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2012-08-15, 12:46 | Link #122 |
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I still find it confusing that people call Tobi's jutsu "Kamui". Especially since we already know a jutsu named "Kamui". Referring to two jutsu with the same name is... confusing. Just because they follow the same principle doesn't really justify giving them the same name.
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2012-08-15, 15:42 | Link #123 | |
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Tobi has also Obito's eyes, and my assumption is that he doesn't need to swtich to MS mode to use his version of kamui. And the reason he doesn't switch is because then he would consume more chakra and maybe even get damaged by overuse of MS jutsu. Conserving chakra is still important in battles, even Naruto switched back from kyuubi mode to normal state several times, and he also used simple rasengan in kyuubi mode instead of rasenshuriken. Why not using rasenshuriken all the time, the only reason can be to not waste chakra. Of course in case of Naruto it's usually not because he has some smart chakra amount management but because he runs out of chakra and has to switch back to weaker jutsu. |
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2012-08-15, 21:06 | Link #126 |
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Age gap withstanding Tobi could easily be more than one person with someone replacing Tobi when Tobi got too old.
Obito is wearing a unisex garb, nothing says only men get to wear it. Also, Tobi never told anyone their gender. Everyone just assumed Tobi was a man. |
2012-08-16, 05:11 | Link #129 |
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i don't see the minato fight as evidence against obito theory. we know that tobi is partly zetsu's body, so I don't really see why him being the stature of an adult when he fought minato is a problem with obito theory. since zetsu rebuilt most of his body then why not just start out in adult form? it's not like his body was going to grow from then on, it was mostly destroyed.
his voice(s) are male. we've also seen a semi-significant portion of his face which looks very male to me. it sure as poop ain't rin at least. not to mention that kishi's record of writing female characters suggests that tobi could not be female. back when we hardly knew any akatsuki members' IDs, kishi could have done anything as far as evil/twisted/cool female villains go and we only got 1 out of 10 and konan was basically a milktoast follower character. she did a couple interesting things, but nothing compared to the rest of akatsuki. he just doesn't write interesting women roles |
2012-08-16, 10:57 | Link #131 | |
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2012-08-16, 11:42 | Link #132 |
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I disagree that naruto is like dbz and kakashi is like piccolo. Whats cool about naruto is that there are many factors other than I got my power level is over 9000 so I win.
All the kage level nin can basically hang with eachother (from the manga not from fan perspectives). But that being said... Kakashi should be one of the main characters who dies in this war. Pain arc was too early, but now his death would not only be timely and make this war significant, but the pre-death flashbacks would sum up the whole obito/rin stuff. Btw what happened to that purple haired Anbu chick from part 1?
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2012-08-16, 19:28 | Link #134 |
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i reread a different translation of the chapter, and the way that tobi and kakashi are talking makes it sound like he's... obito
one particular line is: "i've told you not to open your mouth so easily! you've degraded into a man who's all talk and no action" then after some more talking kakashi is shown having an emotional reaction, with gai being concerned about him. but then naruto jumps in... so my first question is when has tobi told kakashi not to open his mouth before? i honestly can't recall... however, has obito ever done so? because i recall him and kakashi always arguing as kids, but the exact text and content is vague. also, although it's just translation, why does tobi say he's "degraded" as if he was proud of what he was before and now he's something worse... sounds like obito talk unfortunately. edit: so after rereading the kakashi gaiden, there are alot of lines that seem more like obito hints, considering tobi's speeches in this chapter tobi tells kakashi not to open his mouth so easily, but ironically, obito was the one known as the big mouth who opened his mouth too easily, and minato told him he shouldn't do so. also, after obito is crushed, when he gives kakashi his eye, he tells him "i can become your eye, and from now on i can see the future" whether this is related to tobi's line about seeing reality is just up to interpretation i guess, but it would also be interesting if tobi could link himself to obito's eye and see what kakashi was doing, rinnegan style. and finally, the same way that kishi drew half of kakashi's face and half of tobi's face mimics the way he constantly drew kakashi and obito's face, as shown in ch 243, page 16 the bottom panel, as well as earlier in ch 241, pg 17 bottom panel these could all be straws that are being grasped at, because it would be no surprise for kishi to unintentionally mimic his previous work and content. OR it could be clever foreshadowing if kishi had gone back and reread the gaiden in order to incorporate some of its elements into these chapters to imply that maybe tobi has more of obito in him than just his eye
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2012-08-17, 05:53 | Link #136 |
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I think Kishi will never let Obito to appear again....
If Tobi is Obito, then all of us will prefer to let Kakashi fight his past comrade rather than let Naruto to do it... which means Naruto will stay away from this final arc... |
2012-08-17, 11:17 | Link #138 |
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what difference does it make whether it's before or after obito 'died'? tobi's knowledge of them can be explained either way. what i think is most interesting about tobi's knowledge of them is that he cares enough to mention it to them in the first place. someone like madara, izuna or one of the sons of the RS most likely wouldn't care enough about a couple random konoha jounins' personalities to even dignify their existence. just look at how madara treated the kages and they are much more important in the ninja world than kakashi and gai
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2012-08-17, 14:43 | Link #139 | |
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*Edit source: http://www.saiyanisland.com/2012/07/...urprises-left/ I agree that it feels like it is wrapping up but apparently Kishi has more in him? Lol
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2012-08-17, 16:50 | Link #140 |
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I always imagined Sasuke would be the final boss for Naruto anyway, he's pretty cemented in his ways and they are due for a rematch of the VOTE fight - only this time with Naruto as the obvious victor and Sasuke realizing he's been wrong and returning to the village
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