2009-07-16, 08:50 | Link #1202 | |
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Also, I haven't finished Ep 4 yet so maybe there are more clues about this, but this thread made me wonder if 07151129 might be referring to Bible chapter/verses, since they've come up quite a bit in the game already. |
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2009-07-16, 08:55 | Link #1203 |
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Anyway I also find it very strange that in this fantasy universe witches and magic base their arts on the bible and the cabal. I usually associate witches and sorcery with pagan cults and certainly all those bible thumping who hate harry potter and similar works do not think of "magic" as something related to the holy book.
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2009-07-16, 09:22 | Link #1204 | |
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This is one book that gives a good overview of the origins of a lot of these practices, though obviously, the "occult" that appears in Umineko is a culmination of superstitions building up through the Renaissance to the 19th century. |
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2009-07-16, 09:23 | Link #1205 | |
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Here's what I came up with a while back (EP 03 game thread): |
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2009-07-16, 09:25 | Link #1206 | |
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So yes, the words were so unexpected to Battler that he couldn't pick them out from Maria's whisper at first. But later on, once he hears the word "sacrifices" elsewhere, it jolts his memory.
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2009-07-16, 09:26 | Link #1207 |
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Oooh, good work. Those do seem really fitting. I like the Corinthians one especially, as it seems to have a lot to do with Battler's and Beatrice's game. I wondered if maybe there was a hint about which book in the Bible it could be contained somewhere in the original circle that was on the door, but it seems quite difficult to say. |
2009-07-16, 09:27 | Link #1208 |
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I'm not a Christian, nor a Westerner, so my knowledge of Western occult and holy symbols are practically minimum. It's interested me that the origin of witchcraft is also based on religions (although not surprising since many Eastern occults are also the same).
I guess maybe most people associate the supernatural power that related to the bible with priests.
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2009-07-16, 09:29 | Link #1209 |
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I must say... I founnd it kinda hilarous in the novel that they only understand the murders were following the epitaph at the very end. I clearly remember at that time I thought: what the hell? Are you noticing it only now?
Now it would be understandable if Maria hadn't say a thing, but she clearly spoke of sacrifices explaining the first magic circle, pus there were all of those witch letters, and the demonic stakes. Pretty much every anime watcher reached that conclusion instantly even before Maria spoke.
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2009-07-16, 09:35 | Link #1212 |
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It's actually not odd to think about how witches, western mysticism and the like are tied to Judeo-Christian lore. A lot of of the early Western-based mysticism was actually based on the Kaballah and by extension the Zohar (no not Xenogears/saga) and many other writings of the Judaic(sp?) and Hebrew traditions.
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2009-07-16, 10:23 | Link #1213 | |
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On another hand, Episode 1 of Umineko seems to start out focusing on the traditional closed circle mystery angle - people start dying (albeit a little flashily), what's the motive? A large fortune is at stake, so naturally people's attention might be drawn to that, rather than to revive a witch or some other nonsense... Eva makes this conclusion at the end of her talk with Battler, that she's the most likely culprit because she's the next in line. I think it was most likely done from a story perspective to play down the supernatural element, and start the game off with a horror/mystery feel. |
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2009-07-16, 12:29 | Link #1216 |
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I posted this in the discussion poll earlier
but however, it doesn't seem to have attracted much attention took me a while to translate these from Baidu (A.K.A. Chinese 4chan) Umineko board This is absolutely the most hilarious thing I've read since: Spoiler for ep4:
That line was also from Baidu and now this... Warning: Spoiler up 'till epI-III(Dubious Move) Spoiler for George: '...Dad, is there a ring anywhere on Shannon's fingers?':
I hope you guys enjoy it =_=||| |
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