2011-03-10, 06:45 | Link #12401 |
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... I cannot express how disgusting that legislation is. I cannot believe they would just blatantly ignore the chorus of voices at their doorstep and blatantly circumvent their very own laws in order to get this approved.
I hope to god Democrats fight this rubbish all the way to 2012.
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2011-03-10, 10:28 | Link #12402 |
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I would point out there are plenty of working people that have absolutely no love for unions. Either having been excluding for not being in a union, or forced to work longer because someone else's union went on strike, or had a spouse suffer because their union went on strike for reasons that did not really help in the long term. Or simply because they view the modern unions as greedy things that are nothing like the unions of the early 1900s. Back then they were needed to break the corperations from mistreatment of the workers, but now they might be a cause for mistreatment of some workers, or just money pits that make the union bosses rich and stuff the workers with nonsense.
These are the people that will support these changes and vote for the Republicans in 2012. However a blatant sidestepping of the rules in WI is not what I call a good thing, and should bite them in the ass come election time. Not because of their stand on unions, but because that is not how a lawmaker should do things.
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2011-03-10, 12:32 | Link #12403 | |
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Indeed, so disgusting that you cant even bring yourself to read it, I bet
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2011-03-10, 13:17 | Link #12404 |
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So you're saying a political leader should only listen to his base and it's fine fucking others over on the grounds of "well they didn't vote for me anyway"? Though I'd bet a number of people who did vote for him are now regretting it and will not next time around.
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2011-03-10, 13:57 | Link #12406 | |
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Constituents = people who live in the area I represent, including the ones on the other side of the political spectrum.
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2011-03-10, 14:45 | Link #12409 | |
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Constituents = people who donate money to my campaign.
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2011-03-10, 14:53 | Link #12410 |
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How things progress from here on will be very very interesting. People in the other States who works in public sector should be on their heels from here on. America is changing radically.
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2011-03-10, 16:06 | Link #12411 | |
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That guy could conceivably argue that killing the unions will be good for the state of Wisconsin as a whole. Argue it well enough to be elected again. Why, then, shouldn't he act? PS: I'm not saying I agree with anything he's done. Or even that I believe he had anybody's good but his in mind. |
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2011-03-10, 16:21 | Link #12412 | |
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2011-03-10, 16:24 | Link #12413 | |
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There isn't the same emphasis on unions in general as there were decades ago so many younger voters are likely to be ambivilent about them at least. Where I see this as interesting is where this will take finances of states and large metropolises and whether there will be a larger targeting of all public unions (teachers, public transit) nationwide. My opinion, I don't really like the strong arm tactics of the Gov. there and I ain't no anti-union man but it is true that public sector unions cannot be isolated from the austerity measures that are likely to hit everywhere else, whether it's right to strip them of ALL rights I think is a little much. |
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2011-03-10, 16:25 | Link #12414 |
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I'm thinking more in terms of the State Senators rather than the Governor. They are the ones that vote things into effect and the ones that answer to the people of their districts interests (or are suppose to). The Governor of a state will be able to upset up to 49% of the population and still be reelected.
Unless of course there are term limits involved...then they might not care since they aren't up for reelection anyway.
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2011-03-10, 16:58 | Link #12415 |
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Saudi protest dispersed by police, shots heard
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7296DP20110310 Wondering which direction it will go...
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2011-03-10, 17:02 | Link #12416 | |
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2011-03-10, 18:37 | Link #12418 | |
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What they did was separate the funding/appropriatons part out of the bill which meant they didn't need a quorum to vote. It also illuminated the fact this isn't about finances or the budget of Wisconsin at all. That's just the shiny lights being used. What is quite likely illegal is that they violated the Open Meetings laws of the state in doing what they did. But a court will have to mull that one out. Its interesting that at least one of the Republicans was appalled enough to vote "no" (and said so afterwards). In the meantime, it looks like we'll have a bill that eliminates employee rights, kills much of the oversight on the governor's actions (e.g. selling public utilities, etc) but lacks the financial mechanics required.
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2011-03-10, 19:28 | Link #12419 | |
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18 boys and men.
One 11 year school girl. umm that didn't end well... http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/09/us...mescjrmckinley NYT and local residents there sums up the incident. Quote:
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2011-03-11, 01:46 | Link #12420 |
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Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 no harm intended
8.8 Quake in Northern Japan wow really 8.8 is very high hope everyone's alright pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/ianlewis/5516375687/ http://twitpic.com/48dj2o
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