Character discussion - Setsuna F. Seiei

[sart]

Originally Posted by mikeabundo

Are Marina's breasts bigger in Setsuna's dreams?

your post are getting creepier and creepier.........
i guess it goes well with the icon

[Demongod86]

Originally Posted by mikeabundo

Are Marina's breasts bigger in Setsuna's dreams?

No, in fact they are probably smaller.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Originally Posted by Demongod86

No, in fact they are probably smaller.

This means that God is with him in his dreams.

[sart]

Speaking of which! The pattern in her shirt during his dream looks like a GN drive. Coincidence? i think not!

[lunarelf]

Setsuna is all a idealist

[StratoSpear]

Mr Say Yay man is kindda more mature than he looks...
-He never backs down from arguments
-Latches to his believes about Gundams
-Going against orders from people 10+ years older than him...
-Keeping his cool even when his hair is shot
-Pointing a gun at a high-authority person

This guy is pure suicidal... which makes him an ideal main protagonist.

[Julao]

A guy who is going to do almost anything for his beiliefs.........well that's my

interpretation of him................... a pure martyr...

[Realist_Classic]

So, now that the final episode of Season 1 has come and gone, did we get any closer to knowing what/who constitutes Setsuna's "double"?

[ipernorris]

Originally Posted by Realist_Classic

So, now that the final episode of Season 1 has come and gone, did we get any closer to knowing what/who constitutes Setsuna's "double"?

Char Aznable aka Graham.

[Realist_Classic]

Originally Posted by ipernorris

Char Aznable aka Graham.

Ah, thank you. I think you're right to an extent. I'm wondering if there's more ways of characterizing Setsuna's double. For most of the season, I had thought that Marina would be Setsuna's double because of the imagery shown during the first OP sequence and their interactions. His monologue during the epilogue really does confirm this connection. However, Setsuna's self-given identity as Gundam really does make Graham his counter. It's a nice touch, because at some point, Setsuna will probably have to choose between one of those two or find a way to accommodate both. His hallucination with Marina telling him that it's okay not to fight certainly alludes to that.

[nutype]

Originally Posted by StratoSpear

Mr Say Yay man is kindda more mature than he looks...
-He never backs down from arguments
-Latches to his believes about Gundams
-Going against orders from people 10+ years older than him...
-Keeping his cool even when his hair is shot
-Pointing a gun at a high-authority person

This guy is pure suicidal... which makes him an ideal main protagonist.

yeah i love setsuna because he's just fucking insane. Something I havent seen from any protagonist in a long time. That alone makes him worthwhile to watch. I have no idea what this guy is doing! very unpredictable!

-when dualing ali he tells the other pilot to get out of the cockpit and opens his own hatch and comes out. This made me fall in love with this character, bloody insane.
-an attractive girl kisses him and he shruggs her off
-incoherent gundam speech! I AM GUNDAM!! WE ARE GUNDAM!!! YOU ARE NOT GUNDAM!!!
-telling others like graham and corner that they are warped (idealist speech)


seriously this kid has so many issues I dont know where to begin. I seriously dont want to see him mature at all since he will be 4 yrs older in s2.

[Mangaka-chan]

Originally Posted by nutype

-telling others like graham and corner that they are warped (idealist speech)

I donno, I actually agree with Setsuna on his assesment of Graham in the last episode. Maybe it was the subs but what Graham was saying, that he lives to fight and doesn't give a damn what the world thinks almost reminds me of Ali. He live by his "fighter instinct" and it's that sort of impulse that causes some of the problems for the characters. Other characters like Alejandro may be motivated by greed, but Graham and Ali seem to be driven by something much more primitive and innate, though one certainly has more honor than the other.

[Akuma_Blade]

Originally Posted by DJ_RockmanX

So Setsuna's real name comes from two things:

- The Kurdish clan of the Sorans, located in the Soran region of Northern Iraq, who speak the Sorani dialect of Kurmanji Kurdish.

- Ibrahim, the Islamic prophet also known as the biblical patriarch Abraham.

And in the course of wiki'ing and googling, I discovered that Marina's last name Ismail is the Islamic name for Ishmael, the first son of Abraham and prophet of Islam.

How many more trivial religious references will surface in this series?

Setsuna idea may insipired by "Kurdish region" but Setsuna's country NOT KURDISH (true text = KRUGIS)

[Shinkouhyou]

Originally Posted by Akuma_Blade

Setsuna idea may insipired by "Kurdish region" but Setsuna's country NOT KURDISH (true text = KRUGIS)

They often change the names of countries in anime to avoid any potential political problems. Like, in the Full Metal Panic novels, the country of Belize is mentioned, but the anime changes it to Beltarube or something like that. That's why 00 has made-up country names like Azadistan and Krugis even though it's pretty obvious what real countries they're referring to. There's already been enough international issues over perceived insults to Muslim religion so they're playing it safe.

Also, I'm sure they intended to market 00 in the US from the start, and a show with Crazy Jihad Gundam Boy as the hero is probably a risky property for uptight US networks even without mentioning Iraq by name. Setsuna's pretty unambiguously Kurdish - the writers even went through the trouble of researching Kurdish religion (which is distinct from mainstream Islam) and the Kurds' difficult history with neighboring ethnic groups/countries. It's not just a trivial detail... Setsuna's real-world cultural background explains a lot about his Gundam obsession. Not only does the O Gundam resemble the major angel in Kurdish religion, but that religion (Yazidism) allows normal humans to basically be reincarnated avatars of angels. "Becoming Gundam" has a much more spiritual, less insane meaning.

[StratoSpear]

Originally Posted by Akuma_Blade

Setsuna idea may insipired by "Kurdish region" but Setsuna's country NOT KURDISH (true text = KRUGIS)

Man, my tongue twisted...! I kept on saying Kururugi!!!

"Kurdish... Krugis.... Kurugish...Wait... Kururugi!?"

[Akuma_Blade]

Originally Posted by StratoSpear

Man, my tongue twisted...! I kept on saying Kururugi!!!

"Kurdish... Krugis.... Kurugish...Wait... Kururugi!?"

http://gundam00.bandai-ent.com/setsuna.php (Bandai's official English Gundam 00 page) says "Krugis"

[Ottocycle]

Originally Posted by Shinkouhyou

Setsuna's pretty unambiguously Kurdish - the writers even went through the trouble of researching Kurdish religion (which is distinct from mainstream Islam) and the Kurds' difficult history with neighboring ethnic groups/countries. It's not just a trivial detail... Setsuna's real-world cultural background explains a lot about his Gundam obsession. Not only does the O Gundam resemble the major angel in Kurdish religion, but that religion (Yazidism) allows normal humans to basically be reincarnated avatars of angels. "Becoming Gundam" has a much more spiritual, less insane meaning.

As people say, you learn something new everyday. Thanks for the tidbit.

[kk2extreme]

if the timeline of gundam 00 is before gundam wing, heero yuy could very well be setsuna's decendant

[GuidoHunter_Toki]

Originally Posted by kk2extreme

if the timeline of gundam 00 is before gundam wing, heero yuy could very well be setsuna's decendant

Exccept for the fact that Gundam 00 takes place in a completely different universe than Gundam Wing.

[RAVNEN]

Yeah imagine Setsuna find his ancestor Wing Zero under his house, he just whacked those ms and make 0 gundam suprise.