2012-09-10, 18:24 | Link #1341 |
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Casting Wien and Taichi as frogs was made me smile, not to mention it felt very fitting for them.
I knew something bad was coming from all the foreshadowing in the previous, but I didn't think it'd be as serious as the school closing down. At least everyone seems to have found their groove now. I can't wait to see what they'll come up with. While I don't think it's reasonable to stop the project at this point, they should probably leave behind a few happy memories before the whole thing ends and they graduate. All-in-all a decent buildup episode, and I don't expect less from my feel-good series of the current season.
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2012-09-10, 18:38 | Link #1342 |
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LoL, I could have watched an entire episode of Sawania, Konacchine, Wakanalia and the frogs brothers perfect analogy for the brothers, btw
Oh, I knew the fantasy scene wasn't Sawa's fantasia immediately after seeing her outfit, absolutely not her fashion. I liked, as usual, as Konatsu can't feel the pressure she is putting into Wakana, while Sawa, feeling it, mitigated it. All in all a very nice episode, nothing much happened, but at least Tanaka graduated from his childhood to his early teens, an important step for a kid, a giant leap for a frog I can't say I felt much the issue of the school closing down for the festival, but when they showed as the boys and the girls were taking the leave with that awkward feeling of having nothing to say to each others I felt a bit of nostalgia, like it foreshadowed how things will end. Not that I'm expecting something different, and I'm glad Tari Tari is loyal to his principles, but still.
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2012-09-10, 19:03 | Link #1343 |
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It's interesting how this is the 2nd P.A. Works anime original in as many years that will (likely) end on the note of a significant shutdown - In this case, the shutdown of a school.
While Tari Tari Episode 10 was certainly a more colorful, exciting, and action-packed episode, I actually think that it's Episode 11 that showcases Tari Tari truly taking the anime into deeper realms. Put another way, it's with Episode 11 that I'm starting to see an overarching thematic drive that ties a lot of threads together. More on that in the spoiler space below (be warned, it is pretty long). Spoiler for Extensive Tari Tari thoughts:
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2012-09-10, 19:33 | Link #1344 | |
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In short, it was Konatsu's initiative to be heard that made everything possible in the first place, and her attitude towards life is something of a model for everyone else to strive for. The great thing with her is that she lives entirely within the present, content to simply have a fun time with everyone.
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2012-09-10, 19:36 | Link #1345 | |
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Nostalgia fits with Tari Tari overall, and Sentai does have a long legacy, but I'd say its contemporary presence is going as strongly as ever, and that goes doubly so for its sister show Kamen Rider. I know this is a very small part of a very large post, but as an active member of the online toku fandom, I feel this is something I can lend my voice to. That I want to lend my voice to, and I'm feeling a little overlooked. |
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2012-09-10, 20:32 | Link #1348 | ||
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As I made clear in my last post on this thread, I think that the importance of honoring the past while living in the present is a consistent theme in Tari Tari. I really don't think that Tari Tari is arguing that one should dispense entirely with the past. In fact, such an idea runs completely contrary to what Wakana is doing right now, imo. Quote:
Gundam is still around, of course, with many very recent offerings (such as Gundam Age and Gundam Unicorn). But Gundam is a franchise built upon the shoulders of giants, and to a great extent it remains defined by those giants (the name "Char Aznable" has never really been eclipsed within the Gundam world). Sentai heroes are much the same - Yes, they're still going very strong, and they thankfully continue to capture the imaginations of kids to this day. But they speak to cultural heritage and the past as much as they do current culture. And within the context of Tari Tari, I think it's this nostalgia aspect that looms largest. Sentai heroes kind of brings the past into the present, and it becomes further modernized some. I think this reflects Tari Tari's view on the past - Of honoring it, but also modernizing it.
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2012-09-10, 20:32 | Link #1349 | |
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Yeah, I thought so. No, seriously. Wakana was the only one who didn't give up on the club when even Konatsu did. If someone has become Mahiru's personification, that's Wakana herself, and she was the one who brought the club together this time, closing the circle that started when Konatsu brought her in.
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I'm actually glad they're so different though since it shows that they were held together by music despite their differences. It would also mean that the songs they'd come up with would be different, emphasizing it as a means of self-affirmation.
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2012-09-10, 22:27 | Link #1351 | |
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Konatsu's similarities with Mahiru are mostly superficial IMO. From starter, their personalities are not that similar. I just can't imagine Mahiru being as confrontational and forceful as Konatsu is, for instance. In fact Mahiru was probably a little meek sometimes, if her interactions with Nao are any indication. Again, in that respect she's more like Wakana. And then there's the one thing that both Wakana and Konatsu share with Mahiru, which is that they both realize they can't do music alone. Nao even had a Mahiru flashback when Wakana mentioned this, remember? All in all, I think Wakana has always been a lot like her mother, but we can only see it now that she's free of her worries and is letting her real personality show.
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2012-09-10, 22:40 | Link #1352 | |
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I mean, wasn't the previous all episode about Wakana learning to express herself through her music, as opposed to simply worrying about what her mother would have done?
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2012-09-10, 23:02 | Link #1353 | |
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But she was worrying because the song is supposed to be a connection to her mother. This only shows that her trauma isn't going to disappear completely just like that, which is to be expected considering all she went through. Ironically, once she got past the initial hurdle, she basically started to become Mahiru's spitting image.
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2012-09-10, 23:23 | Link #1354 | |
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Well, this really is up to debate. While it is apparent that their respective roles run parallel to one another, I'm really not seeing the personality similarities between their characters. It seemed to me that Mahiru was more outwardly expressive. Wakana, on the other hand, seems more introspective and subdued. Of course, maybe it's in my head to begin with.
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2012-09-10, 23:48 | Link #1356 | ||
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And the scene where she was writing the song early in this episode,she was behaving just like her mom,I'm sure that's why her father smiled. Quote:
Haha yeah that was great,it's just a detail but Tari Tari is full of small things like that and in the end those add up.
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I have to say that I've rarely seen a character developed as well and as smoothly within an one cour anime as what we've seen with Wakana. Quote:
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In Konatsu's case, her development is mostly about gaining more determination over time. This is something that Kazu-kun brought up several pages back. With Wakana, I think we saw the progression from... Tied Down to the Past (still unable to move on from her mother's passing) to... Trying to Dispense With the Past completely (by selling off the piano and getting rid of that little craft that her mom gave her) to... Allowing the Past to inform the Present (i.e. finishing the song her mother wanted to do with her) but yes, while living in the present. Wakana goes from one extreme to the other and then settles into a good balanced position. Now, some small notes on this episode that I didn't get to in my big, lost post. 1) Yeah, Sawa definitely had the most eye-catching scenes in this episode. In complete seriousness, she's a very graceful dancer. As nice as it was to see Wakana become much more like her mom, I think that Sawa stole the show a bit in this episode. 2) I liked how Tanaka was given some added focus this episode, since I think he's the character that needed it the most. I liked how we saw a bit of a call-back to the Sawa/Tanaka hints from a much earlier episode. Before it looked like Sawa was showing subtle interest in Tanaka - Now it looks like Tanaka is showing obvious interest in Sawa. It's certainly too late for Tari Tari to have a full-fledged romance, but it might be nice if Tanaka asks Sawa if she'd be interesting in going out with him, and for that to be part of the conclusion/aftermath of this anime. 3) The bit at the beginning was great. Konatsu's script seems like a lot of fun, and I definitely like the character designs that she's come up with. I think the guys being frogs was just meant to be comedic, and it worked for me as I did laugh a bit at it. Of course, there could be an added twist there - There is the old and famous fable of a frog turning into a Prince if kissed. So there shows another way that Tari Tari might incorporate a touch of romance into this anime before it's all said and done! 4) One thing I forgot to mention before - This school has always been presented as very clean, pristine, and picturesque. Downright beautiful for a school, really. I think this adds to the impact of it likely closing down now.
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I don't think Wakana is so much similar to her mother, the fact that now she is cheerful doesn't erase the fact that she is strong-willed and deliberate. Obviously they have similarities in their motions, smiles but not in personalities, not so much. I also keep seeing Konatsu as as Wakana's mother without the genius and many years younger.
I can't see Wakana saying I'm everybody's mom, but I do can see Mahiru saying that
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This is a quirky irreverence that's very much Konatsu's alone. Mahiru was playful, but not in that sense IMO. I don't see her doing this as I don't see her telling the boys of her club they're going to be frogs in a play while the girls get proper roles. Mahiru strikes me as a more gentle figure than Konatsu, at least in approach. Then again, we mostly only get to see her as an adult. I'd really like to see more of her as a student to see how she really was then.
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Don't confuse easygoing and cheerful for weak-willed. Mahiru was anything but weak-willed. How many weak-willed people do you think could stare death in the face as well as Mahiru did? That's something that's struck me about Mahiru in all of the flashback scenes in which she's talking about her upcoming death - She handles it all with incredible grace and dignity. Mahiru wasn't an old woman, she was just in her 30s or 40s. It would be understandable for Mahiru to be filled with anger, resentment, depression and even some panic over life ending for her at a relatively young age. And yet in her final days, weeks, and months, Mahiru was the very picture of serenity, and continued to care deeply about her daughter and focus on her daughter's future. Also, we shouldn't forget about how the V-P stressed how the Choir was really Mahiru's baby. That also suggests that Mahiru was a person of strong will and deliberation. So if Wakana's key traits are now cheerfulness, strong-will and deliberation, then she is very much like her mom.
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