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zeniselv · 2012-07-30, 15:06

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Originally Posted by totoum

here's something fun

Here's the Hanasaku Iroha ANN page take a look at who's credited with "backrounds"

PA Works seems to be getting back on the right track when it comes to designs

ok that just makes my argument much more valid

and i wouldt judge those redgirl designs before the anime key visuals
anyways, i dont think we could say JC does bad animation, they have done some crappy things but in general they are good by industry standards, they usually fail adapting the stories, and for me they usually fall to convey the emotion and motive of the story/characters.

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-07-30, 15:09

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Originally Posted by zeniselv

they usually fail adapting the stories, and for me they usually fall to convey the emotion and motive of the story/characters.

...which is mostly the job of the writer, and it's important to note that the writer they have here has never written any J.C. Staff shows, and doesn't work for J.C. Staff...

/thread loop

maximilianjenus · 2012-07-30, 15:23

I feel like it's summer again.

If someone thinks that my post was exagerated it's because I also think that the difference in quality between jc staff and kyoani has been seriously blown out of proportion, I could understand if it was deen but jc staff is above average and definitely better suited than studios like ufo table, satelight, etc...

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Fair enough. To be technically correct we can call it the 1.5 sides of the fence. Still the whole point is that this thread has become a super inflated byzantine discussion about a product that doesn't even exist. It's kind of a fair point to make comments on the released posters and the trailers that are out so far, but to be fair plenty of studios change the artstyle/animation detail between the teaser release and the actual episode release, so even that point is moot to an extent.

So if this was a religious/atheist discussion I'd be the apatheist who believes the discussion shouldn't exist in the first place.

yeah, that's the fun part of this, peopple are comparing the non existing, kyoani version of little busters to one pv.

OceanBlue · 2012-07-30, 15:30

Not to mention that this

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

...which is mostly the job of the writer, and it's important to note that the writer they have here has never written any J.C. Staff shows, and doesn't work for J.C. Staff...

/thread loop

can apply for most of the production staff behind LB. At least wait for an episode or two before making silly comparisons. I know I'm waiting before I compare Yamakawa Yoshiki to Nagai Tatsuyuki

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Edit: On the other hand, hopefully people don't think that the only reason people would have to be dissatisfied with the PV is because they're comparing it to what they imagine KyoAni might have done.

totoum · 2012-07-30, 15:31

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Originally Posted by zeniselv

ok that just makes my argument much more valid

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Just to be clear,I wasn't trying to invalidate your point

And for red data girl I thought those were animation designs (since they look different from the ones on the novel cover) but maybe I'm mistaking

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/thread loop

It'd been a while,I was starting to worry

orion · 2012-07-30, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Okay well...would you care to tell us why you cried exactly?

Well here are the trailers so that people can see for themselves.

Spoiler for for size:

So this trailer looks close to the Air trailer in animation quality imo.

zeniselv · 2012-07-30, 15:58

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

...which is mostly the job of the writer, and it's important to note that the writer they have here has never written any J.C. Staff shows, and doesn't work for J.C. Staff...

/thread loop

certainly a good writing has a huge impact on how the story turns overall, but its also important the way they potray a scene and good music direction, at least in the music department its other thing i trust JC,

Kamiorika · 2012-07-30, 18:11

I just think people should keep realistic expectations. This PV is, in my opinion, really well done considering it's from JC Staff. But if you go into Little Busters knowing it's by JC Staff and are expecting Hyouka-quality, then you will be disappointed.

Tyabann · 2012-07-30, 18:34

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Originally Posted by orion

So this trailer looks close to the Air trailer in animation quality imo.

And Air is from seven years ago.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2012-07-30, 18:38

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

yeah, that's the fun part of this, peopple are comparing the non existing, kyoani version of little busters to one pv.

This is no different than if The Hobbit wasn't made by Peter Jackson in NewZealand with Weta. And as such the fans spending the rest of the days wondering what the film could have been.

We are not comparing the LB PV with something the doesn't exist; we are comparing the LB PV with current KyoAni PVs.

No, we will not be able to imagine what a full KyoAni LB series would be like. But we can imagine the PV. They make insane PVs that are simply not equalled anywhere.

tsunade666 · 2012-07-30, 18:42

I have read (mostly scan) through 80+ post since I last post but the thing can be summarized into JC Staff is bad news and other studio is better and they should do it.

And its only a pv yet >_>

Is it possible to get a sub group before the anime airs?

Arturia Polaris · 2012-07-30, 18:47

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Originally Posted by tsunade666

I have read (mostly scan) through 80+ post since I last post but the thing can be summarized into JC Staff is bad news and other studio is better and they should do it.

And its only a pv yet >_>

Is it possible to get a sub group before the anime airs?

I'm betting my right hand that Little Busters! will be one of the most subbed animes in recorded history.

Mazui, UTW, Doki, etc will surely be on the job.

Arturia

maximilianjenus · 2012-07-30, 19:59

yeah, a friend told me "I just hope LB gets a good sub" and I was like smiling at his innocence.

Kaioshin Sama · 2012-07-30, 20:17

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

yeah, a friend told me "I just hope LB gets a good sub" and I was like smiling at his innocence.

Yeah considering there's still some shows that I've been wanting to see for the longest time and would jump at the chance to buy in my own language let alone have served for me I can't say I'm having an especially easy time feeling Little Busters fans apparent pain here. I hope I don't have to pull old man hear and talk about how things were when i first started anime and how often I counted my blessings.

leokiko · 2012-07-31, 03:24

I hope Crunchyroll gets this, actually. It would give me more reasons to pay them.

Westlo · 2012-07-31, 05:17

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Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

We are not comparing the LB PV with something the doesn't exist; we are comparing the LB PV with current KyoAni PVs.

No, we will not be able to imagine what a full KyoAni LB series would be like. But we can imagine the PV. They make insane PVs that are simply not equalled anywhere.

Just Smh @ this entire post. You're comparing a Promo Video of a TV series produced by J.C Staff to a Promo Video of an Animation Company promoting themselves. Isn't the difference between them obvious? There's no TV series for those 2 KyoAni PVs you linked to air in 2 months time where the animation level would be expected to match that. A realistic comparison would be the PVs for Hyouka not to mention the previous KyoAni/Key teamsups (that Orion did), not 30 seconds of KyoAni, showing off.

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Originally Posted by zeniselv

they usually fail adapting the stories, and for me they usually fall to convey the emotion and motive of the story/characters.

Exactly, people acting like this needs godlike animation doesn't exactly give me much confidence in the characters or plot of the show... and I'm more concerned in that regard when it comes to J.C Staff... though it's not like they haven't had some adaptions that were spot on, even to the point of putting Hayate season 1 fans off with the difference from the prior adaption.

Bambasa · 2012-07-31, 06:41

Well, their new PV doesn't look like there's going to be any problem animation-wise. Although we still don't know what kind of adaptation will it be. By the way, has anyone mentioned anything about the length of this series? That would be a better measure to judge its quality.

sona-nyl · 2012-07-31, 07:57

Key said that it was going to be long so we'll get at least 24 episodes I assume. Or possibly more.

rulfo · 2012-07-31, 09:49

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Originally Posted by orion

Well here are the trailers so that people can see for themselves.

Spoiler for for size:

So this trailer looks close to the Air trailer in animation quality imo.

Wow... I actually forgot how awesome Kanon really looked like overall. That was some sweet background work and lighting.

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Originally Posted by Kaioshin Sama

Does someone want to explain to me why this is such a tough project that needs a tremendous amount of talent to satisfy the fans? I mean I know that the Key fanbase is incredibly hardcore and demanding on a level I've never really seen before, but why is it that the production efforts behind Little Busters must and I mean MUST be at this certain level that IMO looks almost unattainable. I just can't help but feel that people are being completely ridicuous about this. How is it that people are so absolutely certain based off of one teaser trailer. I'm genuinely trying to get an idea of what people are going off of and would appreciate an answer that doesn't involve the angle of "because Kyoani is not doing it".

If you were present when it got announced, I'm pretty sure you'll notice that a lot of the fans are pissed about the foreboding news for the reason that JC Staff's reputation hasn't been too good lately. Their quality in work wobbles so much in their recent works that it's so glaring. Which begged the question for a lot of the fans, "Why J.C. Staff and not other studios with a good track record?"

Now if you're gonna make that huge generalization and call it fact then we've got to thank that general notion of KyoAni fan's of yours.

Triple_R · 2012-07-31, 10:31

I just watched the LB! Trailer.

On the whole, I think it's pretty good.

The characters look great, in pretty much every way. The bright colors and lighting affects displayed is very good. JC Staff is clearly putting real effort into this work.

Now, my one concern with the trailer is that parts of it look a bit too... streamlined, maybe? Basic, maybe? It's hard to put my tongue on it, but there's something about the backgrounds (and especially sky shots) that makes it feel like it's missing something to me.

But ultimately, that's far, far less important than getting the characters and overall visual style right, and I think JC Staff nailed that.

Honestly, it looks pretty good to me.

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tsunade666 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: In my room	I have read (mostly scan) through 80+ post since I last post but the thing can be summarized into JC Staff is bad news and other studio is better and they should do it. And its only a pv yet >_> Is it possible to get a sub group before the anime airs? __________________ To A certain Lonely Hero

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sona-nyl Actually an Alligator Join Date: Nov 2008 Age: 28	Key said that it was going to be long so we'll get at least 24 episodes I assume. Or possibly more. __________________

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Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	I just watched the LB! Trailer. On the whole, I think it's pretty good. The characters look great, in pretty much every way. The bright colors and lighting affects displayed is very good. JC Staff is clearly putting real effort into this work. Now, my one concern with the trailer is that parts of it look a bit too... streamlined, maybe? Basic, maybe? It's hard to put my tongue on it, but there's something about the backgrounds (and especially sky shots) that makes it feel like it's missing something to me. But ultimately, that's far, far less important than getting the characters and overall visual style right, and I think JC Staff nailed that. Honestly, it looks pretty good to me. __________________

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Kamiorika Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	I just think people should keep realistic expectations. This PV is, in my opinion, really well done considering it's from JC Staff. But if you go into Little Busters knowing it's by JC Staff and are expecting Hyouka-quality, then you will be disappointed.

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maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	yeah, a friend told me "I just hope LB gets a good sub" and I was like smiling at his innocence.

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leokiko Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012	I hope Crunchyroll gets this, actually. It would give me more reasons to pay them.

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Bambasa Lazy to the extreme Join Date: Feb 2012	Well, their new PV doesn't look like there's going to be any problem animation-wise. Although we still don't know what kind of adaptation will it be. By the way, has anyone mentioned anything about the length of this series? That would be a better measure to judge its quality.