 | Link #12143 |
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Kinzo doesn't have to be the father of the Other Battler. One, it's icky. Two, there just needs to be one person of Kinzo's descent. In fact, the other parent of the grandchild might have quite a lot of power.
Also Beatrice-2 = Asumu would seem to make quite a liar out of Rosa, or else she grossly misinterpreted the situation.
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2010-06-29, 19:20 | Link #12144 | ||||
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And I opened this game in order to fight Ushiromiya Kinzo's grandchild Ushiromiya Battler. Ushiromiya Battler's mother is Ushiromiya Asumu. We could also take her Blues into account too I suppose. Quote:
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One thing that needs to be explained with this is who is Asumu's family exactly? And why would she be living in the Kuwadorian for so long without them knowing?
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If the timing of the red strictly corresponds to the timing of the scene shown on screen, regardless of whether they're shown in correct temporal order or not, then both Kinzo is dead before the 1985 conference and Beatrice-2 is dead when seen, i.e. in 1967-68. Then Asumu cannot possibly be Beatrice-2, and then there is probably no way to connect them. If the flashback scenes are exempt, then Rosa may have misinterpreted what was shown and Asumu is dead six years ago anyway, so the red fits. I'm not sure which to pick.
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2010-06-29, 19:25 | Link #12146 |
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That the "game to fight Ushiromiya Kinzo's granchild, Ushiromiya Battler" is not the one she is playing against Meta-Battler, but the one that unfolds on the game board itself, where onboard team-Beatrice is trying to prevent the Other Battler from reaching some goal. (solving the epitaph, grabbing the inheritance, killing everyone...)
Well, just what do we know about them anyway?
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2010-06-29, 19:28 | Link #12148 |
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Only that, save for Rudolf, all of his potential guardians died one by one before he returned. So even if he didn't return he didn't have anyone to take care of him really if he didn't do it. I've often thought that was the only reason he returned to the family register at all.
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2010-06-29, 19:39 | Link #12149 |
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Side thought: Beatrice's blue makes no sense when taken together with her subsequent lines.
Reasoning: She says, in white, that "the true Ushiromiya Battler did not commit a sin". It follows that if anyone has committed it at all, it has to be someone else. Then why ask This Battler about it at all, if she is supposed to initially believe he is the "true Ushiromia Battler", and thus could not have committed the sin?
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2010-06-29, 19:42 | Link #12151 |
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Well if we beleive what Kyrie says it was Asumu who cornered Rudolf and forced him to engage her not Kinzo and not Kyrie. In fact she says "I was the one who was going out with Rudolf since the beginning... Asumu shewdly cut between us... and shrewdly got pregnant".
Actually Asumu from Kyrie's perspective seems like the opposite of What Ssol describes of her in his theory. If we beleive what Kyrie says Rudolf was cheating with Asumu not the other way around. He could've met her in a bar or something. Asumu just sounds like a typical gold digger.
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2010-06-29, 19:48 | Link #12152 | |
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It is quite possible that Kyrie simply doesn't know some things.
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2010-06-29, 19:50 | Link #12153 |
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That's the other side of being legendary. If nobody can put anything past you, epic depravities and crimes are just as much fair game to become stories told about you as feats of daring and epic pranks.
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2010-06-29, 19:50 | Link #12154 |
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I dunno Judoh. I'm not particularly familiar with the technology of 1986 nor marriage customs nor laws, but I feel like Rudolph wouldn't bother marrying her without some sort of pressure from someone like Kinzo.
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2010-06-29, 20:13 | Link #12159 | |
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And if it didn't come cheap, something good has to come out of it in return, otherwise why do it? Compassion for Rudolf? Seriously? Well, if he had to have been prepared to pay for child support in either case, why the heck pick the woman he is clearly not closer to, especially if this possibly involves asking his father for reluctant help?
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