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2012-06-11, 18:51 | Link #1262 | |||||
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I'm not reading the manga, but it's interesting if that's what it's alluding to. Since we've gotten no such allusions in the anime, I'm curious about whether the anime and manga might once again end up different. Quote:
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2012-06-11, 20:20 | Link #1265 | |
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If we're talking about difference in tone between the original and Ao, it happens with a lot other series too, even during the middle of the run. Just to name a few, fate stay night and zero, even if it's technically a prequel, gundam zz and char counterattack, arguably gurenn lagann first haf and 2d half, and it also don't make them bad sequel(in fact, fate zero and cca is generally regarded the better one title). Last edited by kuroishinigami; 2012-06-11 at 20:34. |
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Your analogies are off though. Return of the Jedi is a continuation of the Star Wars story, not a sequel, and things were still in flux as the story had not been settled. Luke, for instance, was not together with Leia in one film and just not in the next, so that's an issue of waiting for something you hope will happen, rather than something that had already been settled, like Renton and Eureka. And X-men: The Last Stand...well, that's not exactly a film I'd say other works should aspire to Last edited by Xagzan; 2012-06-11 at 22:06. |
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2012-06-11, 22:34 | Link #1267 |
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To everyone in general: Beware of what you wish for. Eureka and Renton may get reunited, and then get killed off in the same 3 minutes like a certain super robot anime...
Considering that a director filmed an entire movie just to kill Kirk, I can see an anime being made solely to hand the torch to the next generation. And notice how BONES like to mess it up then make up for it (FMA) or make a hit then mess it up (everything else)... The tarot are saying bad things.
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2012-06-11, 23:24 | Link #1268 | |
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No matter how many hint given by the writer, whether the author decides to realize the hint or not is up to the author since it's just hints, and it doesn't make the continuation good/bad because of that reason. After all, a couple that get teasing moment a lot during the story that makes the audience thinks"just get together already" might not end up together, and the story might still be great even when that happened. It's like saying, "I saw a blind man running toward a cliff, so he must have fallen on the cliff.". You disregard the chance that someone saves him from the cliff, or the blind man suddenly realizing there's a cliff ahead and stop running. Just because all the evidence suggest something doesn't mean that a completely opposite things happening is impossible, unless the thing being suggested already happened. Yea, I agree that rotj is bad analogy since I can't think of anything else lol. How about gurrenn lagann ending which I won't spoil here? It's quite similar in that the ending's tone is very different in tone with all the hint they drop during the show, but it hapenn during the ending in gurenn lagann while it hapen in a time skip here(which might also be elaborated in future episodes) Last edited by kuroishinigami; 2012-06-11 at 23:35. |
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2012-06-11, 23:43 | Link #1269 | |
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And I think some people got the wrong idea with my blog and some of my earlier posts. I wasn't a fan of the first series, but I think it's fine. It's just really flawed.
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What you say would just end up being bad writing. Even more bad writing. Quote:
And once a work has been made public, how it's viewed does not belong exclusively to author anymore. And no, this isn't off topic, this is directly related to AO. Come on, mods. Quote:
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And even then all of this is a strawman fighting against the problems you think people have with Ao. In my eyes, the disconnect with the source material is just another part of confusing and not well-consturcted narrative of the show. I would've put up with a lot in Ao if it didn't bore me to tears. And hey, first 3 or 4 episodes didn't! Quote:
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2012-06-12, 05:11 | Link #1273 | |
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If we're talking about directing and narrative of Ao being worse than E7, or how there's no tangible relation to E7(although I personally feel the existence of Eureka and scub coral is enough tangible relation for me) although I personally disagree with that, I can concede with that since it's an extremely subjective matter, but attacking Ao just because Renton and Eureka doesn't end up like what you and some other people think they should(without any official confirmation from the author) is just something I can't agree with. |
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2012-06-12, 06:37 | Link #1274 |
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Well for one we can't even really speak of a singular "author" when it comes to E7.
The two shows are written and produced by different people. And while they share some of the staff, we know what that some of the staff can do when left alone - again I direct you at Kyoda's own brainchild. It's basically another writer coming over and doing whatever with mind product of other people. Don't mind if I do judge it. |
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You and Reckoner are a testament to what I'm talking about, neither of your arguments come off as constructive criticism just baseless whining about how the show isn't what you wanted to the point where you actually question it's legitimacy as a sequel no less. |
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2012-06-12, 20:55 | Link #1276 |
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Sequel or not, even if we look at AO as a series by itself, I believe it is severely lacking in a cohesive sense. There really is no discernible reason for actions that certain characters take and the introduction of Truth has done nothing but cause even more confusion to the point where the show is almost unwatchable.
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2012-06-12, 21:32 | Link #1277 |
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What actions have no discernible reason behind them? Truth may be chaos incarnate, but that's his thing. The other characters have seemed perfectly reasonable thus far.
There's nothing incoherent about it, either. It is confusing, but that's because we don't know the motivations behind certain characters. Why is Truth a psycho? Where is the Scub coming from (which is fairly obvious but as yet unaddressed)? They're not going to be answered all at once. As it moves on, more questions are answered. This kind of storytelling is nothing new, not to E7 or to any form of media.
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2012-06-12, 21:47 | Link #1278 | |
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However, this doesn't absolve it from my other criticisms which are based solely on this work alone. The reason I haven't talked about this as much is because E7 was also a flawed show when it came down to it, but it was what I felt about it that made it special to me and that's why I have only talked about that. So on top of these issues I have which are mostly just feelings, here's what I feel Eureka 7 Ao has done wrong (And much more egregious errors than the first series in the beginning stages IMO). Uninspiring execution of monster of the week format Most of the story so far is contingent on battling these "g-monsters." The first one we saw in this story wreaked havoc on Ao's island and was the reason he started piloting. He piloted, despite the natives distreatment of him, to protect the island from the havoc the destruction around them. So far so good. However, after these initial scenes each g monster has progressively looked less threatening. They all look exactly the same, and aren't human so there is no real dramatic tension in the sense that there isn't any sort of war being fought with other humans. There isn't a battle of ideals or anything, it's just protecting humanity from a bunch of block monsters floating around and destroying crap, but never causing lasting damage to the main cast even psychologically. Furthermore, the entire plot basically revolves around Ao protecting people from these G-monsters who aren't menacing so the story as a result just feels lacking. NGE was another monster of the week show, but it was a post apocalyptic scenario and there were deep introspective issues going on to balance out the plot and provide very interesting things outside the fights. There was real tension and horror. The execution comparatively in Eureka 7 Ao just doesn't compare. Ao isn't going through deep introspective issues or the like which could provide intellectual satisfaction, nor are the monsters menacing enough to warrant any real sense of tension or urgency in the plot. It's just a bit a generic and not very gripping. Character Development... Where? I like Ao himself. Sure great. He's gotten some development and that's good. I find Fleur herself OK as well, she's gotten the second most development, fine. Who has Ao really interacted with that much at generation Bleu besides Fleur? Oh... No one. This show has hardly provided much meaningful character interaction with Ao between other members of generation Bleu besides Fleur. Sure maybe the show likes to show a lot of these g monsters and politics on the side with some conspiracies, a bit more focused on some plot, but it's heavily forgetting the human side of the story by not giving that much great character interaction. I'm just not terribly attached to them because they don't slow down and give us more episodes like episode 8 (Where you actually get character exposition but that again only between Fleur and Ao). Plot is great, but if you can't give a damn about the characters in it, it doesn't really work IMO. The Truth is just retarded Sorry this guy is just dragging the shown down for me. His manner of speech and dialogue just feels cheesy. His introduction to the show felt completely random and jarring. He hasn't really added anything worth caring about in the plot except for his decision to kidnap Naru so I guess Ao has a reason to fight him. His method of fighting is ridiculous, a guy who can blow things up with the snap of a finger in a show like this seems overly silly. I am just not feeling him. He may have a more clear purpose later down the line, I expect this and will wait for it, but his introduction and characterization were pretty random and cheesy. The fact that he's a major force in the movement of the plot of this show now is a bit disheartening to me. --- Anyways those are things I specifically have issue with this show and are the reasons I felt it's been declining fast since episode 3 (first 3 episodes I thought were excellent).
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2012-06-13, 03:39 | Link #1279 |
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Well, the latest episode gave us more hints on what Secrets are. They immediatly knew that the Scrub Coral was a fake and in retaliation it started attacking the Japanese who were dumbfounded by its sudden change in prorities. Since before they always went after Scrub Corals and usually ignored humans unless they got in the zone. This thing didn't even care about the zone stuff and went straight after them, guess it was severely ticked off over being tricked with a fake even if the Japanese thought it was the real deal.
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I had enough of love triangles in mecha pilots for once. Sure it adds drama, but it doesn't happen that often. A team functions much better when there aren't as many emotional tangles to navigate through.
Besides, Fleur has eyes for the leader of the 3 Stooges. I give kudos to anime direction for not forgetting the guys in the background!
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