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View Poll Results: Hyouka - Episode 22 [END] Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 86 | 57.33% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 39 | 26.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 8.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 3.33% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 2.67% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.33% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 0.67% | |
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2012-09-18, 09:37 | Link #121 | |
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The logistics of this scene must have been an absolute nightmare for the photography directer, digital composition team, and digital paint people to work out. Just the simulated ghosting effect would have taken a ton of work. To create that effect, the 'ghosted' images would have to be overlaid over the normal drawings. Then would come managing the transparency level of those 'ghosted' layers for every single frame. In addition, a blur effect would have to be added for every overlay in order for the transitions to be more seamless. While all this is happening the 'normal' drawings would be proceeding as usual, which requires that all the overlays be precisely placed so that they match up with the next frames. And while they're working on all of that, they also have to make sure that the filters they are using fit properly with the paint color scheme to ensure that they mesh properly and achieve the desired effect. To call that scene "cheap" or "low-budget" without making any attempt to understand its complexity is simply ignorant. I mean really, I find that someone could so casually and off-handedly dismiss such a large amount of hard work and effort with some asinine comment like "trolling" to be incredibly insulting, and I didn't even spend a second of my time working on the show! I think it's a real shame that some people are missing the function and meaning behind all these directorial and cinematographic decisions, because clearly, Kyoani is putting in all that effort for our benefit. They're doing it so that we can not only see but really feel the emotions of these characters and their experiences. And while I can't speak for others, I myself can say that I am appreciative of every second of it. Last edited by NCP; 2012-09-18 at 09:48. |
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2012-09-18, 10:16 | Link #122 | |
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2012-09-18, 11:10 | Link #123 | |
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Character's growth meanwhile are slow but logical. You don't have that rushed relationship you usually have. In lieu of the last episode, Oreki only realised there and then that he actually liked Eru, but kept it to himself. Would you blurt out a confession out of the blue the moment you realised you like someone? I doubt it right. You'd take your time to handle your feelings first, as what both Eru and Oreki are doing. We are (were) promised by the author that Hyouka would resume until they finish school or even up to their college years, and looking at the pace of the novel that's a long way to go yet. So there is no rushing things at the moment. |
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2012-09-18, 11:27 | Link #124 |
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I want to thank Mich666 for being strong enough to lay his/her opinions out so clearly out for a group here that was obviously thinking in opposite terms. As one of those who loved the show, and especially this final episode, it was fun and beneficial to have to think about differing opinions.
That being said, the only opinion I agree with is his/her praise of Shinkai Makoto. For me, this show raised KyoAni (at least this main staff and the Osaka branch, which apparently made this show) close to Shinkai's aesthetic level. (Actually above the level of his most recent film, Hoshi o Ou Kodomo. But maybe that's just because I wasn't into that subject matter.) I also want to thank Mich666 for stimulating these wonderful replies, which are so interesting and with all of which I find myself agreeing. I love romance, and certainly would have liked a real confession, but as I rewatch and re-feel this episode, I find myself thinking this is better. Instead of a neat little package, we have the opening up of a big world.
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2012-09-18, 13:52 | Link #125 |
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The Osaka branch (Animation DO) made a couple of episodes, by subcontract (though I shouldn't really call it subcontract work since they're basically a child company of Kyoani). They did episodes 2, 7, 15 and 21 if I'm not mistaken.
I haven't watched anything by Makoto Shinkai so I won't compare, but it's certainly true that as far as photography, composition and post-processing go, Hyouka is Kyoani at its peak. Animation, not so much, I prefer K-On in the depiction of low-key expression and Nichijou for just pure raw greatness, but this series is still one of their top works, full of movement and life. It shows that they were not reluctantly assigned to adapt a popular LN for Kadokawa to cash in, but instead they (Takemoto) chose to do this out of their own will, for the most part. I think that is important in why their shows seem so polished and wonderful sometimes; it wouldn't be the same if they had to accept projects nobody on the studio wants to take just for cash. It's a very subjective and debatable perception, but it always seemed to me that Kyoani put less effort into their Key shows. K-On!, Haruhi, LS, Nichijou and Hyouka seem almost artesanal in how they are crafted, but the Key trilogy is just astoundingly beautiful in a slightly more artificial way. Perhaps I'm imagining things, but that's how I always saw it. On another topic, I'd say that Hyouka is a step up not only in photography, but in the script too. Of course a lot of the dialogue was already in the source material, but this script (helmed by Shoji Gatoh) is a very tight and precise adaption that managed to maintain a lot of nuance and subtlety (something I didn't really find in the volume I read of the original novel) without losing substance. Something truly interesting here is that two scriptwriters for the show were previously in-between animators at Kyoani, namely Maiko Nishioka and Miyuki Egami. They seem to have been promoted from in-between animation to scriptwriting; Nishioka had already scripted episodes of Nichijou, while Egami seems to have started writing in Hyouka. It's interesting to see Kyoani looking for writers even in the most unexpected places. |
2012-09-18, 13:55 | Link #126 |
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I'm glad i wasn't the only one thinking of Shinkai because that last scene definitely reminded me of his art in 5 Centimeters Per Second.
Not much to say that hasn't been already said. Thought it was a solid finale for what has been a great series.
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2012-09-18, 14:16 | Link #127 | |
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Here, it's a love story that deals with the past (the old attitude, the old wounds and fears Houtarou has to give up) and, much more importantly, the future. Because Eru isn't just Eru. She's also the heir to the Chitanda family, and her future is already set. If Houtarou wants her, he has to want all of her. And he's barely started getting acquainted with that aspect of her. Which intimidates the hell out of him, to boot. |
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2012-09-18, 16:20 | Link #129 |
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The sadness in Chitandas eyes as she exposed more of her world to Oreki I'd say is really most of all her fear, knowing of course how much different their lives and pasts are, and as such the fear she has that as she knows what kind of person she is and what life she's lead, that she was greatly afraid of how Oreki would understand how her life works. If even, at all, accept and want to be part of it.
It's obvious that she likes him, but she's afraid of how different she is from him, from most of everyone else, and she knows that this divide exists. Just like the two villages, she tries her best to bridge the gap, but she's afraid if OReki would be willing to meet her half way, or if he'd even be willing to be waiting at the other side of the river. Personally I don't think she needs to be afraid. Oreki's been bridging his part of this gap since day 1, whether he knew it at the time or not. Perhaps Chitanda knew this already, but she likewise felt the need to expose more of her life to him so that he knew exactly what he was getting himself into. But now he knows, and the end of the episode, his silence implied he was willing to continue bridging the gap in his own, Oreki-like way.
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2012-09-18, 16:49 | Link #131 |
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Still, given how much they've become close over that year and how she's willing to confide in him, I think she trusts him enough to know that he at least won't suddenly bolt away like a terrified animal. And knowing him he more likely won't.
I think.
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2012-09-18, 18:59 | Link #132 |
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We have had no sense of him having any ambitions inside or outside of the city he grew up in, so I don't think this is going to be an issue. Indeed, the only thinking we've seen him have regarding a career is the daydreamed confession to Chitanda, which I think speaks volumes.
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2012-09-18, 21:31 | Link #133 |
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I loved the animation, and Chitanda's lines (spoken and visual ) were as great as ever, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to take the extreme minority position and say no, I didn't care for this episode... What can I say? As I get older, I'm less and less tolerant of male lead roles in most anime.
In years past I never picked up on it, nor did it bother me, but these days I'm highly annoyed by internal dialog for things best spoken, indecisiveness that causes pain for others, or conflict avoidance when it's best to stand your ground regardless of your opponent's title/status. Yes, yes, I know much of it is probably cultural, but that doesn't stop me from yelling at my TV like a moron. Beta male leads that display all the testicular fortitude of a wet sandwich make my spine twist in knots. There are refreshing exceptions to the rule though... For example, Otonashi from Angel Beats was a man's man. He really pulled out the big guns at the end, and I admire that. |
2012-09-19, 01:14 | Link #135 | |
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And Houtarou always looks bored. What if he wants a different life, away from his old one? Sure, we know it's not the case. But I'm sure she's heard of plenty of kids who went to university in some big city and never came back, or only for holidays and such. |
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2012-09-19, 07:29 | Link #136 | |
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Let me take some cracks at this. I get most of the points, but as for these...
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2012-09-19, 11:44 | Link #138 |
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You know, it occurred to me that Houtarou being a businessman may make him one heck of a magnificent bastard. If his wheelings and dealings in school are any indication... A jerkass protagonist if you will. Even better if Irisu becomes a "friendly" competitor.
Irisu: "Don't take it personally. It's just business" Houtarou: "IRISUUUU!"
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2012-09-19, 12:36 | Link #140 |
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beautiful episode.
I just being killed by looking at Chitanda in this episode. and wonder Oreki got said it out loud? or just planning to said then stop by the "huh"? but one thing, it kind of look sad from Chitanda face when talking about her own future, and when she talking about her place to oreki, she look worry too, is that a indirect confession!? hope both of them can be together,. a beautiful ending but still sad to see it come to the end, no more Chitanda overall was a great anime, need more! ----- btw, so Im not the only one that certain screen remind me of 5cm
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