(L+CR) Boku Dake ga Inai Machi - ERASED [Manga comparisons forbidden]

[aohige]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Noein is full of shots of Hakodate, and the tram to the top of the mountain appears repeatedly throughout the series. I immediately thought of that show when the scene you cite appeared in ERASED.

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Do you mean this ropeway?

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It was pretty neat, albeit a short ride.
I believe Satoru and other kids were at the top of the observatory, which is where I took these.
It was gosh darn cold this time of year.

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by SeijiSensei

Satoru's seeming indifference to any threats to his own life is probably just a consequence of having a 29-year-old mind in a ten-year-old body. I thought he seemed to behave with reckless abandon for a child confronting a dangerous situation, but his adult self would have been less fearful. And, of course, one underlying theme of the series is the importance of "yuuki."

On the other hand, Satoru was rather trusting of Yashiro from the start, so even his adult self was not as clear-eyed as we might expect. His ten-year-old self was not suppressed after Revival, so his actions often represented a complex mix of child and adult thoughts and feelings.

Actually, I'd think it the other way around. A 29-year-old man would've had both the rule and the reason for buddying up well ingrained into him, and would have seen on plenty of occasions how being alone is dangerous. At 29, it would be rather likely that a guy would realize it's dangerous to be alone outside, especially with a killer around. A kid on the other hand is more likely to be impulsive and have an inflated sense of personal ability. At that age you're more likely to feel like you can take on a bad guy or at least forget that being alone leaves you vulnerable. With less experience and more ambition and energy, there's less to encourage you to stop and think "backup might be a good idea"; an adult would be less likely to act with such reckless abandon because of experience, wisdom and a well-developed ability to think things through and control those initial impulses. I'd say it seems more like a result of the 11-year-old side of him.

[DemonneoPT]

Originally Posted by Gan_HOPE326

Except when he started blurting out stuff he was thinking without realizing it, and blushing and getting embarrassed when Kayo touched him/was close to him, and having to repeatedly tell himself he was actually 28 years old...

The show imho clearly played the angle of him being somewhat "regressing" to a childish mental state, at least partially. Either way I don't think it meant to show he was madly in love with Kayo; more like his child side had some sort of infatuation/crush on her, while his adult one was more focused on saving her (remember there's a chance he was infatuated of Kayo already the FIRST time around, when he was actually a child; it may be that his body somehow retained the instinctual memory of that feeling even when the conscience switched). Doesn't mean it was being some creepy lolicon thing... it was pretty innocent and ended up in nothing. But you can't really say it was not there at all.

And i gave a perfectly good explanation why that happens in my previous post. I do not know what the author's real intention was, but seeing the director's oppinion about the story is clear to me he only wanted to show Kayo having some cute moments (he literally said that). Satoru actually falling in love with her was never hinted, only that he was a good guy who couldn't stand to see a poor kid suffer that fate and someone who was fighting for his own life and his mother's life. His motivations were never implied to be romantic just like @ChainLegacy said. After he saved Kayo, not even once we saw him remembering her or hinting he had a broken heart by being separated from her. That is not very romantic to me...

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Boy you guys deny it all you like but Satoru did like Kayo.
While Satoru did leap his mind and memories to his younger self it did not mean his younger self's psyche disappeared. Merely it was put in the back seat.

When Satoru awoke it wasn't the one from the future that did but the young one. Future Satoru was at the back of the mind hence the drawing skill.

His time traveling merely made Satoru having a sort of Dissociative Identity Disorder.

Also we have to remember while data came from the future the hardware Satoru was working with an underdeveloped brain.

Originally Posted by Harbinger

It's also "clear" (to me anyway) that when he's in a kid's body, he's changed into a something closer to a child than a 29 years old adult.

Even when he wakes up from the coma, he's confused and "thinks" with his kid's mind. When he was in the past, he was also thinking like a child --- but with adult memories.

All of those things are crystal clear to me.

That only happened after the coma. And there was a good reason why his memories got all confused. That's because he was in coma for 15 years..lol.. as explained by the doctor.
Even if you want to believe Satoru just had a child's mind with knowledge from the future, how can you take a relationship between two 10-11 years old seriously? They are little kids..lol. That is just friendship at best. A memorable friendship given the circunstances because Satoru actually saved Kayo's life. Expecting something serious from that situation to a point where some of you raged because poor Kayo moved on with her life is just... insane xD
The only scenario it makes sense (in my oppinion) for Satoru and Kayo being together only happens if you remove the coma accident. They would grow together and only then they could actually develop a romantic relation that could last long enough for them to marry some day. I could understand shippers to rage at the coma part but none did that. The majority of them just called Kayo (and sometimes the author) a bitch, practically!

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Actually, I'd think it the other way around. A 29-year-old man would've had both the rule and the reason for buddying up well ingrained into him, and would have seen on plenty of occasions how being alone is dangerous. At 29, it would be rather likely that a guy would realize it's dangerous to be alone outside, especially with a killer around. A kid on the other hand is more likely to be impulsive and have an inflated sense of personal ability. At that age you're more likely to feel like you can take on a bad guy or at least forget that being alone leaves you vulnerable. With less experience and more ambition and energy, there's less to encourage you to stop and think "backup might be a good idea"; an adult would be less likely to act with such reckless abandon because of experience, wisdom and a well-developed ability to think things through and control those initial impulses. I'd say it seems more like a result of the 11-year-old side of him.

A 29 years old doesn't take 11 years old as his bodyguards. He tries to keep them away from danger, which is what Satoru did.

(Plus, with his revival, Satoru's faced a lot of danger alone.)

[BWTraveller]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

And i gave a perfectly good explanation why that happens in my previous post. I do not know what the author's real intention was, but seeing the director's oppinion about the story is clear to me he only wanted to show Kayo having some cute moments (he literally said that). Satoru actually falling in love with her was never hinted, only that he was a good guy who couldn't stand to see a poor kid suffer that fate and someone who was fighting for his own life and his mother's life. His motivations were never implied to be romantic just like @ChainLegacy said. After he saved Kayo, not even once we saw him remembering her or hinting he had a broken heart by being separated from her. That is not very romantic to me...

The period between Kayo's departure and his death is very short. And during that time he was focused on completing his "task". There really wasn't that much time or freedom for him to express any feelings about missing her.

That only happened after the coma. And there was a good reason why his memories got all confused. That's because he was in coma for 15 years..lol.. as explained by the doctor.
Even if you want to believe Satoru just had a child's mind with knowledge from the future, how can you take a relationship between two 10-11 years old seriously? They are little kids..lol. That is just friendship at best. A memorable friendship given the circunstances because Satoru actually saved Kayo's life. Expecting something serious from that situation to a point where some of you raged because poor Kayo moved on with her life is just... insane xD
The only scenario it makes sense (in my oppinion) for Satoru and Kayo being together only happens if you remove the coma accident. They would grow together and only then they could actually develop a romantic relation that could last long enough for them to marry some day. I could understand shippers to rage at the coma part but none did that. The majority of them just called Kayo (and sometimes the author) a bitch, practically!

Satoru had a child's mind. Read up on brain development in children, expecting anyone with an eleven-year-old brain to have the decision-making ability and impulse control of a 29-year-old is utterly ridiculous.

That said, it is also utterly ridiculous to suggest that eleven-year-olds are completely incapable of romantic feelings. I wouldn't consider them mature enough to make life decisions based on those feelings, but that doesn't make the feelings any less real. You can have true, deep friendships between boys and girls at ten or eleven that later grow into romance, and you really can have romantic feelings develop at that age that simply grow stronger with time. I'm on the fence about how strongly Satoru reciprocated Kayo's feelings and how deep her feelings were, whether it was a crush or something a little stronger. But that doesn't change that he did indeed exhibit some romantic interest in her, which is why he had to keep reminding himself to control his eleven-year-old mind on account of his 29-year-old memories. Either way, I will not stand by someone saying that children are incapable of love. They're not mature enough to make any serious decisions about that love or to engage in intimate expressions of that love (save the kissing for at least a few years), but that doesn't mean the love is any less love. It's still immature but it's all the more precious in its innocence; in short, puppy love is still love.

[SeijiSensei]

Originally Posted by aohige

It was gosh darn cold this time of year.

My daughter and I rewatched the movie Contact recently. Hokkaido looked like a forbidding place to live!

[Harbinger]

After he saved Kayo, not even once we saw him remembering her or hinting he had a broken heart by being separated from her. That is not very romantic to me...

@DemonneoPT

I do remember seeing him quite depressed after Kayo left (first scene in class I think). It doesn't mean it's love since you can also miss your friend like that --- but it shows that he's missing her, greatly.

That only happened after the coma. And there was a good reason why his memories got all confused. That's because he was in coma for 15 years..lol.. as explained by the doctor.
Even if you want to believe Satoru just had a child's mind with knowledge from the future, how can you take a relationship between two 10-11 years old seriously? They are little kids..lol. That is just friendship at best. A memorable friendship given the circunstances because Satoru actually saved Kayo's life. Expecting something serious from that situation to a point where some of you raged because poor Kayo moved on with her life is just... insane xD
The only scenario it makes sense (in my oppinion) for Satoru and Kayo being together only happens if you remove the coma accident. They would grow together and only then they could actually develop a romantic relation that could last long enough for them to marry some day. I could understand shippers to rage at the coma part but none did that. The majority of them just called Kayo (and sometimes the author) a bitch, practically!

I understand why Kayo moved on. I'm a bit sad about it since I shipped them. I think the issue is that the viewer were caught off-guard. An episode ago, our MC's fate was uncertain. It was also the only "sailing" ship (Pizza girl didn't get enough screen time to be a viable ship. It might be different in the manga, but since it's about the Anime only, it's not a viable ship).

People learned "all at once" that he was in a coma for 15 years and that the most popular (and only) ship was sunk.

Yes, Kayo has every right to move on. HOWEVER, us viewers didn't have 15 years to move on. I would have loved to have an extra scene where we see Kayo go to our MC's bed and say that she will move on.

It would have given us, the viewers, time to accept it, grief the sunk ship and move on. That's really all. It was 15 years in the Anime. It was 1 week for us.

Satoru had a child's mind. Read up on brain development in children, expecting anyone with an eleven-year-old brain to have the decision-making ability and impulse control of a 29-year-old is utterly ridiculous.

@BWTraveller

Yes, you are correct. We are who we are because of our brain. Damage the brain and we're different. Swap the brain and we're totally different.

He had a kid's brain thus he was thinking like a kid --- but with the memories of an adult.

He was closer to a kid than he was closer to an adult.

[Jan-Poo]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

A 29 years old doesn't take 11 years old as his bodyguards. He tries to keep them away from danger, which is what Satoru did.

(Plus, with his revival, Satoru's faced a lot of danger alone.)

Somehow I feel this is the kind of logic that made Satoru refuse to bring his friends with him at the hokey stadium, but I really can't see it as anything but a severely messed up logic.

In the first place the real danger comes from being alone not from going to hokey stadium. And besides there were going to be several other classmates of Satoru in that very same place anyway.

Then just because you have a mind of a 29 years old it doesn't mean to believe you have a body of one. I do not think at all that the fact that Satoru doesn't consider the danger that may happen to himself is something that any adult in his situation would do, but rather the result of Satoru's peculiar recklessness, which BTW he has shown in 2006 as well.

Finally if the logic was "I don't want those kids to get near a possible target of a serial murderer", the he just shows an inconsistent behavior. He had entrusted Kayo several times to his friends, to Hiromi first and then Kenya, and then he entrusted Aya to Kazu.

[monir]

Originally Posted by aohige

Do you mean this ropeway?

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It was pretty neat, albeit a short ride.
I believe Satoru and other kids were at the top of the observatory, which is where I took these.
It was gosh darn cold this time of year.

Show off!

[Stark700]

Episode 12 (finale):

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Still a lot of dialogues in the finale but hmm, I guess it worked its way with the execution.
Glad to see Kenya inspiring Satoru though as a friend even in the present timeline. The final confrontation between Satoru and Yashiro is definitely intimidating but glad to see Satoru who was steps ahead.

The ED song though...and well, I actually kinda like this ending. Thrilling story overall, still really wish it was longer but quite a ride.

[Dysprosium]

Reeeeeeeeeee..

Spoiler:

I wished they could've dedicated more episodes to make the pacing and content flow better.

Will say more once the subs are out.

[Gan_HOPE326]

Originally Posted by DemonneoPT

And i gave a perfectly good explanation why that happens in my previous post. I do not know what the author's real intention was, but seeing the director's oppinion about the story is clear to me he only wanted to show Kayo having some cute moments (he literally said that). Satoru actually falling in love with her was never hinted, only that he was a good guy who couldn't stand to see a poor kid suffer that fate and someone who was fighting for his own life and his mother's life. His motivations were never implied to be romantic just like @ChainLegacy said. After he saved Kayo, not even once we saw him remembering her or hinting he had a broken heart by being separated from her. That is not very romantic to me...

I'm not saying we were supposed to think Satoru was "in love" with Kayo, or root for them to get together. But in multiple occasions Satoru was shown to have something of a dual nature, is all I'm saying. His mind and reason were a 29 year old's, but occasionally he had some childish instinctual reactions that surprised even himself. In a sense, being in his kid's body was affecting him, and I think this was the impression we were meant to take away from it - after all, our environment strongly affects who we are as well. That's all I meant.

[Wade Wilson]

Holy shit my sides are in orbit right now, what a stupid way to finish this series, I mean, all this episode was awfully done with that nonsensical way to capture Yashiro.

At least they managed to fit Airi ending and everything is ok right now, the first 10 episodes were awesome in every way but episode 11 was dissapointing and episode 12 was just a bad joke.

Overall Boku Dake was one of the best series of the season and to me is a 7.5-8/10 just because the las 2 episodes were poorly written and badly done. OP and ED perfects in every way, specially for the changes introduced the last episodes.

And here, the bigges laugh of the day.

Spoiler for LMAO:

[Dysprosium]

Originally Posted by Wade Wilson

At least they managed to fit Airi ending and everything is ok right now

How is it ok? You find it ok, after what was omitted in the previous episode?

And here, the bigges laugh of the day.

Spoiler for LMAO:

Can't exactly fault them, after what happened last week.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Wade Wilson

At least they managed to fit Airi ending

It comes out of nowhere in the anime, but I don't mind. Satoru deserved a chance to get his own happiness and that exactly what he got with that fate meeting.

Originally Posted by Wade Wilson

And here, the bigges laugh of the day.

Spoiler for LMAO:

Now this scene was just nonsense.

[Wade Wilson]

Originally Posted by PSY.Gangnam

How is it ok? You find it ok, after what was omitted in the previous episode?

Can't exactly fault them, after what happened last week.

I mean is ok for me since I like AirixSatoru ship but yeah since ep 11 this series was going in the wrong direction.

[DemonneoPT]

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

Satoru had a child's mind. Read up on brain development in children, expecting anyone with an eleven-year-old brain to have the decision-making ability and impulse control of a 29-year-old is utterly ridiculous.

I though i was watching a MC with superpowers in a supernatural plot. If he can do things such as time travel, of course i expected him to maintain his 29 years old brain functions in his 11 years old body..lol. If the author can violate the laws of physics, i guess he can also change the reality to what happens to the brain. And like i said before, Satoru's inner monologues are proof of that with his blushings being just a comic relief resulted from the weird situations the MC ended up with. Your interpretation may also be the right one of course, but it's the least probable to me. I guess something in between like @Gan_HOPE326 suggested is probably the best hypothesis.

Originally Posted by BWTraveller

That said, it is also utterly ridiculous to suggest that eleven-year-olds are completely incapable of romantic feelings. I wouldn't consider them mature enough to make life decisions based on those feelings, but that doesn't make the feelings any less real. You can have true, deep friendships between boys and girls at ten or eleven that later grow into romance, and you really can have romantic feelings develop at that age that simply grow stronger with time. I'm on the fence about how strongly Satoru reciprocated Kayo's feelings and how deep her feelings were, whether it was a crush or something a little stronger. But that doesn't change that he did indeed exhibit some romantic interest in her, which is why he had to keep reminding himself to control his eleven-year-old mind on account of his 29-year-old memories. Either way, I will not stand by someone saying that children are incapable of love. They're not mature enough to make any serious decisions about that love or to engage in intimate expressions of that love (save the kissing for at least a few years), but that doesn't mean the love is any less love. It's still immature but it's all the more precious in its innocence; in short, puppy love is still love.

Look to what i posted before. You even said their "love" would be "immature" aka strong friendship between two little kids (like i said)... you really think those feelings would be enough for Kayo waiting for him and risking being alone all her life? Shipping little kids and expecting them to act like adults with strong romantic feelings makes no sense to me, especially in an anime that tried to realistically portray human feelings/drama. Plus, i can understand Kayo being strongly connected to Satoru, but he never showed the same to her. All his actions were the same (being some sort of an hero) to any of the characters in the show, including Airi for example. According to your logic, he is also in love with Airi? Just because he spent more time in saving kayo's life that does not necessarily mean he has to develop the urge to fuck her and become a lolicon (admiting he has his adult brain) or develop "puppy love" towards Kayo (admiting he is just a kid with memories from the future). That is what i was trying to say. A guy can save a girl without second intentions (or developing second intentions during the process ). Of course that never happens in full romantic stories, but since this is not one of those plots, maybe my interpretation is not that so farfetch.


Man, time to watch the last episode and leave the forum before i get spoiled..LOL

[aohige]

I was hoping Yashiro would have set the roof on fire and leap off it himself.

Because you know, reasons.

Also, their conversation totally sounded like gay lovers having a confession.

[Seihai]

I got baited into thinking there was a chance for Satoru x Misato for a few moments but then got another surprise when Airi appeared in the end. Satoru's much deserved happiness/coincidence/fate. Yashiro went down rather quickly though. Then again the series never had any major climatic moments if you take away the cliffhangers. Overall a great series with an excellent atmosphere and beautiful OP&ED songs.

[blakstealth]

After last week's episode, I think the finale wrapped up decently. I wouldn't have wanted it any other way...except for Airi coming back in the end. There should've been more of her. :P