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qtipbrit · 2008-04-03, 01:23

Well, I decided to take a break from four hours of psychology and power ballads to cast my vote, but it seems the site is down?

Or it may just be me.

Psieye · 2008-04-03, 01:33

Ain't just you, but I'd pass it off as another temporary instability.

minhtam1638 · 2008-04-03, 02:11

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Originally Posted by qtipbrit92

Well, I decided to take a break from four hours of psychology and power ballads to cast my vote, but it seems the site is down?

Or it may just be me.

*temporarily awake for five minutes*

If it's one to thirty seconds, I'm publishing something. If it's more than one minute, than either you should be in Vegas or it's not me that is the problem.

I talked to the Weebly Administrator, and he said that they are currently moving some data to another server, so some of the sites will be temporarily down for just about an average of about fifteen minutes. Since I have a lot more pages than the average Weebly site, they took thirty on mine.

KholdStare · 2008-04-03, 02:13

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Originally Posted by alphastickmania

Wow. I actually had to abstain from vote 6 times this round.

Btw, so how are the profile pics going? Which ones are left? (My Maths fail me at this moment and the past two months. Haven't done much sums for too long.)

Edit : I will come back and stalk this place again in say... two-four hours from now.

Right now we have a profile picture for most contestants, but only 24 were voted on and confirmed. At the very least, we have something for each contestant, but we're kinda waiting for more so we have a wider selection to choose from. You can go here to see which ones are still being opened for more submissions, and there should be a link on that page with the ones that are final.

Oh, and recently we've been placing more priority in editing character bios than pictures.

Fynal_Fyre · 2008-04-03, 02:27

Mainly because the profile pictures are relatively far more largely settled than the bios, IIRC.

Oh, on a side note, as for extended coverage of this particular project, we could always try setting up an anime blog, I was idly relaxing until this idea struck me, so perhaps your thoughts on this, guys?

Psieye · 2008-04-03, 02:40

That was the Tessa avatar I suggested some 30 pages ago. Eri pictures were also around there for avatar usage.

risingstar3110 · 2008-04-03, 03:17

I wait the whole day today and still couldn't vote.
Either because of technical issue or my own stupid mistakes, it seemed i will not be able to vote this round(this 's last chance for me to use internet today), unless Minhtam can somehow put my votes in -_-'

I can't wait for response, so either help me or ignore the spoiler, thank you ^^

Spoiler for My votes 03/04/08 - Go!!Left:

KholdStare · 2008-04-03, 03:33

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Originally Posted by risingstar3110

I wait the whole day today and still couldn't vote.
Either because of technical issue or my own stupid mistakes, it seemed i will not be able to vote this round(this 's last chance for me to use internet today), unless Minhtam can somehow put my votes in -_-'

I can't wait for response, so either help me or ignore the spoiler, thank you ^^

Spoiler for My votes 03/04/08 - Go!!Left:

It seems that the site has been experiencing difficulties today. First of all, can you access the voting site? If I recall correctly, the main site doesn't need to be up for you to vote, so if this works for you, go ahead and vote!

And yes, Weebly is down for maintenance for me also.

risingstar3110 · 2008-04-03, 03:48

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Originally Posted by KholdStare

It seems that the site has been experiencing difficulties today. First of all, can you access the voting site? If I recall correctly, the main site doesn't need to be up for you to vote, so if this works for you, go ahead and vote!

And yes, Weebly is down for maintenance for me also.

I could get into the voting site, but couldn't vote till you direct it to your previous post. So thank there ^^

Lucky that's i have final look before logging out (it gonna take another few days till i got my internet connect back, so using Library computer atm)

Fynal_Fyre · 2008-04-03, 03:51

Yeah, Weebly's down for maintenance over here too.

Actually, this was also why I suggested external blog coverage, weebly tends to go down a tad bit.

edit: voting page still accessible.

minhtam1638 · 2008-04-03, 03:59

Insomnia today. Not enough energy to do anything productive, too much to go to bed... let me see if I can get something done to put me to bed.

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Originally Posted by risingstar3110

I could get into the voting site, but couldn't vote till you direct it to your previous post. So thank there ^^

I'm assuming you're referring to the page that says "Click here to return to the International Saimoe League"? If you see that page, that means your votes have been submitted.

Anyways, I see Weebly's doing it full scale this time. What was the earliest time you guys have checked the website before it was down? I need to know the correct hour this started in order to give a proper time extension.

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Originally Posted by Fynal_Fyre

Yeah, Weebly's down for maintenance over here too.

Actually, this was also why I suggested external blog coverage, weebly tends to go down a tad bit.

edit: voting page still accessible.

I may have missed that suggestion a while back, but that is exactly a good idea. What you guys should do is to just post the actual voting page into your blogs so that if Weebly is down, then we can direct people to other sites so that the voting can continue.

minhtam1638 · 2008-04-03, 04:17

Also, there is a possibility that should this problem continue to persist, I may postpone matches so that there are 64 matches a day, where one character faces two people each on one day. I would like to avoid that, but the only option (at least as far as I know) is to contact the administration about what we have been doing here and figure out a solution together.

qtipbrit · 2008-04-03, 04:18

Well, here's my vote three hours and another break later:

Spoiler for Votes:

And I decided to mildly screw my psychology report and work on english.
I have an 88% in psychology right now, and it's impossible to bring it up to an A by the end of the quarter, but it won't drop down to a C unless I completely fail the midterm, so I don't need to work as hard. And it's AP, so it's weighted as an A on my GPA anyway.

qtipbrit · 2008-04-03, 04:22

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Originally Posted by minhtam2448

Anyways, I see Weebly's doing it full scale this time. What was the earliest time you guys have checked the website before it was down? I need to know the correct hour this started in order to give a proper time extension.

I checked at around 23:30 PST (6:30 GMT?) and sporadically afterwards and it was down, but it looks like it was accessible an hour earlier, so I would assume it was sometime between 5:30 and 6:30 GMT.

minhtam1638 · 2008-04-03, 04:27

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Originally Posted by qtipbrit92

I checked at around 23:30 PST (6:30 GMT?) and sporadically afterwards and it was down, but it looks like it was accessible an hour earlier, so I would assume it was sometime between 5:30 and 6:30 GMT.

2:30 PM EST? Seriously? Crap, that's three hours. This could be a problem:

The match has already been postponed to 2430 due to a minor typo on the voting page that has prevented voting. Should I add a 3 hour and 30 minute extension, that translates to 2800, which is 0400 April 4, which is... crap... Midnight on my end. And this weekend is supposed to be a crapshoot - Calculus test on Friday, worth a 1/3 of my grade (I'm expecting A+ material, but it will be hard to pull off if I'm half asleep). Not to mention Saturday's match will be postponed one hour because I have band practice that won't allow me to be there at 0000 when polls close.

There's another solution - ISML can possibly form a joint with AnimeSuki. This is a decision I've been thinking about for a while, as it is the largest English-based participating community in ISML. Now, I don't want to add to GHPro's problems, but if Weebly continues to behave like this, we're going to eventually have to move or provide an alternate solution.

Demi. · 2008-04-03, 04:34

My picks:

Spoiler:

Psieye · 2008-04-03, 04:47

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Originally Posted by minhtam2448

2:30 PM EST? Seriously? Crap, that's three hours. This could be a problem:

The match has already been postponed to 2430 due to a minor typo on the voting page that has prevented voting. Should I add a 3 hour and 30 minute extension, that translates to 2800, which is 0400 April 4, which is... crap... Midnight on my end. And this weekend is supposed to be a crapshoot - Calculus test on Friday, worth a 1/3 of my grade (I'm expecting A+ material, but it will be hard to pull off if I'm half asleep). Not to mention Saturday's match will be postponed one hour because I have band practice that won't allow me to be there at 0000 when polls close.

Why do the results need to be posted ASAP? Ok it's too late for now to find someone else to check the results, so declare vote checking etc will be delayed. Seimoe waited a whole day to get the results tallied up for each match (TSO was solo'ing the checks). There is no reason to be afraid of not getting results out ASAP. Declare in advance (read: now) that there will be a delay in counting the votes.

Now go grind on that calculus.

dejitaruNeko · 2008-04-03, 05:14

*Sigh* since I'm being prodded to post what I voted...

Not fancy list style but meh...

minhtam1638 · 2008-04-03, 05:17

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Originally Posted by Psieye

Why do the results need to be posted ASAP? Ok it's too late for now to find someone else to check the results, so declare vote checking etc will be delayed. Seimoe waited a whole day to get the results tallied up for each match (TSO was solo'ing the checks). There is no reason to be afraid of not getting results out ASAP. Declare in advance (read: now) that there will be a delay in counting the votes.

Now go grind on that calculus.

Ehh... true. Depends on how my body is physically functioning though - It tends to give way to crazy abnormal sleeping patterns, which I am desperately trying to reset. Either way, I do have to put up some BREAKING NEWS on the website so that we can get around this problem.

wontaek · 2008-04-03, 05:43

Look like we are seeing re-emergence of sympathy vote here as many voters gravitate towards the candidate with a loss when other considerations are about the same. Still, the silent majority often acts very different from the vocal minority.

2008-04-03, 01:33	Link #1262
Psieye Lore Hunter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: GMT +1 Age: 40	Ain't just you, but I'd pass it off as another temporary instability. __________________ Moe Culture Essays (my archive of my long posts); J Saimoe 2008 Wiki pages (minimialistic ASuki link library for now)

2008-04-03, 02:40	Link #1266
Psieye Lore Hunter Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: GMT +1 Age: 40	That was the Tessa avatar I suggested some 30 pages ago. Eri pictures were also around there for avatar usage. __________________ Moe Culture Essays (my archive of my long posts); J Saimoe 2008 Wiki pages (minimialistic ASuki link library for now)

2008-04-03, 03:17	Link #1267
risingstar3110 ✘˵╹◡╹˶✘ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Australia	I wait the whole day today and still couldn't vote. Either because of technical issue or my own stupid mistakes, it seemed i will not be able to vote this round(this 's last chance for me to use internet today), unless Minhtam can somehow put my votes in -_-' I can't wait for response, so either help me or ignore the spoiler, thank you ^^ Spoiler for My votes 03/04/08 - Go!!Left: ARENA 1 Abstain from vote Haruhi Suzumiya (SHnY) Hinagiku Katsura (HnG) ARENA 2 Abstain from vote Kotomi Ichinose (CL) Shinku (RM) ARENA 3 Abstain from vote Horo (SW) C.C. (CG) ARENA 4 Abstain from vote Rin Tosaka (FSN) Rena Ryuguu (HNKN) ARENA 5 Abstain from vote Teletha Testarossa (FMP) Chikaru Minamoto (SP) ARENA 6 Abstain from vote Kagami Hiiragi (LS) Nagisa Furukawa (CL) ARENA 7 Abstain from vote Suiseiseki (RM) Setsuna Sakurazaki (NG) ARENA 8 Abstain from vote Yuki Nagato (SHnY) Louise Francoise (ZnT) ARENA 9 Abstain from vote Nagi Sanzen'in (HnG) Souseiseki (RM) ARENA 10 Abstain from vote Fate Testarossa (NA) Sakura Kinomoto (CS) ARENA 11 Abstain from vote Shana (SnS) Konoka Konoe (NG) ARENA 12 Abstain from vote Sakura Matou (FSN) Eruruu (U) ARENA 13 Abstain from vote Hanyuu Furude (HNKN) Aruruu (U) ARENA 14 Abstain from vote Tsuruya (SHnY) Mikuru Asahina (SHnY) ARENA 15 Abstain from vote Tamaki Kousaka (TH) Fuko Ibuki (CL) ARENA 16 Abstain from vote Suigintou (RM) Touka (U) ARENA 17 Abstain from vote Konata Izumi (LS) Ayu Tsukimiya (KN) ARENA 18 Abstain from vote Matsuri Shihou (Sola) Mion Sonozaki (HNKN) ARENA 19 Abstain from vote Ayumu Nishizawa (HnG) Saber (FSN) ARENA 20 Abstain from vote Rika Furude (HNKN) Nodoka Miyazaki (NG) ARENA 21 Abstain from vote Tsukasa Hiiragi (LS) Tamao Suzumi (SP) ARENA 22 Abstain from vote Ryou Fujibayashi (CL) Maria (HnG) ARENA 23 Abstain from vote Mai Kawasumi (KN) Yuno (HS) ARENA 24 Abstain from vote Shiori Misaka (KN) Alice Carroll (ARIA) ARENA 25 Abstain from vote Sayuri Kurata (KN) Evangeline McDowell (NG) ARENA 26 Abstain from vote Kyou Fujibayashi (CL) Yue Ayase (NG) ARENA 27 Abstain from vote Yurie Hitotsubashi (KM) Nayuki Minase (KN) ARENA 28 Abstain from vote Sakura-hime (TC) Nanoha Takamachi (NA) ARENA 29 Abstain from vote Tomoyo Sakagami (CL) Tamaki Kawazoe (BB) ARENA 30 Abstain from vote Konomi Yuzuhara (TH) Kyon's Sister (SHnY) ARENA 31 Abstain from vote Chiaki Minami (M) Vita (NA) ARENA 32 Abstain from vote Kiri Komori (SZS) Eri Sawachika (SR) __________________

2008-04-03, 04:18	Link #1273
qtipbrit Buddhajew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Diego	Well, here's my vote three hours and another break later: Spoiler for Votes: ARENA 1 Abstain from vote Haruhi Suzumiya (SHnY) Hinagiku Katsura (HnG) Pretty obvious. ARENA 2 Abstain from vote Kotomi Ichinose (CL) Shinku (RM) After a fair bit of thought, I decided to go with Mamiko Noto instead of the doll. ARENA 3 Abstain from vote Horo (SW) C.C. (CG) Horo is overrated, but she's still definately more moe than C.C. is. ARENA 4 Abstain from vote Rin Tosaka (FSN) Rena Ryuguu (HNKN) Not much can beat Rena in pure non-loli moeness. ARENA 5 Abstain from vote Teletha Testarossa (FMP) Chikaru Minamoto (SP) Eh, I decided to go with all-around moe instead of yuri-moe. ARENA 6 Abstain from vote Kagami Hiiragi (LS) Nagisa Furukawa (CL) This one was pretty difficult too, but I went with epic blushmoe over pseudo-tsundere with twintails. ARENA 7 Abstain from vote Suiseiseki (RM) Setsuna Sakurazaki (NG) I decided that hate-voting against Suiseiseki wasn't really needed, seeing as she's not as much of a favourite as I thought, so I voted fairly on this one. ARENA 8 Abstain from vote Yuki Nagato (SHnY) Louise Francoise (ZnT) Amen to whoever said something about Louise and Yuki and rage and bored. ARENA 9 Abstain from vote Nagi Sanzen'in (HnG) Souseiseki (RM) Loli-tsundere > manspeak anyday. Except maybe Ayu/Rika/Hanyuu. ARENA 10 Abstain from vote Fate Testarossa (NA) Sakura Kinomoto (CS) Difficult magical girl matchup, but I decided to go with the one who would easily win in a fight. ARENA 11 Abstain from vote Shana (SnS) Konoka Konoe (NG) Obvious. ARENA 12 Abstain from vote Sakura Matou (FSN) Eruruu (U) Haven't seen Utawarerumono, and Sakura isn't moe at all. ARENA 13 Abstain from vote Hanyuu Furude (HNKN) Aruruu (U) ZomGzOrs Hanyuu wins. ARENA 14 Abstain from vote Tsuruya (SHnY) Mikuru Asahina (SHnY) She may be a moeblob, but moeblobs are what they are: moe blobs. ARENA 15 Abstain from vote Tamaki Kousaka (TH) Fuko Ibuki (CL) Dozo, have a vote. ARENA 16 Abstain from vote Suigintou (RM) Touka (U) Rie Tanaka win. ARENA 17 Abstain from vote Konata Izumi (LS) Ayu Tsukimiya (KN) Boku wa ugu~ taiyaki? ARENA 18 Abstain from vote Matsuri Shihou (Sola) Mion Sonozaki (HNKN) Psycho-moe loses to Mats. ARENA 19 Abstain from vote Ayumu Nishizawa (HnG) Saber (FSN) Obvious. ARENA 20 Abstain from vote Rika Furude (HNKN) Nodoka Miyazaki (NG) Loli queen of moe. After Shana. And Hanyuu. And several other characters. ARENA 21 Abstain from vote Tsukasa Hiiragi (LS) Tamao Suzumi (SP) Ashita ni Tokubetsu Special Day, Ichi- TAMAO-CHAN!! ARENA 22 Abstain from vote Ryou Fujibayashi (CL) Maria (HnG) Meido supporting character > Whatever kind of supporting character Ryou is. ARENA 23 Abstain from vote Mai Kawasumi (KN) Yuno (HS) Oh my, my Mai. ARENA 24 Abstain from vote Shiori Misaka (KN) Alice Carroll (ARIA) As said before, sick girls turn me on. That being said, I would definately vote Rika (Akiba) or Megu (from Rozen Maiden). ARENA 25 Abstain from vote Sayuri Kurata (KN) Evangeline McDowell (NG) Ahaha, bwitch. ARENA 26 Abstain from vote Kyou Fujibayashi (CL) Yue Ayase (NG) The tsunderekko in zettai ryouiki takes it. ARENA 27 Abstain from vote Yurie Hitotsubashi (KM) Nayuki Minase (KN) Faito dayo, Kanon girls! ARENA 28 Abstain from vote Sakura-hime (TC) Nanoha Takamachi (NA) Obvious. ARENA 29 Abstain from vote Tomoyo Sakagami (CL) Tamaki Kawazoe (BB) Vote based on the fact that I would like to borrow Tomoyo's breasts and razor. And I didn't quite feel Tamaki's moe from the few episodes of Bamboo Blade I saw. ARENA 30 Abstain from vote Konomi Yuzuhara (TH) Kyon's Sister (SHnY) Pedo chooses loli in a bag. ARENA 31 Abstain from vote Chiaki Minami (M) Vita (NA) I didn't know whether or not to vote Vita, since It looks like she's moe-er than Chiaki-sama, but I don't know for a fact. ARENA 32 Abstain from vote Kiri Komori (SZS) Eri Sawachika (SR) Ehh, blonde Yui Horie ojou-sama tsunderekko in twin tails beat the epic "minaide" hikikomori. And I decided to mildly screw my psychology report and work on english. I have an 88% in psychology right now, and it's impossible to bring it up to an A by the end of the quarter, but it won't drop down to a C unless I completely fail the midterm, so I don't need to work as hard. And it's AP, so it's weighted as an A on my GPA anyway.

2008-04-03, 04:34	Link #1276
Demi. Ass connoisseur Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Age: 37	My picks: Spoiler: ARENA 1 Abstain from vote Haruhi Suzumiya (SHnY) Hinagiku Katsura (HnG) Despite being a favorite character of mine... Down with Haruhi I say! ARENA 2 Abstain from vote Kotomi Ichinose (CL) Shinku (RM) GoGo the Underdog. ARENA 3 Abstain from vote Horo (SW) C.C. (CG) Horo is <3 ARENA 4 Abstain from vote Rin Tosaka (FSN) Rena Ryuguu (HNKN) Tough choice but going to have to support one of the few tsundere I like. ARENA 5 Abstain from vote Teletha Testarossa (FMP) Chikaru Minamoto (SP) Tessa. <3 ARENA 6 Abstain from vote Kagami Hiiragi (LS) Nagisa Furukawa (CL) Went with Kagami and I'm not even sure why... ARENA 7 Abstain from vote Suiseiseki (RM) Setsuna Sakurazaki (NG) Suiseiseki Fighto! ARENA 8 Abstain from vote Yuki Nagato (SHnY) Louise Francoise (ZnT) Ugh, I dislike Louise so much. Dominatrix loli ftl~ ARENA 9 Abstain from vote Nagi Sanzen'in (HnG) Souseiseki (RM) I don't even remember who I voted for. Maybe thats a sign of my lack of interest. ARENA 10 Abstain from vote Fate Testarossa (NA) Sakura Kinomoto (CS) Sakura is certainly moe, but she is inferior moe compared to supreme moe Feito-chan. Everyone is. :3 ARENA 11 Abstain from vote Shana (SnS) Konoka Konoe (NG) Eh, Konoka is a goner... ARENA 12 Abstain from vote Sakura Matou (FSN) Eruruu (U) Eruruu is so cute. <3 ARENA 13 Abstain from vote Hanyuu Furude (HNKN) Aruruu (U) I think I voted for Aruruu... Was a tough choice. ARENA 14 Abstain from vote Tsuruya (SHnY) Mikuru Asahina (SHnY) Don't like Tsuruyas personality. ARENA 15 Abstain from vote Tamaki Kousaka (TH) Fuko Ibuki (CL) Don't recall who i voted for. T_T ARENA 16 Abstain from vote Suigintou (RM) Touka (U) A first victory for Gin-sama~ ARENA 17 Abstain from vote Konata Izumi (LS) Ayu Tsukimiya (KN) My dog is moe'er than Konata, srsly. She is a cool character though, just not moe.. imo atleast. ARENA 18 Abstain from vote Matsuri Shihou (Sola) Mion Sonozaki (HNKN) Mion is niceee ARENA 19 Abstain from vote Ayumu Nishizawa (HnG) Saber (FSN) Saber is cuteee ARENA 20 Abstain from vote Rika Furude (HNKN) Nodoka Miyazaki (NG) Niipah~ ARENA 21 Abstain from vote Tsukasa Hiiragi (LS) Tamao Suzumi (SP) Tsukasa may not be a great character, but she is certainly moe. ARENA 22 Abstain from vote Ryou Fujibayashi (CL) Maria (HnG) Meido Maria is MOE~ ARENA 23 Abstain from vote Mai Kawasumi (KN) Yuno (HS) Abstained, I think. ARENA 24 Abstain from vote Shiori Misaka (KN) Alice Carroll (ARIA) Lost cause, GG Alice. ARENA 25 Abstain from vote Sayuri Kurata (KN) Evangeline McDowell (NG) Goth-loli-Vamp FTW ARENA 26 Abstain from vote Kyou Fujibayashi (CL) Yue Ayase (NG) Abstain ARENA 27 Abstain from vote Yurie Hitotsubashi (KM) Nayuki Minase (KN) Abstain ARENA 28 Abstain from vote Sakura-hime (TC) Nanoha Takamachi (NA) Ultra easy choice. Ganbatte, Nanoha-chan! ARENA 29 Abstain from vote Tomoyo Sakagami (CL) Tamaki Kawazoe (BB) Tama-chan. <3 ARENA 30 Abstain from vote Konomi Yuzuhara (TH) Kyon's Sister (SHnY) Pretty worthless character, but certainly moe. ARENA 31 Abstain from vote Chiaki Minami (M) Vita (NA) Another one of the few tsunderes I adore. ARENA 32 Abstain from vote Kiri Komori (SZS) Eri Sawachika (SR) Lastly but not least. Queen of Tsunderes, Eri. God I love her. :3 __________________ Last edited by Demi.; 2008-04-03 at 04:54.

2008-04-03, 01:23	Link #1261
qtipbrit Buddhajew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: San Diego	Well, I decided to take a break from four hours of psychology and power ballads to cast my vote, but it seems the site is down? Or it may just be me.

2008-04-03, 02:27	Link #1265
Fynal_Fyre Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2007	Mainly because the profile pictures are relatively far more largely settled than the bios, IIRC. Oh, on a side note, as for extended coverage of this particular project, we could always try setting up an anime blog, I was idly relaxing until this idea struck me, so perhaps your thoughts on this, guys?

2008-04-03, 03:51	Link #1270
Fynal_Fyre Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2007	Yeah, Weebly's down for maintenance over here too. Actually, this was also why I suggested external blog coverage, weebly tends to go down a tad bit. edit: voting page still accessible.

2008-04-03, 04:17	Link #1272
minhtam1638 Missing In Action Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bridgeport, CT Age: 34	Also, there is a possibility that should this problem continue to persist, I may postpone matches so that there are 64 matches a day, where one character faces two people each on one day. I would like to avoid that, but the only option (at least as far as I know) is to contact the administration about what we have been doing here and figure out a solution together.

2008-04-03, 05:14	Link #1278
dejitaruNeko Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008	Sigh since I'm being prodded to post what I voted... Not fancy list style but meh...

2008-04-03, 05:43	Link #1280
wontaek Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Planet Earth Age: 54	Look like we are seeing re-emergence of sympathy vote here as many voters gravitate towards the candidate with a loss when other considerations are about the same. Still, the silent majority often acts very different from the vocal minority. __________________