2011-03-31, 14:43 | Link #12841 |
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its really not about actually having 5 fully functional military ready aircraft carriers. it is about the pr of having 5 functional aircraft carriers. i doubt china actually expects to use them, the whole point is just to have them.
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2011-03-31, 17:02 | Link #12843 |
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The first two would seem to be based on the ex-Soviet carrier Varyag (50,000-60,000 ton range), while the nuclear carriers might be in the 90,000 ton range (I don't know if that means they will be a lot larger, or if the nuclear reators will just make it a lot heavier). The refitted ex-Varyag should be doing her sea trials sometime this year.
Note that the Chinese governement has acquired four aircraft carriers for study in the last 25 years. The Australian HMAS Melbourne and the ex-Soviet carriers Minsk, Kiev and Varyag. The PLAN (The People's Liberation Army Navy) has 26 destroyers and 51 frigates they could use for escorts for their future carriers. They have no cruisers, but then American cruisers are more or less destroyers other than in fuction.
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2011-03-31, 17:36 | Link #12844 |
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US economy growing faster, more productive than G7 rivals (but with one glaring trade off)
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2011-03-31, 17:40 | Link #12845 |
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WTO raps U.S. subsidies to Boeing
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...72U40Z20110331 Europeans do the same with Airbus, no ?
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2011-03-31, 17:51 | Link #12846 | |
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(Reuters) - The United States has won a "dramatic victory" in a dispute with the European Union over government support for aircraft manufacturers, the chairman of Boeing said on Thursday. A new World Trade Organization ruling shows that Boeing has received far less government aid than what was found for Airbus in a previous WTO ruling, Boeing Chairman and President Jim McNerney said at the U.S. Export-Import Bank's annual conference. "This was a dramatic victory for clarifying the rules of engagement for developing countries as they start developing products like aircraft," McNerney said. "We're very hopeful that that will help us with the Chinese, as they start supporting their efforts." |
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2011-03-31, 22:08 | Link #12847 | |
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One needs to remember that while both carriers, they were designed for different purposes. The US carriers are for power projection, to sail into a trouble spot with an airwing larger than most nation's entire airforce. The soviet carriers were designed mainly to prevent the US from using that power projection in event of war in Europe and disrupting SLoC. The soviet carriers were intended to give air cover to the ship itself while it engages a US carrier group with long range missiles. The US carriers see the aircraft they carry as the primary strike platform. As such one must wonder if it really fits into China's strategic goals. Though if they plan on using it just to get used to flight operations, we'll need to see what kind of domestic design they come up with. Though that's they're building carriers based on the Varyag seems to indicate that they think it does.
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2011-04-01, 01:13 | Link #12848 |
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It has not be confirmed if the new carriers will follow the Soviet carrier's ski ramp design or if hey will go with a flat deck. Depend on the aircraft they intend to use.
If also might be that the first three carriers will be for use in local waters or maybe even for covering operations around Taiwan (if they dare), while the two nuclear carriers will be for force projection into the Pacific. Perhaps to engage American forces farther away from Chinese waters...or even to engage in offensive operations (or relief efforts like the American carriers do in peace time). They have been practicing flight operations for some time now and will gain experiance with the Varyarg before they finish their own home built carriers. Much like the Americans gained experiance with the Langley for a small number of years before the Lexington and Saratoga were completed. I seem to recall some article about a new carrier-killer missile the Chinese are developing. I also recall the speed and range of the Americans new railgun system. From an armchair wargaming perspective, that seems like an interesting matchup.
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2011-04-01, 04:09 | Link #12850 |
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Ouattara forces fighting for Gbagbo residence
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2011-04-01, 08:09 | Link #12851 | |
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This article looks like a red herring, if not a straw man.
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2011-04-01, 08:25 | Link #12852 | |
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2011-04-01, 12:52 | Link #12857 | |
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Many Low Wage Jobs Fail To Meet Basic Needs
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2011-04-01, 13:17 | Link #12858 |
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I am surprised that this has not been posted yet.
From BBC: UN staff killed during protest in northern Afghanistan To give the short version: US pastor burns the Koran. Angry mob in Afghanistan storm the UN compound and kill its staff. Insanity is answered with more insanity.
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2011-04-01, 13:57 | Link #12859 | |
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1) Burn an organized stack of paper of which there are many many copies. 2) Slaughter human beings. Now if they'd "burned a Bible" -- I might see the equivalence. But this is the kind of madness that gives religion bad rep. Wanna bet quite a few of the UN staff weren't Christian to begin with?
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2011-04-01, 14:45 | Link #12860 | |
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