(L) Shokugeki no Soma [Manga]

[Skaddix]

I think Erina deserves her seat. Grandpa didn't seem to hand out seats just for family members. I mean Alice is also a Nakari and she didn't get a free seat. Or special treatment against Souma.

I think you could make a case for Alice since the reason she lost to Souma is because his dish was essentially more creative in using the unique properties of Bento Boxes. But yeah Souma, Hayama and Ryou are the only ones pushing E10 level for sure. Which is part of the reason I am confused about why they even need to use E10 members after splitting the rebels into 4 groups. This group has Souma at least. Unless they split Alice and Ryou and even then that should still leave one group without a legit challenger to an E10 who is potentially ranked higher then Hayama. I mean I assume Eizan is going to fight one group. That still leaves 2 up in the air at minimum. I mean lets get real Polar Star is all scrubs outside of Souma and Megumi. So really if they want to add some stakes they need to send some of those scrubs home because I just can buy them all winning.

I don't think seating level is necessarily precise in terms of power level. Because its so hard to challenge an E10 member to get a seat. There is no way to force them to fight you. You have to issue formal challenges and the like. This isn't a combat Shonen where you can just pick a fight by throwing punches or beating up their buddies. I mean Rindou could totally be more powerful then Eishi. If anyone is a Durant its Eishi. Guy is such a Beta.

[Sixth]

The whole power level of elite 10 had thrown out to the window the moment Azami took over. He seems more interested to replace those competent cooks with someone who are loyal to him rather than actually good in cooking.

[Skaddix]

Well we cant say that yet. We don't know who the other 2 members he added were. Adding Hayama isn't exactly picking a scrub. Now the non E10 grunts he has working for central are trash. Competent Cooking is more for the scrubs not good enough to Challenge for the Top. I don't think Azami gets any votes if he was going to force all the E10 who voted for him to only cook how he wanted. My reading is those at the top get to add their input into what gets cooked and how. Those who aren't follow the rules.

[night_sentinel]

Originally Posted by Skaddix

I think Erina deserves her seat. Grandpa didn't seem to hand out seats just for family members. I mean Alice is also a Nakari and she didn't get a free seat. Or special treatment against Souma.

I'm actually not disputing the fact that Erina deserve that E10 seat. Goodness knows, that the manga hammered that fact several times early on.Besides, with the recent revelations Granpa might actually be leery of giving Erina more responsibility and duty since she's apparently drowning in them since childhood so I see no danger of Granpa giving Erina an E10 seat because of favoritism. What I'm actually wondering if Erina deserves a higher rank than the lowest seat?

Originally Posted by Skaddix

I think you could make a case for Alice since the reason she lost to Souma is because his dish was essentially more creative in using the unique properties of Bento Boxes. But yeah Souma, Hayama and Ryou are the only ones pushing E10 level for sure. Which is part of the reason I am confused about why they even need to use E10 members after splitting the rebels into 4 groups. This group has Souma at least. Unless they split Alice and Ryou and even then that should still leave one group without a legit challenger to an E10 who is potentially ranked higher then Hayama. I mean I assume Eizan is going to fight one group. That still leaves 2 up in the air at minimum. I mean lets get real Polar Star is all scrubs outside of Souma and Megumi. So really if they want to add some stakes they need to send some of those scrubs home because I just can buy them all winning.

This is one of the reason why I'm wondering actually. Current storyline pits the E10 against the main cast. And if Erina is supposedly the lowest of the "real E10" (not the one chosen to fill the gaps) then we will be having problems. Since we are using her as a barometer and that meant everyone in the" real E10" is stronger than her.

On the other hand, the story has already given several indicators that Erina's rank might possibly higher than indicated. From the current E10 we actually been shown with some cooking feats like Kuga (number 8) and Eizan (number 9), Erina (number 10) actually feels to be the more formidable opponent? On the other hand, Tsukasa (number 1) seems to deserve his seat.

So yeah. I was wondering what are the chances given the light shed on Erina's personality by the current chapters that she just didn't bother climbing the ranks yet.

[Skaddix]

Well part of the reason its hard to climb is its hard to get someone to accept a challenge. Even as an E10 member why would you take a challenge from a lower member?

But yes I think Erina could be better then she is actually ranked. I totally think she crush Eizan for instance.

[GDB]

Originally Posted by night_sentinel

Since you guys are talking about the E10. How precise is the seating number powerlevels?

It's precise only at the time that multiple people receive their seats at the same time, and only for those people (so basically, when the year ends and the third years graduate). Any time after that, the seats MAY shift based on actual skill, but higher seats do not have to accept a challenge from a lower seat.

[DragonOsman]

Originally Posted by night_sentinel

I'm actually not disputing the fact that Erina deserve that E10 seat. Goodness knows, that the manga hammered that fact several times early on.Besides, with the recent revelations Granpa might actually be leery of giving Erina more responsibility and duty since she's apparently drowning in them since childhood so I see no danger of Granpa giving Erina an E10 seat because of favoritism. What I'm actually wondering if Erina deserves a higher rank than the lowest seat?




This is one of the reason why I'm wondering actually. Current storyline pits the E10 against the main cast. And if Erina is supposedly the lowest of the "real E10" (not the one chosen to fill the gaps) then we will be having problems. Since we are using her as a barometer and that meant everyone in the" real E10" is stronger than her.

On the other hand, the story has already given several indicators that Erina's rank might possibly higher than indicated. From the current E10 we actually been shown with some cooking feats like Kuga (number 8) and Eizan (number 9), Erina (number 10) actually feels to be the more formidable opponent? On the other hand, Tsukasa (number 1) seems to deserve his seat.

So yeah. I was wondering what are the chances given the light shed on Erina's personality by the current chapters that she just didn't bother climbing the ranks yet.

I think that what Skaddix said about Erina is correct. She likely deserves a higher seat, but can't get it because it's not easy to challenge a higher seat and have the person accept. That and Erina is the youngest in what you called the "real Elite 10". Everyone else were either 2nd years or 3rd years. I'm sure they were also worried about losing their rank to an underclassmen in the case that she beats them.

[Skaddix]

Yeah there is like Zero Incentive to take a challenge as a Third Year. You are about to graduate might as well ride the wave.

[Sixth]

This is why old Elite 10 system is BS. Seezaemon should have organize an event such as "Elite 10 competition/tournament" every 3 months or 6 months.

Champion will have to defend their ranking, and others will fight diligently for their ranking.

In this way, we can gauge the accurate power level for them. Just look at Eizan, he may be weaker than Erina but as long as he keep declining Erina's challenge, he can hogging the 9th seat for himself until he graduate or rank up while Erina just have to wait those 3rd year graduated to rank up.

Even in competitive video game, Grandmaster have to defend their rank every day or else they will kicked from the Grandmaster league once they went inactive or got sloppy.

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by sixth

this is why old elite 10 system is bs. Seezaemon should have organize an event such as "elite 10 competition/tournament" every 3 months or 6 months.

Champion will have to defend their ranking, and others will fight diligently for their ranking.

In this way, we can gauge the accurate power level for them. Just look at eizan, he may be weaker than erina but as long as he keep declining erina's challenge, he can hogging the 9th seat for himself until he graduate or rank up while erina just have to wait those 3rd year graduated to rank up.

Even in competitive video game, grandmaster have to defend their rank every day or else they will kicked from the grandmaster league once they went inactive or got sloppy.

this!!!!!!!!

[DragonOsman]

Yeah, but aside from that, Senzaemon was way better as Headmaster than Azami. Azami's methods are making Tootsuki sink to rock bottom and below. Senzaemon's case was the exact opposite.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Yeah, but aside from that, Senzaemon was way better as Headmaster than Azami. Azami's methods are making Tootsuki sink to rock bottom and below. Senzaemon's case was the exact opposite.

Well, there is no denying that Azami's way is pure trash because it was based on favoristim and how good was your boot-licking technique, but it doesn't mean that we should overlook Sienzaemon's system.

Senzamon's way was meant to be actively promoting competitive nature among the Tootsuki's chefs, so it was really mind-boggling that he didn't make the the whole Elite 10 more competitive as it should be. What's kind of rule was that when those Elite 10 can easily refuse or decline any challenges from other students just to defend their seat. Eizan was the best example here. It was clear that he got sloppy and not longer suitable to be Elite 9, but because of Senzaemon's rule, Eizan can continue hogging his seat while Erina who is clearly superior than him had to continue holding her current seat.

For me, the ideal system should be something like this:

-Battle among elite 10 every 3/6 months.

-The lowest elite 10 seat has no right to refuse to challenge for the seat from the winner of whatever event/election or top student of the class. After all, the school should give those top student a chance to aim for the Elite 10 spot.

[DragonOsman]

Um, that's a double-post of the exact same thing minus the last sentence in the above one. Delete the first one, please. Consecutive posts one after the other by the same poster are not allowed on forums.

Anyway, yeah, you're right. But the reason Senzaemon made that rule could've been mainly to limit Shokugekis for Elite 10 seats between an Elite and a non-Elite. He may have thought it could out of hand otherwise. Though if that's the case, he should've at least allowed Shokugekis between the Elites themselves for the seats.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

Um, that's a double-post of the exact same thing minus the last sentence in the above one. Delete the first one, please. Consecutive posts one after the other by the same poster are not allowed on forums.

Anyway, yeah, you're right. But the reason Senzaemon made that rule could've been mainly to limit Shokugekis for Elite 10 seats between an Elite and a non-Elite. He may have thought it could out of hand otherwise. Though if that's the case, he should've at least allowed Shokugekis between the Elites themselves for the seats.

Didn't realized that I had double posts.

Indeed. I guess the writer didn't put much thought on it. He probably think it was cool that have 10 untouchable antagonists for the protagonists to overcome, but he forgot this kind of things don't really work well on the sport/cooking genre.

[DragonOsman]

The Elite 10 themselves aren't antagonists, though, technically. They only became that way after Central came to power in Tootsuki. Once Central is defeated, the Elite 10 will go back to normal and everything will be fine. Even Rindou is only doing this because it's interesting and she wants some entertainment before she graduates.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

The Elite 10 themselves aren't antagonists, though, technically. They only became that way after Central came to power in Tootsuki. Once Central is defeated, the Elite 10 will go back to normal and everything will be fine. Even Rindou is only doing this because it's interesting and she wants some entertainment before she graduates.

I doubt everything will go back to status quo if he Central was removed from the Tootsuki. There is no way Corrupt 6 can remain as Elite 10 member. They were either got defeated and replaced by Erina and her armies or Senzamon will remove them with his own hands due to their betrayals.

As for Rindo, even for her amusement, doesn't change the fact that her actions were extremely selfish and irresponsible that leads a lot of problems to other students. PSD was nearly got destroyed and all those talented chefs were soon (or nearly) got expelled from Tootsuki not because they failed the test fair and square, but for not being yes-man to Azami.

[DragonOsman]

The "Corrupt 6," as you call them, will graduate soon anyway. Punishing them will probably be pointless.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

The "Corrupt 6," as you call them, will graduate soon anyway. Punishing them will probably be pointless.

Pretty sure Nene, Eizan and Hayama will not graduate soon as they are only year 1 and year 2. Humilitating and traumatizing those corrupt 6 will do it if you asking me.

[DragonOsman]

The Corrupt 6 only consist of the Top 6, though. Hayama and Eizan aren't in the Top 6. I'm not sure about Nene, though.

[Sixth]

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

The Corrupt 6 only consist of the Top 6, though. Hayama and Eizan aren't in the Top 6. I'm not sure about Nene, though.

Eizan, Nene, Momo, Rindo, Tsukasa and Somei. 6 elite 10 that siding with Azami, thus Corrupt 6.