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10: Amazing... | 6 | 14.63% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 3 | 7.32% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 7 | 17.07% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 10 | 24.39% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 7 | 17.07% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 1 | 2.44% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 3 | 7.32% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 2 | 4.88% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 2 | 4.88% | |
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll |
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2011-12-20, 21:05 | Link #121 | |
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About Grodek, I already see that he'll do whatever it takes to keep his plans going before. He's also hiding something, even to the crew. For them to be effective pieces, he has to keep something away at the same time to keep their motivations strong. |
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2011-12-20, 21:38 | Link #122 | |
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He's not evil but he's walking a very dark path and he's taking Flit along with him. I won't be the least bit surprised if he dies for his vendetta in the ultimate confrontation for Flit's arc because I honestly cannot see him walking away from this; he'd neither want nor be allowed to. Failure is not an option and, in the off chance they succeed somehow, he's a wanted/dead man to the EFF.
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2011-12-21, 00:26 | Link #123 | |||
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Awwww, I missed so much T_T...I can only imagine what fresh hell was deleted from those previous posts...
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2011-12-21, 03:09 | Link #125 |
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Frankly, I'm not sure I understand the fascination with the animation from either side of the argument. How is it either a boon or a detriment? I feel like the discussion is revolving much the same way a discussion about just how wet water is would end up going. Yes, the show has QUALITY issues but that's not an issue limited to this show and its not rampant, but aside from that? Adults look like adults, kids look like kids, and the crazy action figure toys flying through space? They look like crazy action figure toys flying through space.
Water? Its wet. I understand that its a visual medium but I do not take that to mean that it must also conform to a very specific art style, otherwise why would I have watched: Madoka, FLCL, or any other slightly off the wall show that was quite good despite of its unconventional looks. A visual media, to me, implies that the *power of the delivery* lies predominantly in the visual and, often, built upon and complimented by the other immediate sensory stimulus: the audio. This then amounts to choreography, direction, and fluidity, but not necessarily on style unless your personal taste just turns you off from the product. In the same way as one does not judge a book by merely the font used to type it. (Yes, this is how absurd this argument sounds to me right now.) If the show has good direction, good fluidity, and good choreography, then from the purely critical angle of saying "Its in the visual media then it must be X" it will satisfy all critical X. If you now want to break down the show and ask is the direction good, is the choreography good, etc, then feel free. I'll even agree that much of AGE has thus far not been well directed or choreographed but I'm not going to lambaste the show merely for its choice of font. The reason I'm giving this show its due chance, though, has nothing to do with Gundam as I could careless about the cover of the book, and everything to do with the glimpses of brilliance I've seen in how it has as a visual media, handled the direction & choreography of certain crucial scenes for certain characters, and because I happen to find some of the characters and their roles interesting. They have shown to me that they can make powerful scenes, they have also shown me that they can fail at it miserably. I'll wait until the end to actually give a full opinion, otherwise it's just jumping the gun and playing off personal bias.
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2011-12-21, 03:28 | Link #126 | |
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2011-12-21, 03:43 | Link #127 | |
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It will be interesting to see what the show does with this because there's a possibility for something very neat to come out of it (like breaking Flit and rendering him incapable of piloting the gundam for psychological reasons of having been a toy soldier and being traumatized by it), that would be unusual for the genre and would also be a great way (aside from just *time skip lulz*) to put the Gundam in Asem's hands.
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2011-12-21, 03:56 | Link #128 | ||
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Let me first start by saying this is the topic at hand...We log on, we talk about stuff...That's what we do... So if the animation is a topic people are talking about, the more critically intrinsic comment-makers (or people who just want to talk about this) are gonna get deep into that... I directly don't have much of a problem with it...I've always been the type to accept whatever world the anime chooses to present and from that established context then you can begin to evaluate and strip apart the skittle-colored flavorful layers that belay this visual medium... Given AGE's obtuse designs that were favorably comparable to more "kiddy" anime shows (rightly or wrongly) it creates a context for discussion...Now had AGE slapped us across the face early on and gave the audience a clash of context on this (which is negligible) I think the responses would be different... I don't know, off the top of my head I'm thinking of a show like Needless for comparison...Maybe not great but my point is early on you see $hit that betrays the animation style...A clear intent...Subjective I know, but i feel like in certain instances you can clearly make-out what they were trying to do (Appeasing the bandai execs with the designs yet still writing the show as if it has no bearing on the expressed demographic concerns, FOR EXAMPLE)... AGE doesn't appear to be doing that...Like some have mentioned it can certainly be viewed as generic in tone and story elements...SO when you take that into account, with the fact that you initially viewed the animation as "kiddy", it definitely has the potential to supersede your established view on this (Me not liking AGE's character designs, despite being someone who would accept this in most other instances)... So in this sense, the choice of font wasn't the problem...It's like, Times New Roman is pretty sweet to look at when you reading enjoyable $hit...Not so much when you're reading boring $hit... When the Bandai script writers and whoever else came out with the whole spiel about not judging it just based on the designs or kiddiness (How that's laffable and what not), that rented space in my mind...That's something that made me want to really give it a chance...To see (IMO) that those words were suspect at best and hollow at worst, it can't help but enhance the earlier opinion on the font, if you will... Quote:
I can't flush 10+ whatever years of Gundam shows shaping my mind on a 2-ply Charmin...Heh, it just doesn't work like that, so I can certainly see the divide in which we indelibly ride...
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2011-12-21, 04:29 | Link #129 | ||
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This is going to cause a sort of dissonance between us because I simply won't be able to agree with any assertion towards kiddy. Moreover the show has established, in those few moments of very good direction, that it can touch on very non-kiddy tones well and deliver effectively. (That isn't to say that only these few scenes establish this. As the other conversation I'm currently partaking in is about Flit being a toy soldier, which is hardly a kiddy theme even if its execution is thus far... poor?) Bruzar's entire climax undercut every expected cliche for kiddy (and just about all of the anime old guy says "I leave it to you hero" as he dies cliches) and he died in a way you wouldn't have expected while fighting through excruciating pain and bleeding all over. This is not the sort of delivery you'd expect from a kiddy visual media in the vain of Yugioh, Pokemon, Digimon, Bakuman, and the like. But let's just be clear, I am perfectly fine with criticizing the show for being: boring, poorly thought out, plot holed, etc, as these are all valid complaints (some more than others). It is just this strong focus on the art style and the fight over it, that's really got me baffled. Quote:
I am not flushing my experience with Gundam down any toilets but I am also not carrying over my opinions/expectations from other Gundam shows onto new ones. I face each show with a blankness of sorts in order to attempt to judge a show on its own merits not on its predecessors (such as the case of Gundam (especially one from, say, UC)) or its lack thereof (such as the case of an Anime original show of some sort (or a Gundam time line with no backing, say 00 or Age)).
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2011-12-21, 06:07 | Link #130 | |||
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2011-12-21, 06:29 | Link #131 | |||
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ok, first of all, I'm on holidays and using a laptop with a really weird keyboard. trying to eliminate all typos, but if I miss something, or type up garbage, sorry -__- I tried....
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I think a lot of people are indirectly talking about the sloppy direction etc as well when they complain about the art. And plain is a good word to describe it, hits the nail on the head. Thing is, the kids look too much like kids. I don't know, but they seem to be about 6-8 years old, definitely younger looking than for example the digimon kids and surely not 13 or what. It just feels somehow awkward to see these supposed 6 year olds hanging around on a military ships and giving advice to the adults, far worse than in other Gundam shows. Because really, they look like preschoolers, not teens. Btw, it's funny you would mention Digimon because when I first saw what Age looked like, I though of the designs in Digimon Savers for some reason. The thing with Digimon is though that it isn't trying to be about adult topics while being scripted like a kids introduction to war and peace. Same goes for pokemon, it has a style appropriate for what it is, and it's funny and entertaining within that scope. There's little fault to find with Pokemon at all, in fact it appeals to adults for being funny, and kids for being a quality kids show. Basically what wingdarkness said, and Madoka is intentionally misleading, FLCL is just Gainax being awesome. Age can't boast any of that so far, it's just Sunrise being unwise. You made a good point about Flit being a bit of a puppet as well. Hopefully that was intentionally written this way and will be explored, along with the mutinity having consequences, instead of just being bad writing, because that would be a glimmer of brilliance right there. Quote:
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2011-12-21, 12:56 | Link #132 | |||
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2011-12-21, 13:05 | Link #133 | |
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2011-12-24, 06:22 | Link #134 |
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Mm, not enough happened, and I guess Yurin's story was kinda typical, "oh nos my family is dead and I am a sad little softspoken girl" But I am a sucker for those things so what can you do? They certainly milked the moe for all it was worth.
But in any case, it really helps Flit and Yurin establish a connection with each other since they both suffered from the UE and now that Flit has found a purpose, maybe she can too. To say the least, I enjoy these kind of things. 7/10
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2011-12-24, 07:10 | Link #135 |
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I believe that not many people on this board watch it and defend it just because it's a Gundam show. Most of the shows I chose to watch, I'll watch it to the end, because there is still a chance it actually has something interesting even if the show suck, or everything isn't just as what I thought it is. I even endured all of the GSD shit until the last ep (heck, even to the "remake" final episode") just to hope thing will be better.
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2011-12-24, 12:23 | Link #136 | |
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2011-12-24, 13:47 | Link #137 |
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According the preview it seems like Yurin is a lying hussy. That little red haired boy pays a visit.
I guess she ran away from the UE because she didn't want to kill people. We know she has newtype-ish powers. She knew the UE's tactics. It's kind of obvious she is hiding something and she's been playing Flit. She wants to see the Gundam again. She wanted a friend and the truth would make them enemies. She was coaching Flit on mecha piloting when she first appeared... better than Woolf has been doing. It's pretty obvious she's UE. |
2011-12-25, 02:37 | Link #138 | |
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Though having nothing severe to fault with doesn't mean the episode is perfect and couldn't have done better. I'm sure those with reading comprehension problems will say I am mindlessly praising and/or bashing the show (At the same time nonetheless )
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