Nanoha Manga Discussion

[Kaijo]

From what I understand, Tsuzuki has already said Vivid isn't going to have much of a plot. So, expect Standard Tournament Shenanigans, with all the mages aged 10 to 19 participating. Though it might be interesting to see some people with grudges against Einhart to come out of the woodwork, although they'd probably be shallow villains and easily defeated.

And yeah, I agree; technically Vivio defeated Einhart first. Unless there is some rule where you aren't technically defeated until you hit the ground, so a midair counter-strike is allowed.

Anyway, what I expect to see, is either Vivio facing and defeating Einhart at the end of the tournament, or if it's pairs or teams, then Vivio and Ein triumph over another group. Based on Seeing Quint vs. Megane, it looks like the former is more likely.

[RadiantBeam]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

From what I understand, Tsuzuki has already said Vivid isn't going to have much of a plot. So, expect Standard Tournament Shenanigans, with all the mages aged 10 to 19 participating. Though it might be interesting to see some people with grudges against Einhart to come out of the woodwork, although they'd probably be shallow villains and easily defeated.

Really? Well, that's a shame, I have to admit (even if it would be fun and interesting to watch, if only to see the girls develop). I remember pretty early on in the manga they had some hints of developing what happened to Olivie when the Empire fell, but I guess that must have been dropped.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

And yeah, I agree; technically Vivio defeated Einhart first. Unless there is some rule where you aren't technically defeated until you hit the ground, so a midair counter-strike is allowed.

Well, it wasn't illegal enough for the tags that were recording the damage to call foul, and the match was recorded as a draw, so it must have been legal according to the DSAA rules. If I were running things I would have ruled Einhart's final strike to be invalid and declared blue team the winners, but hey, not my rules.

From what I understand, Tsuzuki has already said Vivid isn't going to have much of a plot.

Kind of a shame, even though I suspected as much. I like slice-of-life well enough, but I felt there were places they could go with Vivid, even while still keeping it a lighter story.

[Comartemis]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Kind of a shame, even though I suspected as much. I like slice-of-life well enough, but I felt there were places they could go with Vivid, even while still keeping it a lighter story.

That's what fanfiction is for.

*Resumes plotting*

[Justin_Brett]

Eh. Season 1 didn't have a very deep plot, either, all things considered but it was still very enjoyable, or we wouldn't be talking about this now. Less can oftentimes be more.

[itanshi1]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Well, it wasn't illegal enough for the tags that were recording the damage to call foul, and the match was recorded as a draw, so it must have been legal according to the DSAA rules. If I were running things I would have ruled Einhart's final strike to be invalid and declared blue team the winners, but hey, not my rules.


Kind of a shame, even though I suspected as much. I like slice-of-life well enough, but I felt there were places they could go with Vivid, even while still keeping it a lighter story.

Y'know, it would be quite a thing to do, but the new anime series rumored and all, might follow after Force. This gives him ample opportunity to delve into the ancient Belkan history and have some sort of near repeat of events before? Wouldn't the advancement of weaponry not support this? Hehe.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by 00-Raiser

I never thought of flying as a particularly advanced skill. I mean, Yuuno taught a nine year old amateur how to do it easily enough, so I don't see why the others can't just learn it. Of course it's easy to see why they don't use it even if they did know it. I imagine Subaru can reach faster speeds using her wing road than she could by flying.

If something knocked Caro off of one of her dragons, it certainly would be beneficial for her to be able to fly herself to avoid going splat

Flying doesn't seem to be that advanced, but combat flight proficiency does seem to be harder. We know for certain that Hayate and Arf are 2 fliers that are incapable of conducting themselves like fighter jets in high-speed aerial battles.

In the end, it does boil down towards having the aptitude for it, or at least, overcoming the lack of talent with long hard training ( in zero gravity chambers, all day every day ). Arf, despite going through similar training that Fate did, couldn't manage to reach the same flight magic level.

Sometimes, I can't but feel that Tsuzuki had overcommited himself to a lot of things during S1 and A's.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Comartemis

That's what fanfiction is for.

*Resumes plotting*

I don't read fanfiction any more. And, by extension, I no longer write it either.

Y'know, it would be quite a thing to do, but the new anime series rumored and all, might follow after Force.

A new anime season would be... challenging. It would either be extremely dependent on people having read/listened to the intervening mangas and soundstages (which, face it, lots of Nanoha fans have not done), or have to spend a large amount of time recapping. Unless it builds off the movie, which I have not seen (and if discussions of the manga for it are anything to go by, I would not like).

[Kaijo]

Originally Posted by itanshi1

This gives him ample opportunity to delve into the ancient Belkan history and have some sort of near repeat of events before?

This is pretty much what I expect. There's probably going to be a bit more about the history between Olive and Ingvalt, intermixed with tournament stuff. In a way, the only real antagonists, villains and plot battles will take place in the past.

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

A new anime season would be... challenging. It would either be extremely dependent on people having read/listened to the intervening mangas and soundstages (which, face it, lots of Nanoha fans have not done), or have to spend a large amount of time recapping. Unless it builds off the movie, which I have not seen (and if discussions of the manga for it are anything to go by, I would not like).

Not really. One can follow Force easily even if they've only ever watched the 3 anime seasons. Can almost follow Vivid, too, with the sole exception of Ix. I didn't listen to SSX before reading Vivid and Force, and about the only thing I didn't know, was who this Ix person was. I just figured she'd come back up again in the plot.

But I'm betting Force will be animated, once they are close to being done with the story.

[Gundam Meister]

Originally Posted by Gundam Meister

As their been any translation on Nanoha's Fortress Mode weapon

sorry for asking again

[aers]

No. Everyone who translates such things is busy.

[Gearhead]

One of the things Vivid really is great for is showing us how Midchildian society itself is put together. How does one cope with a child who may very well be able to fly? How do you teach children to handle this kind of power responsibly and without harming themselves?

I don't care if there's no big-bad. The 3 chapter trip down to the river taught us more about life in Dimensional Space than 3 seasons of the animated series.

[al103]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Well, it wasn't illegal enough for the tags that were recording the damage to call foul, and the match was recorded as a draw, so it must have been legal according to the DSAA rules. If I were running things I would have ruled Einhart's final strike to be invalid and declared blue team the winners, but hey, not my rules.

I think spells that give "fuck you" messages after user is dead is common enough in "real life" of Nanohaverse for tournament rules include them. And anyway - something from defeated player started before (s)he was defeated should count if his/her teammates are still active... so question is why it shouldn't count when teammates are not active.

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Kaijo

Not really. One can follow Force easily even if they've only ever watched the 3 anime seasons. Can almost follow Vivid, too, with the sole exception of Ix. I didn't listen to SSX before reading Vivid and Force, and about the only thing I didn't know, was who this Ix person was. I just figured she'd come back up again in the plot.

But I'm betting Force will be animated, once they are close to being done with the story.

Well, one of us misinterpreted something, and I suspect it was me... The comment that a new series "might follow after Force" made me think follow chronologically. Anything that has both Force and Vivid as backstory is going to need some hefty recapping. But if "follow after" just means it'll come out when the Force manga finishes, that's something else entirely. As you said, Force can be read with little-to-no knowledge of anything outside the three anime seasons. If it isn't a series that builds off of Force and Vivid, it will be just fine.

I think spells that give "fuck you" messages after user is dead is common enough in "real life" of Nanohaverse for tournament rules include them. And anyway - something from defeated player started before (s)he was defeated should count if his/her teammates are still active... so question is why it shouldn't count when teammates are not active.

Once an entire team is disabled, the round is over, and a team being disabled happens when the last active member receives a disabling hit (or so I would have expected it to be). Thus the round would have ended as soon as Vivio landed the strike against Einhart.

Now, I suppose there could be rules that you haven't won until you've not only defeated all the opponents but also survived all their attacks. That leaves the possibility for them to set up delayed spells or other such things that last even after the person is taken down, and you can't win until you've dealt with them as well.

One of the things Vivid really is great for is showing us how Midchildian society itself is put together. How does one cope with a child who may very well be able to fly? How do you teach children to handle this kind of power responsibly and without harming themselves?

I don't care if there's no big-bad. The 3 chapter trip down to the river taught us more about life in Dimensional Space than 3 seasons of the animated series.

Don't get me wrong, I like that. I'm one of a very few people I know who actually enjoyed the training episodes in Strikers, just for that sort of reason. I would also like for the story to go somewhere plot-wise, but I'm hardly planning on giving up reading even if it doesn't. I LIKE seeing how the "ordinary" lives of these people play out.

[DezoPenguin]

Originally Posted by Random Wanderer

Once an entire team is disabled, the round is over, and a team being disabled happens when the last active member receives a disabling hit (or so I would have expected it to be). Thus the round would have ended as soon as Vivio landed the strike against Einhart.

Now, I suppose there could be rules that you haven't won until you've not only defeated all the opponents but also survived all their attacks. That leaves the possibility for them to set up delayed spells or other such things that last even after the person is taken down, and you can't win until you've dealt with them as well.

I think the latter is more likely. Remember that this exchange wasn't a "fighting tournament" but a "mock battle"--and a battle isn't won if the enemy just happens to die a couple of seconds before you do, so it's likely the rules would reflect that.

[itanshi1]

Originally Posted by al103

I think spells that give "fuck you" messages after user is dead is common enough in "real life" of Nanohaverse for tournament rules include them. And anyway - something from defeated player started before (s)he was defeated should count if his/her teammates are still active... so question is why it shouldn't count when teammates are not active.

Haha, I think we aren't thinking this through. Some games count daamge on attack impact then add damage upon impact with the ground.

[Kaijo]

Maybe they were using the Earthbound HP system, so Einhart's life was just ticking down and thus she was active until it hit 0. =)

[00-Raiser]

Originally Posted by itanshi1

Haha, I think we aren't thinking this through. Some games count daamge on attack impact then add damage upon impact with the ground.

I'd go with this. It was said earlier if your lp dropped below 100, you're rendered unable to move (like Einhart after being hit by Nanoha), so the fact that Einhart was able to get that kick in shows she still had enough life. The rest probably went away when she hit the ground, or maybe she got hit with the recoil?

Einhart used Struggle! XD

Anyways, the whole last bit kinda doesn't fit right, since I don't think Vivio should have been able to get so many hits in on Einhart like that. Considering how their last battle went, and how they've both been improving, Einhart should still be at a higher level. Maybe it was because Einhart was weaker because she had less lp?

EDIT: Then again, it took one kick from Einhart to take Vivio out, while it took Vivio several blows to take out Einhart

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by itanshi1

Haha, I think we aren't thinking this through. Some games count daamge on attack impact then add damage upon impact with the ground.

No, they just fell. Falling over from standing would not do sufficient damage to take Einhart down from above 100 to 0.

[Gearhead]

We've also seen the curious effect of delayed hits going off when Vivio and Einhart fight one another before. Perhaps one of the tricks of the Strike Arts (and Kaiser Arts, and whatever the hell Quint used) is the ability to stick a 'delayed' attack spell on someone?

Maybe stick a spell against their personal shielding or barrier jacket that goes off after a few moments.